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Fans just need to sit back and breathe. Maybe hyperventilate a little of something bad happens
You know people will say that davis was just too good and so he naturally developed on his own, and monty didn't really have a hand in it...it's inevitableOriginally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
And some local fans just may want Dale Brown, or a Tim Floyd or even a Avery Johnson as their coach, just to feed their local tide mentality.
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One of the things with getting rid of him, is you lose the work he's going to do with Jrue Holiday and Evans. He made Vasquez from a project to a solid starter. Holiday and Evans are already fringe All-Star talents, what could he do in a full offseason working with them? Vasquez's first year was nothing special, but after Monty had a lot of games to observe, Vasquez suddenly had a floater among other lil' touches.
Monty's worth isn't really in-game, it's out of it.
Thought the same thing as I was typing it. If he is good under Monty, it is because he was good before Monty. But for some reason, if he was bad before Monty and is still bad here, that is Monty's fault.
Don't get that logic
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Davis would be really good with anyone as his coach.
Emeka Okafor - Joe Smith - Carmelo Anthony - Manu Ginobili - Jason Williams
Al Jefferson - James Posey - Aaron McKie - Shaun Livingston
I actually like the way they're playing...Forgive me for saying it...I'll take the slings and arrows...True, there are horrible quarters, and people forget how hyped up a player can become when facing his former team that didn't believe in him (Though he avg'd 3 ppg in 2 seasons). However, if the shoe were to fall, please leave GK where he sits...I'd take Jerry Sloan in a heartbeat. People can throw out that he had 2 HOF players on his Jazz team, but for me a great coach has a great system (See Nick Saban, Bill Belicheck, Sean Payton, Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, etc.) and it's my belief that Jerry's system made Malone, Stockton, Hornacek, into quality players. I don't believe Monty has had the time to develop his own "system" yet. So, give me a great coach with a great system...Jerry Sloan....Imagine Stockton to Malone as HOliday to Davis....
Davis really shouldn't have been in that late. That's my one big complaint.
Monty I have to question you. Why was Davis in the game that late? We are very lucky he did not get injured tonight.
Actually, most players do not get injured in most minutes. You expect him to not get injured. You are unlucky if he does.
That said, Monty must have thought the minutes worth the risk. Minutes are not just about winning and losing that game.
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Are we? His odds of getting hurt in those 4-5 minutes are just as good as him getting hurt in any other 4-5 minutes stretch. Bottom line, the odds arent very high. On every possession, there is a very small chance that a player will get injured, but people are fine with coaches playing guys when it is close because there is an apparent benefit - a chance at a win.
But I am of the camp that playing your starters in a blowout loss can have a long term benefit as good as, if not better than a single win. Let those guys feel the embarressment and own that loss.
Plenty of things that this coaching staff can be criticized for. I dont think leaving starters in during a blowout is one of those things. Very common practice amongst some of the greatest coaches of all-time.
So you are telling me you rather risk getting the starters getting injured in a blowout loss? Why put yourself in that position when you are already on the hot seat? Why not give the bench a chance at some minutes? Same scenario if it was a blowout win.
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Because being hurt when the game matters is much better than when you can use hindsight to argue someone shouldn't be out there at all.
So what it makes no difference in the end, in one case you can use it against Monty.
I think the explanation is in that paragraph. Again, you risk injury every time you put a player on the court. Wins are obviously worth the small risk, but people don't seem to think teaching moments are. Some of the greatest coaches, if not all of them, disagree. This is a very common practice. It is not an immediate dividend or even a measureable one long term, so people only see the risk of injury with no possible reward.
Again, most great coaches throughout history would disagree that there is no reward.
in my thought, it's not a big deal.
why put starters or core 5 on the court in a blowout loss??
b/c they dont play well while against top team in the league
so they need more time to play together
it's not for a win
it's for the future
Exactly. The problem is there with Monty and people will use anything to exaggerate it. I saw Tony Parker out there with 7 minutes left and the Spurs up by 25+. Is Pop an idiot too?
Again, there are problems with Monty but lets address those problems, not just actively look to find new ones. Again, this is a VERY common practice. One that Pop has done for years. Let's move on to the bigger issues if we are going to get this thread active after every loss, while leaving it dormant after wins.
Face it if Davis would have gotten hurt as the announcers made it seem like his was injured this forum would have went baserk. National media would have questioned Monty's judgement. Davis is the our all-star and the heart of the organization. I do agree every play is a risk as we have seen with Derrick Rose. Don't put him in unnecessary risk is all I'm saying. Sean Payton understand this at least. Taking Brees out of the Dallas game when we were blowing them out.
Do you want a coach who makes his decisions based off what this forum or writers will think? Man, I think that might be the one thing that would terrify me the most.
Again, you keep saying unneccessary risk. Maybe YOU think it is unneccessary, but a lot of coaches do not
And alot of coaches get fired because of that. Monty is on the hot seat well at least according to this forum.
Well, then Monty should throw away the logic of the great coaches of years past and go with the logic of Pelicans Report!
Can't be any worse than what you got now.
Again, there is a lot wrong now. Let's concentrate on that. Not on a decision that plenty of great coaches believe in that "might have" been bad, but wasn't.
Focus on the right stuff.
btw, has there been any word that davis is ok? has anyone from the media asked if he is ok?
i am very pessimistic when it comes to injuries with this franchise
i mean i am assuming he is ok..but at the same time, i won't be surprised if he is out tomorrow
Are you putting Monty in with the great coaches? Okay fine I'll give Monty another free pass. How many free passes have we given Monty anyway?
I think we might have a reading comprehension problem here, but I am done with this one. Feast on Monty's flesh if it makes people feel better. Easier than acknowledging that our max contract SG played beyond terrible. One problem, in theory, is easily fixed. The other is not. Makes sense for people to want to hope it is an easy solution.
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