So the Lakers got Luka for Anthony Davis?!

[Nichols]

Sure, I suppose if you don't have the internet and don't talk to people, a lot think it was a reasonable trade.

The way you reason is odd boss lol.. So your anecdotal data, has more value than anyone elses anecdotal data that doesn't agree with you.

We can agree to disagree and leave it there. Bottomline is actual NBA talent have said AD is a top 5 or 10 player when he's on. Dispute that all you'd like.

[donato]

The way you reason is odd boss lol.. So your anecdotal data, has more value than anyone elses anecdotal data that doesn't agree with you.

We can agree to disagree and leave it there. Bottomline is actual NBA talent have said AD is a top 5 or 10 player when he's on. Dispute that all you'd like.

You're obviously smarter than the 95% of analysts that say you are hilariously wrong, so keep doing what you're doing. It reminds me of the guy that posted here that swore Andre Drummond was going to be more successful than Anthony Davis. In no logical universe do you trade a 25 year old Luka for a 31 year old AD and almost no additional compensation. It's a joke. It's pretty simple: LAL trade grade A+ ; DAL trade grade F-

[Nichols]

You're obviously smarter than the 95% of analysts that say you are hilariously wrong, so keep doing what you're doing. It reminds me of the guy that posted here that swore Andre Drummond was going to be more successful than Anthony Davis. In no logical universe do you trade a 25 year old Luka for a 31 year old AD and almost no additional compensation. It's a joke. It's pretty simple: LAL trade grade A+ ; DAL trade grade F-

You either don't comprehend well.. or you're accustomed to adding more to what's communicated. In other words, an expert at building strawmen.

[donato]

You either don't comprehend well.. or you're accustomed to adding more to what's communicated. In other words, and expert at building strawmen.

Enjoy your island.

[P_B_&_G]

You either don't comprehend well.. or you're accustomed to adding more to what's communicated. In other words, and expert at building strawmen.

Most of what I'm seeing thinks the trade is lopsided as well. I do see many who don't think so but they are also all Lakers fans.

[pr1840]

If you’re looking for an explanation … Nichols is a Lakers fan. Just don’t understand why he’s spending all this time and effort trying to justify his position. Just enjoy that your team got Luka for the aging player nicknamed “Street Clothes” and move on.

[Nichols]

Most of what I'm seeing thinks the trade is lopsided as well. I do see many who don't think so but they are also all Lakers fans.

I've seen multiple NBA players saying the Mavs should have gotten the other first round pick.

I will say again, they weren't getting the other franchise players in the league. AD is better than any other package you could put together outside of that. I don't want 2 or 3 players that aren't as good as him.

Lastly doato seems to be the type that adds more to what you've said, and then constructs counter arguments based on positions he's created on his own. I only have two points. There is no conspiracy, I've proven that. The trade also isn't lopsided, even though reasonable minds can disagree on that matter.

[Nichols]

If you’re looking for an explanation … Nichols is a Lakers fan. Just don’t understand why he’s spending all this time and effort trying to justify his position. Just enjoy that your team got Luka for the aging player nicknamed “Street Clothes” and move on.

I'm having a conversation with other members. Does that bother you? Is that not what this forum is for? Think about what you're saying.

[donato]

I'm having a conversation with other members. Does that bother you? Is that not what this forum is for? Think about what you're saying.

Time to take the L and move on.

[Nichols]

Time to take the L and move on.

Don't be a child.. What L am I or anyone else supposed to be taking? I'm not a party to the trade, neither are you. Agree to disagree and move on. Don't start being ignorant.

[JJackisangry]

Conspiracy or not, the trade does not make sense to me. Sports betting is way too prominent in all sports these days to rule out the possibility. But would the league sanction something this crazy just to raise ratings or something along those lines? Idk. I do suspect foul play. It's a pure shock value trade that doesn't add up.

[Blattman]

Maybe try not to be emotional.. and work with facts. Mavs called the Lakers with the offer. They also called two other teams prior. I don't do propaganda, nor do I engage in irrational takes.

