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Lol he is going to rock the NBA.
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ROY imoOriginally Posted by wuggie
I'm not singling you out, because a lot of people have said this, but I never understood this logic. 2 things:
1) So because our SG is 6'3, we need a big PG? How does that help? It's not like Gordon is going to guard the opposing PG and vice versa. Our PG will be guarding their PG, and our SG will be guarding their SG. Don't forget that Gordon is one of the strongest SGs in the league, and he has a 6'7 wingspan. He has never had any trouble guarding opposing SGs, so the point is irrelevant IMO.
2) For me, it's more about complementary skill sets than complimentary body sizes. I don't know where people get this notion that Gordon is a ball dominant guard. He isn't. Vasquez is. Gordon can play with out the ball, he spaces the floor, and he is great on the break. He is probably better on the ball, sure, but that doesn't mean he is a ball dominant guard. Moreover, Burke is a great shooter off the ball, so I don't know how he can be labeled a ball dominant guard as well. Sure, he handles the rock a lot, but that's because he is a PG. He is also great on the break, in transition, he can hit the 3, and he has great vision. They compliment each other perfectly in terms of skill set.
Smart, on the other hand, is a horrible pairing with Gordon because he can't shoot a lick, he is a ball dominant guard, and the spacing would be horrible. Burke is the opposite. He is a floor spacer who can take pressure off Gordon by running the offense, but he is a great passer who can drive and dish to Gordon, and Burke can also lead the break which would let Gordon run along side of him and finish at the rim.
Olandipo is and will be role player. There is no need to invest such a high pick for that. Burke is the way to go.
Define role player.
While I largely agree with you, I would respond to your number 1 by stating yes size does matter. We see it over and over in the playoffs, the most successful teams are those that can play solid half court offense. And when in this slow tempo offense you either have phenomenal ball movement. Or capitalize on mismatches by making defenders switch then taking advantage. It doesn't always work out to a pg guarding a pg or sg a sg. Even further you want guards that rebound well - we already know Gordon does not.
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You could call the Spurs a team filled with role players. Seems to work well for them. Hell, how often does a "role player" wind up winning the game for you?
Burke or Oladipo, either one works if both are available. But I doubt that'll happen unless we vault two spots or more in the lotto.
Good counterpoints. Size does matter, but to what extent? If you have a 6'0 PG and a 6'4 PG with the same exact skillsets, then you would surely go with the bigger guard. However, that isn't the case between Burke and Smart. Burke is proven and he carried a very young team to the championship. His game is way more advanced than Smart's is, and he is only a year older. It's the same argument that occurred between Deron Williams and CP. Now, I'm not trying to turn this into a Trey Burke = CP3 argument. That's not the point. The point is that I'd take a smaller guy who is more skilled and a better basketball player than the bigger guy who has more potential just because he is bigger.
Even though both Gordon and Burke are high usage players and do dominant the ball, they can still play off of each other. I'm not concerned about the height either.
The question is whether Gordon will be here long-term or not. If not, I would draft Smart and Oladipo over Burke because they are better talents overall and will fill a need. If however Gordon is around, then you have to draft guys who will fit long-term and Burke fits that bill since he can start at the point and we can still use Rivers as a combo guard and he has enough size to compensate the other two guards.
Basically, our needs are a SF, point guard, and a big center who can defend and rebound.
Emeka Okafor - Joe Smith - Carmelo Anthony - Manu Ginobili - Jason Williams
Al Jefferson - James Posey - Aaron McKie - Shaun Livingston
Smart is almost two years younger than both Oladipo and Burke.
He's about a year and a half younger than Burke, but only 1 season younger. I guess I'm just not as high on Smart as other are. I like that he fills up the stat sheet, I love his defense, but I'm not sure he can run a team. He is TO prone, and he makes a lot of passes that are off the mark. His shot is dreadful, and I'm afraid his game is based on bullying people around, and I'm not sure he does that in the NBA - especially if he is playing SG.
Completely agree with this. But instead of taking Siva or Curry, I'd try to trade the pick to Miami for LeBron and then wait the rest of the year and flip Lopez for the first pick and take Wiggins.
He's more of a SG than PG in my opinion. I don't see him being a full-time point guard. But his freshmen season was much better than Burke's, at least looking at the advanced metrics so I think he has more overall ability as a player especially with his size, athleticism, and defense. I would definitely rather have Burke run a team at the point.
I don't mean to be facetious at all and I feel like I have to state that bc tone can't be stated on here; but I'm a bit shocked you like Burke over Smart considering you've been the catalyst of the Eric Gordon is a going to blow it up next year campaign (hope you're right).
The reason I say this as a prelude is because is if Eric Gordon turns into what he was, his usage goes up and somewhat nullifies what Burke does best which is control the offense. With that being said, that's why I would think Smarts a better fit since he does so many other things, and if his defense translates to the NBA you can give Gordon a rest on defense since he's the catalyst to our offense. Which again is why size would matter IMO.
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Like quite a few people say here on the board, shooting can be and should be improved as a young player's career progresses. Burke has range and proved it during the tournament a few times behind the line like 5 feet away (ridiculous), but Smart is a tough vocal leader and has been one of his strengths since he was in high school. Always a leader and came in as a true freshman and took control of a fairly untalented team(besides Nash who is VERY inconsistent) from Day 1.
You made my day with this lol. Id take Smart for his defensive abilities, but i doubt we have a chance for him. Im really starting to hate this draft bc there is no obvious pick. Im going to assume we grab Burke Bazz or possibly Porter with the 5th pick (if thats where we end up).
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Burke, Porter, Oladipo in that order. Maybe Shabazz. Count me in the group that has Burke a class above Smart as far as running a team as a lead guard.
At the least I hope whoever it is can come in and help off the bench first.
I have Porter above Burke.
Well if we luck up and get #1 again won't have to worry about none of this mess. Nerlens it is.
Wouldn't surprise me if Anthony Bennett ends up being the best player in the draft. Like Unibrow last season, he has the best advanced metrics when compared to the same age as the other top prospects.
Edit: Bennett is a year older than I thought he was.
Last edited by Pelicans78; 04-15-2013 at 07:58 PM.
I really dislike Bennett's mentality defensively. His defense is atrocious.
SOMEBODY FIND MR. LOTTERY BALL!!!! LAST TIME I CHECKED HE STILL LIVES AT THE BUS STATION! HURRY- BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!Well if we luck up and get #1 again won't have to worry about none of this mess. Nerlens it is.
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