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  1. #1476
    Whatever they choose I don't want it to linger in "decision hell". Make the decision and get er done lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN View Post
    If Pels really willing to go to $180 million, I am a bit surprised that he has not accepted that IF he truly wants to stay in NOLA. I know it is easy for me to say, but is it that far off when clearly no other team is willing to take on a max deal? Playing out the contract is a huge risk on his part given potential for injury or diluted touches with the players on the roster currently (ask Boogie).
    Cousins situation was exactly what came to my mind as well. He turned down significant guaranteed money and called it a "chess" move, but that gamble completely backfired.

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    With everything going on with Ingram and his contract situation, we still have to sign TM3 to a contact, with the addition of JM5 and the the roster is as of today what if Trey decline the extension because he doesn't want to play a backup role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevemadden504 View Post
    With everything going on with Ingram and his contract situation, we still have to sign TM3 to a contact, with the addition of JM5 and the the roster is as of today what if Trey decline the extension because he doesn't want to play a backup role.
    That first contract... the team has all the leverage. He can decline it, but if another team offers him a deal Pels can match, and he'll have to come back anyway.

    We have a log jam at the wing, which isn't that bad of a thing, but either or both Herb and TM3 will be coming off the bench if BI doesn't get traded. You have a first team all nba defender that can knock down 3s, and you have an uber-athletic sniper. The bench would be ridiculous tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DroopyDawg View Post
    That first contract... the team has all the leverage. He can decline it, but if another team offers him a deal Pels can match, and he'll have to come back anyway.

    We have a log jam at the wing, which isn't that bad of a thing, but either or both Herb and TM3 will be coming off the bench if BI doesn't get traded. You have a first team all nba defender that can knock down 3s, and you have an uber-athletic sniper. The bench would be ridiculous tho.
    If BI isn’t traded CJ is going to have to be OK with coming off the bench at 33 years old. I’m sorry but Herb is too important to the team defensively to not start the game vs. other teams’ best players. This is why I feel that a BI trade has to happen. Otherwise we’re risking the development of Herb/Trey IMO. Those guys need starter minutes and should be playing at EOG.

    If I had to pick one or the other to trade I would pick CJ, but at his current contract I don’t think he’s moveable so not even entertaining that option. If no trade is made I honestly think the bench will be too good, like almost wasted. We essentially would just have a logjam of guys who can be inserted into the starting lineup when select player(s) eventually get injured and are out for extended periods of time. Having one guy like that is awesome, but potentially 2-3 could be an issue especially if those are younger guys who aren’t done growing (their games not physically).

  6. #1481
    Here is a better variation of the Cavs/Magic/Pels trade idea

    Magic get
    PG Darius Garland

    Cavs get
    SF Brandon Ingram
    PG Cole Anthony
    C Wendell Carter Jr.

    Pels get
    C Jarret Allen
    PG Anthony Black
    PF Georges Niang
    Last edited by Darkhorse985; 07-11-2024 at 01:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar View Post
    If BI isn’t traded CJ is going to have to be OK with coming off the bench at 33 years old. I’m sorry but Herb is too important to the team defensively to not start the game vs. other teams’ best players. This is why I feel that a BI trade has to happen. Otherwise we’re risking the development of Herb/Trey IMO. Those guys need starter minutes and should be playing at EOG.

    If I had to pick one or the other to trade I would pick CJ, but at his current contract I don’t think he’s moveable so not even entertaining that option. If no trade is made I honestly think the bench will be too good, like almost wasted. We essentially would just have a logjam of guys who can be inserted into the starting lineup when select player(s) eventually get injured and are out for extended periods of time. Having one guy like that is awesome, but potentially 2-3 could be an issue especially if those are younger guys who aren’t done growing (their games not physically).
    I hear ya, its inconceivable to think someone would choose CJ as the starter at that juncture. Even if Ingram is not here, I can't fathom why someone would start him over
    T Murphy and Herb jones. On tup of that CJ is an ideal 6th man, he could be our version of "the Microwave" . But from everything i read it sounds like its a foregone conclusion that he will in fact start. this boggles my mind

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    Kessler is capable of making 3s? Didn't know it


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    Quote Originally Posted by DroopyDawg View Post
    Kessler is capable of making 3s? Didn't know it

    I'm sold, Ingram for Walker + Collins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkhorse985 View Post
    Here is a better variation of the Cavs/Magic/Pels trade idea

    Magic get
    PG Darius Garland

    Cavs get
    SF Brandon Ingram
    PG Cole Anthony
    C Wendell Carter Jr.

