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I once not so directly asked if this team is just a drafted rookie here a signed free agent there, plus some more experience and strength for our #1 pick away from truly contending or not and don't recall much response there and if we should keep our ears open for making a move. People like Vasquez, get attached, and don't wanna lose what things he brings. But we really do need more.
Currently I say you are spot on. Another good draft pick, a solid fa pickup (maybe Jennings) and you can move Vasquez. That team would be a top 4 team in the west next year, and battle the Thunder for a top spot in 2 years.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
I agree with everything except for Gordon as a closer. I think he is a great closer right now, and I think he will only get better as he gets older. I think most people forget that he just turned 24 only a month ago. You have to give him time as he has shown flashes of brilliance so far in his young career as a closer, and he should grow into an elite one in the next few years.Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
Just because it's relevant, not all "elite" closers get the job done night in and night out. Did you happen to catch the OKC game tonight MM? Down by 2, Durant missed a FT with 37 seconds left, then he turned the ball over with 17 seconds left, and they lost the game.
Durant has proven on way more occasions that he can be looked at as a closer, though. Gordon not so much. The sample size of his play is getting larger and people can judge him off of more than 9 games in a season. Either he is still rusty or he just doesn't have "it". I really don't care what the excuse is, but I know I don't want 4-5 turnovers (most late game) from my max contract player. That ish better come to a halt.
Just a question that I've been thinking about more lately:
What's more important to you,
We win a championship, or we establish New Orleans basketball as part of the culture through consistent success?
I understand we should strive for championships, but what's more important? What if we got hot at the right time in 2008 and won the title, but then still had all the injuries that followed? Is that better than what Utah, Portland, or Orlando have been able to do?
Of course he has, but he still loses games. That's my point. Gordon has won way more games for us than he has lost. Give Gordon another couple of years, and he'll be elite.
You have to establish a culture, and with the right group of guys, that should yield at least one good championship run. The Spurs are the ideal small market franchise. I think we have a similar base, but our cap room allows us to get even better. I would hope for the same 10-15 year span of success they have had, along with a few championships of course.
Every loss is somehow Vasquez's fault... smh
Our young team got worked by a VETERAN team. This Spurs team has played under Pop so long that him missing 1 game won't throw off their game when you have the likes of Manu and Parker leading the team.
What about Robin Lopez getting straight up dominated by Tiago Splitter in the first half? That's probably a worse storyline than Tony Parker beating Vasquez. Tony Parker can turn it on against even the elite PGs. I remember CP getting beat by Parker plenty of times.
there are always various reasons for coming up short on winnable games and most of them apply to the players performance....however, unless this coaching staff begins doing a better job of managing the use of personnel, we are going to continue struggling for goodly portions of games....I just don't get our rotations and matchups sometimes....
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I'd say you're wrong and it also has nothing to do with this team. The Hornets right now are borderline playoff. Not garbage. Gordon has closed enough games in his short stint here to warrant him being elite at doing it. He has all the tools to score or assist no matter what the defense does in response. Even still, those great at it wont close every game like Michael Jordan. Even Michael had his fair share of closing clunkers all throughout his career.
We're also talking about a 24 year old who is just getting started and not near full strength yet. Scored 17 efficient points all in one half. You putting that under those other players? He only played 29 minutes whereas all those other players get 40+ on a regular basis. I think it's high time Monty starts increasing those minutes and stop letting doctors treat him like a baby.
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So the game he posted on cp3.....u guys discount that game how?? Like to hear this one
You're mistaken about that. Kamen was very outspoken.
I haven't been pro Gordon as the future is concerned, but I agree 100%. Way too soon to say that he can't do it. Especially considering what he's done already and the fact he's never seen the post season(which might actually help Michael's point).
One of the reasons that I felt strongly about passing on Gordon when it was time to re-up was the fact that we didn't know if he was the big time player his talent had flashed.
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Not a loss to be ashamed of guys. Got worked by a vet team and TP always kills us
On to today
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Vasquez and Aminu weren't bad at all last night, especially Aminu. They played solid games. Davis and Gordon didn't perform much in the 4th and Gordon had 5 turnovers. Robin Lopez was useless last night and Anderson was quiet in the 4th as well. Also, no way Gordon could guard Parker. He would get abused. Aminu is the best defender. If anything, his length would bother Parker but obviously Monty wouldn't think of doing that.
Honestly, even though Gordon has had an impact on the players around him, he hasn't played well at all since coming back. Hopefully as time goes along, his knee will feel better and the rust will be shaken off.
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That guys kills more than just usNot a loss to be ashamed of guys. Got worked by a vet team and TP always kills us
On to today
Our rotations were slow all night and that's why splitter killed us all night. Parker to a cutting wide open splitter was getting old.
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Tony Parker is supposed to be 6'2"?
Well, I saw at least 2 out of 3 turnovers happened in crunch time, leading to two easy fast break baskets. I think they were also possessions for Gordon trying to drive to the basket. He had chances to take over. It simply didn't work.
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Sure in high heels
Upset about the game/coaching as well, also think people are a little hard on Gordon. If a player closed games out every single night he would not be human. He has won way more game for us in his short time here than he's lost. IMO Gordon is an elite sg when 100% healthy and I hope he can stay healthy long enough to show the non believers that. I think we can definitely win a championship with him as the centerpiece. Time to put this game to rest, erase it from memory and on to Pelican Day.
Seems like a stretch to me. But then again, is CP3 really 6'? He seems shorter than that to me. Kinda think listing PGs as taller than they actually are is fairly common. Much like listing 7-footers below their actual height is prevalent.
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Vasquez has closed some games too. Probably more so than Gordon over the past 3-4 weeks. He's hit some clutch shots at pivotal times.
If Gordon gets to the level of Kobe, Pierce, Wade, Durant, etc. I would be thrilled but again, if we weren't Hornets (or Pelicans) fans, would we give him that benefit of the doubt? Of course he CAN get there- theoretically anybody can- but isn't the much greater likelihood that he is not going to reach that level?
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