ROY: "The stats scream Davis over Lillard"

[cgrand]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...s-over-lillard

If we're talking about which player delivered the most useful work to his team this season, there is no case for Lillard over Davis.

love the new digs!

[Snarly]

Awful article.

[nolaslim213]

Awful article.

Agreed. He is using PER to justify why Davis is better than Lillard, which is true, but he is only scratching the surface. Davis trumps Lillard in TS%, eFG%, STL%, TO%, ORtg, DRtg, and has a way better WS/48. That isn't even to mention that Lillard is one of the worst starting PGs in the league in terms of AST%, and Davis is one of the best bigs in the league in term of BLK%, and he also has a very good TRB% of 16.9.

Then you have to factor in that Lillard is 3 years older, was more physically ready for the NBA when he came in, and he was also playing next to an All Star. I don't even see how this is a discussion.

[BallSoHard]

[QUOTE=nolaslim213;1067577]

Then you have to factor in that Lillard is 3 years older, was more physically ready for the NBA when he came in,
This is not a factor in rookie of the year. I think the race is closer than you give it credit for but I still think Davis is the better player now an in the future.

[nolaslim213]

This is not a factor in rookie of the year. I think the race is closer than you give it credit for but I still think Davis is the better player now an in the future.

Well, it's subjective IMO. I wouldn't say it's a factor of rookie of the year, but it certainly plays a role in the notion that Davis has a MUCH higher ceiling. More so, it's a testament to how well Davis is doing his rookie year despite his severe physical limitations.

[BallSoHard]

Well, it's subjective IMO. I wouldn't say it's a factor of rookie of the year, but it certainly plays a role in the notion that Davis has a MUCH higher ceiling. More so, it's a testament to how well Davis is doing his rookie year despite his severe physical limitations.

Agreed there. It makes Davis rookie year that much more impressive.

[Inner_GI]

This article sucks.

It first, discounts PER as a measuring stick, then uses PER to explain why Davis is better. He leaves out a majority of statistics. This was just bad.

[kidjock24]

The article I think was a way to show that not only is Davis better, but he is waaaaaay above and beyond Lillard using the only metric that has been universally used throughout the statistics world. AND that tool doesn't measure where Davis best trait shows up on the basketball court; defense. And that if there was a tool that included both Offense and Defense, then the gulf between Davis and Lillard would increase.

[Snarly]

The article I think was a way to show that not only is Davis better, but he is waaaaaay above and beyond Lillard using the only metric that has been universally used throughout the statistics world. AND that tool doesn't measure where Davis best trait shows up on the basketball court; defense. And that if there was a tool that included both Offense and Defense, then the gulf between Davis and Lillard would increase.

He could have easily made the case but he didn't.

[MeSoHornets504]

The article I think was a way to show that not only is Davis better, but he is waaaaaay above and beyond Lillard using the only metric that has been universally used throughout the statistics world. AND that tool doesn't measure where Davis best trait shows up on the basketball court; defense. And that if there was a tool that included both Offense and Defense, then the gulf between Davis and Lillard would increase.

Win shares?

[Pelicans78]

Agreed. He is using PER to justify why Davis is better than Lillard, which is true, but he is only scratching the surface. Davis trumps Lillard in TS%, eFG%, STL%, TO%, ORtg, DRtg, and has a way better WS/48. That isn't even to mention that Lillard is one of the worst starting PGs in the league in terms of AST%, and Davis is one of the best bigs in the league in term of BLK%, and he also has a very good TRB% of 16.9.

Then you have to factor in that Lillard is 3 years older, was more physically ready for the NBA when he came in, and he was also playing next to an All Star. I don't even see how this is a discussion.

Case closed

[NOLa.]

This article sucks.

It first, discounts PER as a measuring stick, then uses PER to explain why Davis is better. He leaves out a majority of statistics. This was just bad.

Gotta love some of these writers.

[kidjock24]

He's a Trailblazers fan. That's why he wrote it that way.

[FlyGirl]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...13-rookie-year

Lillard will get it but I'm not sure it will be as 'unanimous' as some would have thought. That is, if these ESPN people truly has a vote.

[RaisingTheBar]

Davis got only 3 out of 30 votes in that article.

[FlyGirl]

Davis got only 3 out of 30 votes in that article.

Right. But that only means that if those 3 ESPN writers really have votes for ROY, then that all but says Lillard's ROY won't be unanimous. Who was the last rookie to win ROY unanimously?

[BallSoHard]

Blake Griffin?

[IamQuailman]

HunnyB is that you?

[FlyGirl]

HunnyB is that you?

Yup. It's me.

[NOLa.]

Edit: nvm it is the real HunnyB. I gotta get use to your new name.

[FlyGirl]

Blake Griffin?

Yep. And he was the first unanimous ROY in 21 years.

[Snarly]

Yep. And he was the first unanimous ROY in 21 years.

In his second year.

[Inner_GI]

I was like, who is this FlyGirl... then the post count, oh wow...

All makes sense now. haha

[FlyGirl]

Edit: nvm it is the real HunnyB. I gotta get use to your new name.

I fixed it.

[NOLa.]

Haha perfect.