    Pels get
    C Jarret Allen
    PG Anthony Black
    PF Georges Niang
    I wouldn’t hate it, but 3 team trades of this magnitude rarely happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DroopyDawg View Post
    Kessler is capable of making 3s? Didn't know it

    He's not really. He has made 5 in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DroopyDawg View Post
    That first contract... the team has all the leverage. He can decline it, but if another team offers him a deal Pels can match, and he'll have to come back anyway.
    And then when another team inevitably offers him the $25m a year he wants, because he's worth that and in the current league context that's practically cheap for a guy of his skill-set, you have to pay him the deal anyway except now he also has a good reason to dislike you. Not only have you spent 4 years with him chained to the bench, but now you won't even let him go get his opportunity elsewhere.
    Basketball.

  13. #1488
    Newest Stein Line continues what we already knew: BI and his agent are still pushing for the max. Pels don't want to give him it but are looking around to league to see if there's anyone else who would, and the answer appears to be no. Nobody wants to pay BI that contract.

  14. #1489
    It will take a while to sink in. Maybe a long while. He'll blame the team for tanking his value. He'll blame his agent. He'll fume about other "lesser" players getting max extensions. But eventually acceptance will arrive. Perhaps that will allow him to sign a shorter extension for less than the max with the idea that he can "rehabilitate" his value next year. The question then becomes how does he try to do that. Correct answer: Shoot and make a lot more 3-pointers and defend at a high level. Possible answer: Hero ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by new city champ View Post
    It will take a while to sink in. Maybe a long while. He'll blame the team for tanking his value. He'll blame his agent. He'll fume about other "lesser" players getting max extensions. But eventually acceptance will arrive. Perhaps that will allow him to sign a shorter extension for less than the max with the idea that he can "rehabilitate" his value next year. The question then becomes how does he try to do that. Correct answer: Shoot and make a lot more 3-pointers and defend at a high level. Possible answer: Hero ball.
    Spot on post..

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    Shamit on locked on Cavs discussing a possible Pels/Cavs trade for BI.


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    Update. Perhaps if true we need to give Grif credit


  18. #1493
    So basically all the offers have been crap. Can’t move him keep him. Perhaps better in long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13 - 3 View Post
    So basically all the offers have been crap. Can’t move him keep him. Perhaps better in long run.
    if we can end up getting Ingram for around 40 mil a year, that would be a great outcome for the Pelicans.

  20. #1495
    I’m guessing CJ stays too.

  21. #1496
    As usual, we get an ultra hard bracket for the IST this coming season.



  22. #1497
    Ingram’ s camp gonna give it a try now. Marc Stein is as credible as it gets

    https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/b...ing-to-pay-max

    Ingram’s management team is working with the Pelicans to find Ingram a new home, Marc Stein reported in his latest newsletter at Substack.
    The Pelicans want to trade him partly because they don’t want to pay him on his next contract — a max would be four years, $208 million — but other teams feel the same way.
    However, teams don’t want to give him $50+ million a year, or 30% of their cap space. In a second apron tax world, teams are going to be more careful about who gets a max contract, and if there are questions about how much a player contributes to winning or if there is an injury history — both things that apply to Ingram — teams are hesitant.
    Last edited by 13 - 3; 07-12-2024 at 09:23 PM.

  23. #1498
    Can’t trade Ingram for a bag of chips.

  24. #1499
    Quote Originally Posted by 13 - 3 View Post
    Ingram’ s camp gonna give it a try now. Marc Stein is as credible as it gets

    https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/b...ing-to-pay-max
    Ingram will have to check his ego. Let him play into the season with a PG and show what type of player he is. He still won’t be worth a max, but he can still answer a lot of questions to prove that he is a $40-$45 million a year player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkhorse985 View Post
    Ingram will have to check his ego. Let him play into the season with a PG and show what type of player he is. He still won’t be worth a max, but he can still answer a lot of questions to prove that he is a $40-$45 million a year player.
    Agreed..

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