It is not getting any better. Shams says Zion not coming back anytime soon. Perhaps we should move Zion , Extend Ingram, and lose every single game now as the new game plan ?
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Tanking, Extending Ingram, Getting rid of Zion, now the game plan?
It is not getting any better. Shams says Zion not coming back anytime soon. Perhaps we should move Zion , Extend Ingram, and lose every single game now as the new game plan ?
Do you trade Zion for anything or just cut him?Originally Posted by 13 - 3
Well we are not getting much if he is just sitting on the bench daydreaming.
I’ m trying the Zion trade on the trade machines. It is is almost impossible to have a two team trade unless a team is willing to give up its starting lineup. We going to need like 4 teams or more to get a Zion trade to work.
Do y'all remember how much Greg Oden got traded for?
Remember what Anthony Davis(Miraculously healed after trade)got traded for?
Interesting 3 team trade proposal? What do you think?
Bulls get
SF Brandon Ingram
SG CJ McCullum
SF: Javonte Green
PF: Karlo Matkovic
Rockets get
PF Zion Williamson
C Daniel Theis
Pels get
SG Zach Lavine
PG Lonzo Ball (expiring)
SF Chris Duarte (expiring)
PF Jabari Smith Jr.
SF/PF Amen Thompson
C Steven Adams (expiring)
Rockets 2025 1st
Suns 2027 1st via Rockets
Rockets 2028 1st
Kings 2025 2nd via Bulls
Kings 2028 2nd via Bulls
Pels tank with this lineup but also set up for a reset next year?.
PG: Murray/Alvarado/Ball
SG: Lavine/Hawkins/Boston/Reeves
SF: Murphy/Jones/Duarte
PF: Smith/Thompson/JRE
C: Missi/Adams/Jemison (2way)
Last edited by Darkhorse985; 11-30-2024 at 10:08 AM.
A bunch of expiring contracts? Ball and Adams back?
I guess you didn’t see Lavine, Jabari smith, Amen Thompson, 3 1sts, and the ability to reset the team? Are you in the camp that thinks we can get Giannis for Zion? You think BI and CJ are worth more? I believe there are very few trades that won’t require losing assets to trade CJ. Lavine is pretty equal to BI and Chicago is about as stuck in the mud as we are. BI and CJ for Lavine and expiring contracts is a good deal for them.
Last edited by Darkhorse985; 11-30-2024 at 09:59 AM.
I’d be on board.
Obvious question here, why would Houston do this? Trades need to make sense on both ends and I don't see Houston doing this at all. I also don't see the Bulls doing this either. What exactly are they getting other than CJ? BI can walk and if those other deals are expiring so is his deal. So they are trading a bunch of future assets and Levine for CJ?
Last edited by P_B_&_G; 11-30-2024 at 01:46 PM.
Houston: The team doesn’t have a star and there are enough other players and depth pieces to let Zion shine when healthy and continue to compete when not. A healthy Zion surrounded by a good team and coaching can contend. Zion is still a top 20 player when healthy. Houston has done what the Pelicans failed to do.
Bulls: The Bulls have been in a worse position than the Pelicans the last 3 years. They are replacing Lavine with 2 players in the same tier without sacrificing any other significant assets in the deal. That is a win. They can extend BI. Ball and Duarte have no value besides being expiring contracts.
A deal like this wouldn’t happen until closer to the trade deadline when all involved players have proven they aren’t still injured and can be available for the after all star break stretch.
Last edited by Darkhorse985; 11-30-2024 at 02:36 PM.
All of the picks come from Houston? I'm not current on which team has pick rights. I still don't think the Bulls would go for this. If I was their GM I wouldn't. Too much risk there and all they are guaranteed is an aging CJ since BI can walk. I actually think they can get a better deal for Lavine if he's healthy.
Also, assuming all these guys are healthy and playing well I think Griff would stick with Zion at least though this year.
Yes, Houston has the 1sts mentioned above to trade. What if BI agrees to sign with the Bulls?
It would look a lot more logical if they could sign him long term. In any case we are then looking for that star again and would be a borderline play in team with crap draft picks.
What has made Zion a star so far? Missi has already done more than him.
So we would be what we have been for the last 3 years but with draft picks and flexibility?
Imagine if we drafted Garland or Morant over Zion.
What really sucks is we could have had Zion and Garland. Or anyone and Garland. But I won't pretend Zion wasn't everyone's first choice as a consensus 1st pick. At the time he was as good a choice as you could make. The Garland debacle makes me frustrated though.
I get what you are saying. We do have a bit of young talent on the roster. We could always just let BI walk as an expiring or trade him for whatever. We could also cut Zion with no cap hit. There would be plenty of flexibility there. I'm not sure anyone will be willing to give up all those picks for what we have at this point. Unless he's healthy, and then if he's healthy I think Griff hangs on to him.
Last edited by P_B_&_G; 12-01-2024 at 11:16 AM.
Not that he is. But he still has the potential and is the guy you build around. Once he's gone you are looking for that guy again.
I will say that Griff has made a lot of mistakes in hindsight but I feel like this is by far the most talented team this franchise has ever had on paper. Too bad they just can't get on the floor and show it.
I'm ready to build around Herb, Murray, Missi, Trey and the young guys on the team. Everyone else can go. I love BI but he isn't worth a max with the current rules.
Time for BI to go ASAP.
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