Are you not the same person who in another thread argued that lakers have to pay more in trade than other teams ? Clearly an objective fan with no irrational take.

[Nichols]

Are you not the same person who in another thread argued that lakers have to pay more in trade than other teams ? Clearly an objective fan with no irrational take.

Everything I've stated can be substantiated. Yes, Lakers have been known to have to pay more. Or not get a deal. It's called the Lakers tax. Look it up. Does that mean it happens on every single deal? No.

[Blattman]

Everything I've stated can be substantiated. Yes, Lakers have been known to have to pay more. Or not get a deal. It's called the Lakers tax. Look it up. Does that mean it happens on every single deal? No.

I looked it up by googling it and except Reddit threads I found one quote from Buha referencing it in 2023 (reporter affiliated to the Lakers).

So as long as you can provide reliable sources (so non-lakers) or a data analysis proving its existence, your point is not substantiated and reflects more of imaginary victimization.

[ml wave]

Enjoy your island.

No, no, it's not an island. Kendrick Perkins also believes the Mavs won the trade. Lol

[Darkhorse985]

No, no, it's not an island. Kendrick Perkins also believes the Mavs won the trade. Lol

When you hitch your wagon to someone mentally challenged like Kendrick Perkins, be prepared to crash.

[P_B_&_G]

So, I asked Grok on X. I asked, "Is the Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis trade fair?"

"The Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis trade has sparked considerable debate regarding its fairness, primarily due to the disparity in player value, age, and the return Dallas received. Here's an analysis based on available information:

Arguments for Fairness:

Immediate Impact for Dallas: Some might argue that the trade could provide immediate help for the Dallas Mavericks. Anthony Davis, despite his age and injury history, is a talented big man who could complement Kyrie Irving effectively if both stay healthy. Davis's defensive capabilities and inside scoring could potentially bolster the Mavericks' roster for a championship push in the short term.

Conditioning and Defensive Concerns: There were whispers about concerns over Doncic's conditioning and defensive effort, which might have influenced Dallas's decision. The Mavericks might have believed that Davis's defensive prowess could outweigh Doncic's offensive talents in terms of team strategy.

Salary Cap Considerations: By trading Doncic, who was eligible for a supermax extension, Dallas avoided committing to a very large contract. This could be seen as a strategic move to manage future salary cap space, although it's debatable whether this justifies trading away a player of Doncic's caliber.

Arguments Against Fairness:

Player Value Disparity: Luka Doncic, at 25, is widely regarded as one of the top players in the NBA, with his offensive skills, playmaking, and overall impact on the game. Anthony Davis, while an elite player, is nearing 32 and has a notable injury history. The trade of a young, MVP-caliber player for an older one with health concerns is seen by many as heavily favoring the Lakers.

Return for Dallas: The return for Dallas—Anthony Davis, Max Christie, and a 2029 first-round pick—has been criticized as insufficient for a player of Doncic's stature. Many analysts and fans believe that Doncic should have commanded a much more significant trade package, including multiple high-value assets.

Lack of Market Exploration: Reports suggest that the Mavericks did not widely shop Doncic, potentially missing out on better offers. This aspect has led to accusations that the trade was not handled with the strategic depth one would expect for such a pivotal move.

Public and Expert Reaction: The immediate reaction from NBA executives, players, and fans has largely been one of shock and disbelief at the trade's terms. Many have labeled it as one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history, with sentiments on social media and from sports analysts suggesting that the Lakers significantly "won" the trade.

Conclusion:

From the information available, the consensus leans heavily towards the trade being unfair in favor of the Los Angeles Lakers. The disparity in player age, injury history, and the lack of substantial assets returning to Dallas for such a high-value player like Doncic make it difficult to argue for its fairness. However, in the world of sports trades, outcomes can sometimes defy initial perceptions. The success or fairness of this trade could be better evaluated over the next few seasons, depending on performance, health, and team dynamics."

I guess we will really have to wait and see over the next few years if the trade was lop-sided but I would think when AD is retired in another 3-5 years and Luka is still killing it at 28-30 we will have a more clear answer.

