Vasquez sets record for turnovers in a season

[AD23forMVP]

Greivis Vasquez is one of the most polarizing New Orleans Hornets on the 2012-13 roster. Vasquez has legions of fans who point to his league-leading assists numbers and the possibility of him winning the 2013 NBA Most Improved Player Award.

On the other hand, Vasquez's lack of speed has rendered Hornets' fast breaks almost nonexistent and he has struggled on defense against the NBA's better point guards. Greivis Vasquez has also had an exorbitant number of turnovers this season. In fact, on April 14, Vasquez set the Hornets' franchise record for turnovers in a single season with 247.

For a while, it looked like Greivis Vasquez would only tie this dubious turnover record for the Hornets. He was stuck on 246, in a tie with Baron Davis, for a couple of games and Vasquez even missed the previous game with an injury. It looked like he might even make it through Sunday's game without a turnover, but a late failed alley-oop attempt to Robin Lopez doomed Vasquez.

Now that Vasquez is the single-season turnover leader for New Orleans, a dose of perspective is necessary to assess the impact of this record. Much like an NFL quarterback who throws a lot of interceptions, Vasquez only holds this record because he is the Hornets' best ball handler. If New Orleans had a better option at point guard, Greivis Vasquez would never have had the opportunity to average over three turnovers per game.

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[WhoDatPelican]

Yep...He started on my fantasy team. I lost the turnover category every week BUT i always won Assist.....

[Inner_GI]

Non mobile link: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/greivis...0900--nba.html

[IamQuailman]

Yep...He started on my fantasy team. I lost the turnover category every week BUT i always won Assist.....

Between him, Steph Curry, and (shocker) Kobe, my assist category was like 2nd/3rd in the league

[AD23nEG10]

he's gotta go while some teams still see value in him

[Inner_GI]

I don't think this is that big of a deal. His defense is more of an issue. Like the article states, there are 6 players above him in turnovers, and all play for playoff teams. We either need better talent at PG or a lot better talent at the other positions.

[takezor]

How's it among the rest of the lg?

[Vinny6420]

IM fine with it

[Gumbo Jackson]

It would obviously be better if the number of turnovers were lower, but I agree that you need to look at the stat in context. It is a problem, but it isn't an "OMG, why is he even on the team?!?" type problem.

[ItsPaulyP]

It is a problem, but it isn't an "OMG, why is he even on the team?!?" type problem.

True. His defense however is another story. He's a backup PG.

[Kibner]

True. His defense however is another story. He's a backup PG.

A great backup PG or an average starter. :shrug:

[UNO Gracias]

I turned the ball over alot, but did you see who he passed for that record? Not Dan Dickau, not Jarret Jack, not Speedy Claxton, not Joe Blow, but he passed Baron Davis. The same Baron Davis that many thought was a top 5 pg in his prime. Not bad for a 1st year starter.

[jgman]

I turned the ball over alot, but did you see who he passed for that record? Not Dan Dickau, not Jarret Jack, not Speedy Claxton, not Joe Blow, but he passed Baron Davis. The same Baron Davis that many thought was a top 5 pg in his prime. Not bad for a 1st year starter.

I am confused as to what you are trying to say

[GESWhoseBack]

I turned the ball over alot, but did you see who he passed for that record? Not Dan Dickau, not Jarret Jack, not Speedy Claxton, not Joe Blow, but he passed Baron Davis. The same Baron Davis that many thought was a top 5 pg in his prime. Not bad for a 1st year starter.

It's true you have to play a lot and have the ball in your hands all the time to set this record but what bothered me was the type of turnovers he committed. This guy had to have gotten stripped at half court more than any guard in the league and those turnovers almost automatically lead to points.

[GESWhoseBack]

I am confused as to what you are trying to say

Change the I to he as in Vasquez. That's how I took it.

[UNO Gracias]

Yeah sorry, I meant he, not I (however that would fuel the "UNO Gracias is GV").

He played a lot, and he did a good job, and a less than equall bad job handling the ball.

[jgman]

It's true you have to play a lot and have the ball in your hands all the time to set this record but what bothered me was the type of turnovers he committed. This guy had to have gotten stripped at half court more than any guard in the league and those turnovers almost automatically lead to points.

I remember so many inbound plays where he cause a turnover for us, just simple things

[42]

So he passes more than most, plays more minutes more than most, and that results in turnovers.

So what?

Oh, they didn't tell you the real story. I see . . .

[UNO Gracias]

So he passes more than most, plays more minutes more than most, and that results in turnovers.

So what?

Oh, they didn't tell you the real story. I see . . .

Like they say, there are always 3 sides to a story, your side, my side, and the truth. An outsider Would give an entirely different opinion than what we hear on this board every day.

[42]

Who's the my here?

[GESWhoseBack]

So he passes more than most, plays more minutes more than most, and that results in turnovers.

So what?

Oh, they didn't tell you the real story. I see . . .

Ok let's put it this way, Lillard is a rookie who played more minutes than anyone in the league almost 500 more than GV and he had less turnovers than GV. Not saying GV bad but he can be upgraded on definitely.

[UNO Gracias]

Who's the my here?

Who's on 1st?

[GESWhoseBack]

Who's on 1st?

Why you asking me?

[42]

Ok let's put it this way, Lillard is a rookie who played more minutes than anyone in the league almost 500 more than GV and he had less turnovers than GV. Not saying GV bad but he can be upgraded on definitely.

Let's put it this way:

Lillard: 3166 minutes, 531 assists, 243 turnovers

Vasquez: 2685 minutes, 704 assists, 247 turnovers

So, GV has a turnover or assist every 2 minutes 49.4 seconds, with an AST/TO ratio of 2.85, AST%/TO% of 2.41

Lillard has a turnover or assist every 4 minutes 5.4 seconds, with an AST/TO ratio of 2.19, AST%/TO% of 1.99.

Lillard had a solid passing game, but Greivis' engaged in these very good or very bad passes (not all TO are passes, but let's assume these affected both players equally), far more often and at a jaw-dropping rate. The net result was a few more turnovers (4). Projecting his minutes out to equal Lillard's, GV would have gotten about 291 TO and 830 assists.

So pick all you want on those numbers, but tell the whole story.

[42]

Who's on 1st?

Naturally.