Simple answer would have been yes, you thought the Anderson deal was a positive for NO. All the rest is opinion.Originally Posted by da ThRONe
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Simple answer would have been yes, you thought the Anderson deal was a positive for NO. All the rest is opinion.
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Would anyone here be upset with Adelman for saying this if he were our coach?“We didn’t make plays,” Wolves coach Rick Adelman said. “I don’t know what you want me to tell you.”
Too many seem hung up on this season, let's big picture this thing. Honest question. Who actually thinks we will ever have a chance to win a championship with Monty on the bench? I for one do not believe so. If he is consistently out coached in regular season games..... lets not talk about a playoff series....
We have an attractive team for head coaches I believe. We have a lot of talented, YOUNG pieces. Do they all fit? that remains to be seen, but 1-7 have some real talent. Especially with AD. I think by himself he is enticing to coaches. AD is not being used properly, and unfortunately I believe you can see the frustration starting to settle in.
And what is with all this need to gel BS? What's so different about our starting five????? SG - same, SF - same, PF - same, C -same (smith). So we have UPGRADED our PG and because of this Monty gets a full year to gel? Well, let's not forget our new backup sg/sf. 2 new players in your top 7 and we need to gel? c'mon... this is simply an excuse. I would wager that AT LEAST 50% of all teams have 2 new players in their top 7 rotation almost every year. (pure guess so take it for what it is) This should not allow for mediocrity.
Monty Williams = Jim Haslett. Standing on the sidelines with a confused look on his face. Not knowing what to do, so doing nothing.
To address other issues. No, I do not believe firing Monty will make us better this year. Not at all. However, firing monty early gives us a better chance to get a coach we want, a coach we need. There are only 30 of these jobs available in the world. Coaches typically jump at whatever opportunity is available. If we are going to move from Monty it should be sooner rather than later. Show the available coaches we mean business. Let the players know that we are going to get them the support they need. Show us fans that "win now" is not just based on the roster moves we make, but management and administration as well.
Here is brass tax. We seem to be getting worse. We seem to be losing fighting spirit. Why is that? How many third quarter collapses will it take to realize that it is not 100% on the players. Yes players are on the court and players play the games. So what, their performance is based on the coaching and accountabiity they receive. If you go to a restaurant and get a burnt steak, does the manager say....."well the cook burned that steak, so what can i do about it?" THE MANAGER IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY SINGLE THING THAT HAPPENS UNDER THEIR WATCH. Get the issues fixed, or put someone else in charge who can.
it really is that simply. Monty does not need more time, he needs to go.
"After reading forums for job evaluation I came across a very apt post by a user named bongzilla that convinced me to fire Monty."
-Dell Demps
So if you think Monty has to go now then who is the significant upgrade that we should replace him with?
.......if healthy
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"Defensive minded Coach"
Pelicans are 28th in points allowed/possession. I didn't expect good D, but I didn't expect this.
— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) January 9, 2014
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Players need to be defensive minded too. If they're not playing Monty's defense will they play ANY coaches defense? Is Monty's 'defensive strategy', whatever it is, the hardest in the world or something?
And I'm really surprised no one has answered my above question. Going on 2 hours now.
The answer to your question is:
If the team was losing more than it was winning, people would be upset. If they were not, they probably wouldn't be.
For some, it all comes down to results.
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I like Miami's assistant David Fizdale.
I think we should demote Monty rather than fire him. I think he would be a great assistant he's just not a head coach. As Stephen A Smith would say "he's not a leader of men"
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But surely some here think Adelman is great, or at least better than Monty right? And yet that's the answer he gave for their lost last night. It happens. Sometimes more times than others, but it happens. He also said they talked about what they wanted to do but made 'mental mistakes'.
Me too, He would be a great assistant coach on this team. I like the way he draws up late game plays and players seem to like him. He just is horrible at rotations, has no defensive or offensive game plans, doesn't know how to use players to their strengths, and can't motivate players. I read a chart of every team and what type of plays we mostly run and it was 80% iso plays. I dont understand why we utilize the pick and roll more AD is a pick and roll nightmare for teams.