[Darkhorse985]

So, I asked Grok on X. I asked, "Is the Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis trade fair?"

"The Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis trade has sparked considerable debate regarding its fairness, primarily due to the disparity in player value, age, and the return Dallas received. Here's an analysis based on available information:

Arguments for Fairness:

Immediate Impact for Dallas: Some might argue that the trade could provide immediate help for the Dallas Mavericks. Anthony Davis, despite his age and injury history, is a talented big man who could complement Kyrie Irving effectively if both stay healthy. Davis's defensive capabilities and inside scoring could potentially bolster the Mavericks' roster for a championship push in the short term.

Conditioning and Defensive Concerns: There were whispers about concerns over Doncic's conditioning and defensive effort, which might have influenced Dallas's decision. The Mavericks might have believed that Davis's defensive prowess could outweigh Doncic's offensive talents in terms of team strategy.

Salary Cap Considerations: By trading Doncic, who was eligible for a supermax extension, Dallas avoided committing to a very large contract. This could be seen as a strategic move to manage future salary cap space, although it's debatable whether this justifies trading away a player of Doncic's caliber.

Arguments Against Fairness:

Player Value Disparity: Luka Doncic, at 25, is widely regarded as one of the top players in the NBA, with his offensive skills, playmaking, and overall impact on the game. Anthony Davis, while an elite player, is nearing 32 and has a notable injury history. The trade of a young, MVP-caliber player for an older one with health concerns is seen by many as heavily favoring the Lakers.

Return for Dallas: The return for Dallas—Anthony Davis, Max Christie, and a 2029 first-round pick—has been criticized as insufficient for a player of Doncic's stature. Many analysts and fans believe that Doncic should have commanded a much more significant trade package, including multiple high-value assets.

Lack of Market Exploration: Reports suggest that the Mavericks did not widely shop Doncic, potentially missing out on better offers. This aspect has led to accusations that the trade was not handled with the strategic depth one would expect for such a pivotal move.

Public and Expert Reaction: The immediate reaction from NBA executives, players, and fans has largely been one of shock and disbelief at the trade's terms. Many have labeled it as one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history, with sentiments on social media and from sports analysts suggesting that the Lakers significantly "won" the trade.

Conclusion:

From the information available, the consensus leans heavily towards the trade being unfair in favor of the Los Angeles Lakers. The disparity in player age, injury history, and the lack of substantial assets returning to Dallas for such a high-value player like Doncic make it difficult to argue for its fairness. However, in the world of sports trades, outcomes can sometimes defy initial perceptions. The success or fairness of this trade could be better evaluated over the next few seasons, depending on performance, health, and team dynamics."

I guess we will really have to wait and see over the next few years if the trade was lop-sided but I would think when AD is retired in another 3-5 years and Luka is still killing it at 28-30 we will have a more clear answer.

Nice post.

[Nichols]

So, I asked Grok on X. I asked, "Is the Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis trade fair?"

"The Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis trade has sparked considerable debate regarding its fairness, primarily due to the disparity in player value, age, and the return Dallas received. Here's an analysis based on available information:

Arguments for Fairness:

Immediate Impact for Dallas: Some might argue that the trade could provide immediate help for the Dallas Mavericks. Anthony Davis, despite his age and injury history, is a talented big man who could complement Kyrie Irving effectively if both stay healthy. Davis's defensive capabilities and inside scoring could potentially bolster the Mavericks' roster for a championship push in the short term.

Conditioning and Defensive Concerns: There were whispers about concerns over Doncic's conditioning and defensive effort, which might have influenced Dallas's decision. The Mavericks might have believed that Davis's defensive prowess could outweigh Doncic's offensive talents in terms of team strategy.

Salary Cap Considerations: By trading Doncic, who was eligible for a supermax extension, Dallas avoided committing to a very large contract. This could be seen as a strategic move to manage future salary cap space, although it's debatable whether this justifies trading away a player of Doncic's caliber.