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Absolutely. I get that all of us do. But tell me how the defense gets worse from previous 2 seasons when we clearly have better talent this year? We have had injuries every year.
We could have drafted Kendall Marshall, MCW or even trey Burke and not been stuck with Jrue's massive contraft.
Or hire a decent coach which will probably be easier now.
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How much of that better talent is better DEFENSIVE talent? Is Steimsma better than Lopez defensively? Jrue is better than Vasquez defensively but has Tyreke ever been known for his defense? Eric used to be good defensively but he moves like an old man most of the times.
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Davis...greatly improved defense
Lopez...I don't think you could get worse as far as lateral movement goes
Jrue....leaps and bounds better on ball defender than Vasquez.
I think it is better, but I will be reasonable, let's say the talent coming in and going out washed out and it is equal. How does that explain the significant drop?
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But Lopez was better than Steimsma was he not? Where you got better defensively at one position, you got worse at another. The guard is supposed to be the first line of defense. Maybe the difference in defense between Jrue and Greivis isn't as big a difference as it is between Steimsma/Anderson/Smith and Lopez. Remember, Lopez played every game for us last year. He was the one and only constant in the 'starting lineup'. Jrue is better but Eric is pretty much the same. What he is out there now is just like when he wasn't playing at all. If an opposing player gets by your guard, he'll run into your frontcourt. AD is good but who is he playing with on a regular basis in the frontcourt to gain chemistry with? He's probably started alongside each of Anderson, Smith, Steamboat AND now Ajinca. If Monty's system is too hard then you either need better IQ players or a coach that can dumb it down to make it easier on the players you have in place. Will dumbing it down be enough to win games?
ETA: Didn't want to say as big a drop off. Meant to say as big a difference.
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Win games or lose games a coach that refuses to change any of his philosophies isn't one I want around, guess that is just my opinion. What is the worst that can happen? We can continue to be poor defensively and he loses his job? It isn't looking so good right now anyway.
At what point do we stop questioning the IQ of the players and start questioning the IQ of the coach? I'm honestly asking, let me know when that is so we are all on the same page.
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Why can't we question the IQ of them all?
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We certainly can! and I have no problem with that.
I'm just tried of seeing that the blame needs to go to the players and nothing on the coach. I'm not saying you just in general.
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I know you're not saying just me in general but you certainly can't say you're not seeing nothing going to the coach. The coach is the one that has the biggest blame thread on here. Oh look at us, we're adding to it. Haha.
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I guess outside of this thread.....
What you are saying basically means that coaching job is worth nothing.. I think a good coach would make this team better IMMEDIATELY!
Giving the proper time to install his philosopy I'd agree. However in the middle of a NBA season I don't think so.
Let me start off by saying Monty is not to blame for everything thats happened; we have had some critical injuries, and people have underperformed. That said Monty deserves criticism for the following:
1. Offensively as a coach, he has been godawful. Rarely do we see any creative plays run from our starting five, and we neglect our shooters when they are on the floor. Our offense relies mainly on our guards ability to penetrate and kick the ball out with very little variety in between. We don't move the ball around nearly enough which means our shooters arent getting space or our players are basically checked out of the game offensively (lack of touches). The only reason we manage to put up 100 a night averages is because of the wealth of talent we have available offensively. We are at our best when we just score the ball quickuly.
2. Game management: This is probably the most talked about flaw. Bad timeouts, bad substitutions, and lack of adjustments are very noticeable during the game. He is a young coach, but this is his biggest weakness imo. He is just too dang stubborn for his own good.
3. Defensively, I think Monty is asking too much out of our players. When it seemed like our rotations are getting better, we start getting killed inside. I for one was starting to be impressed, but we don't have the personnel to run this defense. Why he doesn't adapt to the situations is beyond me. He just isn't flexible strategy wise as a coach.
better management during the game could make this team WAY better. a smart coach could make an impact immediately IMO.
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