Arguments Against Fairness:

Player Value Disparity: Luka Doncic, at 25, is widely regarded as one of the top players in the NBA, with his offensive skills, playmaking, and overall impact on the game. Anthony Davis, while an elite player, is nearing 32 and has a notable injury history. The trade of a young, MVP-caliber player for an older one with health concerns is seen by many as heavily favoring the Lakers.

Return for Dallas: The return for Dallas—Anthony Davis, Max Christie, and a 2029 first-round pick—has been criticized as insufficient for a player of Doncic's stature. Many analysts and fans believe that Doncic should have commanded a much more significant trade package, including multiple high-value assets.

Lack of Market Exploration: Reports suggest that the Mavericks did not widely shop Doncic, potentially missing out on better offers. This aspect has led to accusations that the trade was not handled with the strategic depth one would expect for such a pivotal move.

Public and Expert Reaction: The immediate reaction from NBA executives, players, and fans has largely been one of shock and disbelief at the trade's terms. Many have labeled it as one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history, with sentiments on social media and from sports analysts suggesting that the Lakers significantly "won" the trade.

Conclusion:

From the information available, the consensus leans heavily towards the trade being unfair in favor of the Los Angeles Lakers. The disparity in player age, injury history, and the lack of substantial assets returning to Dallas for such a high-value player like Doncic make it difficult to argue for its fairness. However, in the world of sports trades, outcomes can sometimes defy initial perceptions. The success or fairness of this trade could be better evaluated over the next few seasons, depending on performance, health, and team dynamics."

I guess we will really have to wait and see over the next few years if the trade was lop-sided but I would think when AD is retired in another 3-5 years and Luka is still killing it at 28-30 we will have a more clear answer.

Concise and detailed post. Thank you.

[Nichols]

No, no, it's not an island. Kendrick Perkins also believes the Mavs won the trade. Lol

I never said Mavs won.

[Nichols]

I looked it up by googling it and except Reddit threads I found one quote from Buha referencing it in 2023 (reporter affiliated to the Lakers).

So as long as you can provide reliable sources (so non-lakers) or a data analysis proving its existence, your point is not substantiated and reflects more of imaginary victimization.

Yes it has been substantiated that the Mavs reached out to others first. Which dispells a conspiracy. AD is one of the best players in the league, no disputing that either.

[Darkhorse985]

Yes it has been substantiated that the Mavs reached out to others first. Which dispells a conspiracy. AD is one of the best players in the league, no disputing that either.

Where was this confirmed and what were the teams and offers? It’s BS news reporting in a poor attempt to cover up how much the Lakers really fleeced the Mavs. This probably came from Windhorst in the short periods of time he isn’t living in LeBron’s **********.

[P_B_&_G]

I can't figure out how to embed the tweet from my phone but there's more to this.

"Executives around the NBA are reportedly “furious” that the Lakers were the only team allowed to bid for Luka Dončić, per @espn_macmahon

“Executives from around the league were both furious and jealous that the glitzy, star-driven Lakers had been the only team given an opportunity to bid for Doncic's services.”

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/...f0p1Nh9Ng&s=19

[Nichols]

I can't figure out how to embed the tweet from my phone but there's more to this.

"Executives around the NBA are reportedly “furious” that the Lakers were the only team allowed to bid for Luka Dončić, per @espn_macmahon

“Executives from around the league were both furious and jealous that the glitzy, star-driven Lakers had been the only team given an opportunity to bid for Doncic's services.”

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/...f0p1Nh9Ng&s=19

I was incorrect. It was 2 teams, one of which were the Lakers. After being rejected by the first team they settled with the Lakers. A simple Google search will show multiple sources for this.

[P_B_&_G]

I was incorrect. It was 2 teams, one of which were the Lakers. After being rejected by the first team they settled with the Lakers. A simple Google search will show multiple sources for this.

Did they name the other team? I bet it was Milwaukee lol

You honestly don't think it's strange that they wouldn't open the bidding to every team to see who could put together the best package? Or at least every team with a star they might want to swap?