Reply With QuoteWhich is why I said that if there's a can't-say-no haul, then you take the criticism. But why invite it for a subpar return? That's what I was saying.Originally Posted by donato
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I would hope we could make a bigger package and pry Shaedon Sharpe. Portland wants to win now, so...
Adjusting that trade to something like this:
Last edited by donato; 06-20-2023 at 12:00 PM.
Which is why I said that if there's a can't-say-no haul, then you take the criticism. But why invite it for a subpar return? That's what I was saying.
Basketball.
I will yet again reiterate my belief that we'll probably keep both Zion and Ingram this summer and any major moves that happen will be pick based, probably involving JV as cash may be needed, and will probably involve us trying to awkward thread the needle between youth movement and contention, because that is the Griff special.
https://twitter.com/blazers_palace/s...RY1NhkbE5NzbOg
I have no clue how to embed tweets. Someone help me out pleaseCJ McCollum on the Ryan Russilo podcast:
— Blazers Palace (@blazers_palace) June 19, 2023
"Zi and I just worked out the other day, and that boy is as motivated as I?ve seen him. He already looks leaner." pic.twitter.com/evv8ZfLMd6
You click the three dots in the top right of the tweet, which gives a drop down menu. Select 'embed tweet'. It then takes you to a page with a link you copy - paste that link in to embed it.
Windhorst: ''Zion has no relationship with the team, no relationship with his teammates.''
CJ: ''It's the offseason and me and Zion are working out together, he looks great''
Zion: constantly doing youth events at the Pels facility in the offseason
I'm not trying to act like Zion is best friends with everyone employed by the Pels, that's just not likely at all - and who would expect it? - but he clearly has at least a reasonable relationship with some teammates and parts of the FO.
Yeah. That definitely doesn't sound like no relationship.
My take on backlash if something did happen, from how things have played out over the past few years and with this side boo drama, my wager is we would be seen as the victims and Zion would get most of the negativity UNLESS he has some dirt on the FO that he unloads.
Last edited by msusousaphone; 06-20-2023 at 02:04 PM.
Good positive energy.
But also, yo mama's fat.
ESPN Sources: As expected, Washington Wizards forward Kyle Kuzma has declined his $13 million player option and become a free agent. Kuzma will be one of the marketplace’s most prominent players. A return to Washington on a new deal remains a possibility.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 20, 2023
Center Damian Jones has exercised his $2.58 million player option to return to the Utah Jazz next season, sources tell ESPN.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 20, 2023
Kevin Garnett: "First off, Zion [Williamson] is a generational talent... Motherf**kers was patient with [Joel] Embiid and Giannis."
— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) June 20, 2023
Paul Pierce: "I don't really agree that he's a generational talent."
KG: "You're f**king crazy." ��
(via @shobasketball)pic.twitter.com/tdJ3WCrtfe
I see it as highly unlikely that the Pels come out looking the victim.
All Zion has to do is say ''I rehabbed in Portland instead of New Orleans because they hired a completely incompetent training staff - who they have since fired because he's clashed with me, Gentry, SVG, and Ingram - and I had zero trust in them to help me through another injury. My rookie year I got injured and they kept me out an extra 6 weeks trying to re-teach me to walk when I was ready to play. How could I have any faith in that garbage fire of a front office?''
And then the media storm is ''New Orleans is a poorly run franchise, with a spending averse owner, in a terrible arena, who has had two consecutive number one picks fumbled, run by Griffin who has fumbled #1 picks before elsewhere, and now they're trying to throw the blame on to the 22 year old when these problems pre-date him and will continue after he's gone.''
New Orleans is already a team they hate. You think that they're going to give the franchise the benefit of the doubt over Zion? When his ''side boo drama'' is no different from what most of the league already does? Bogut was in the media saying as much the other day. Bogut's coming out to say it's not unusual, KG is now in the media telling the franchise to calm down because he's a young man who makes mistakes, and you're saying the media is going to cast us as the victim when they already want us moved from the city? Come on, now.
Buying high and selling low is just bad business. If Z and BI can play 65 games each we're probably in the WCF
The Los Angeles Clippers have reportedly left rival teams with the impression that they are gauging Paul George's trade value, per @TheSteinLine �� pic.twitter.com/KSwsM43CUE
— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) June 21, 2023
Philadelphia 76ers center Montrezl Harrell is declining his $2.7 million player option for the 2023-24 season and will become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport.
— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) June 21, 2023
Denver Nuggets G/F Bruce Brown Jr. is declining his $6.8 million player option for the 2023-24 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Brown, a key member of the Nuggets title, faces decision of Denver return in free agency versus deal elsewhere.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 21, 2023
Zion is generational, but the Pels have several factors to consider. If Zion gets another bad injury, they have his salary and a guy who not many would trade for at that point. This is a serious roll of the dice. He could also figure out his body and reach his ceiling.
The Pels have the leverage with Portland. It is much more in their interest to acquire Zion in order to make Dame happy, than the Pels trading Zion for Scoot. It’s just the smoke they are trying to cover this up with is non sense. The Pels are in the driver seat right now. I don’t care what any media pawn decides to lie about. Blazers want Zion more than Pels want Scoot.
I know this has been said a million times but it somehow keeps not influencing the discussion.
Zion's contract is set up with a bunch of non-guaranteed money in it that relies on both him hitting weight/body fat %age numbers, and games played. If Zion is injured severely enough going forward (this is the first year of the new contract) to legitimately impact winning, his money owed drops precipitously to the point where, if it's truly apparent that he will never be healthy, he could even conceivably be just cut without that much salary drama.
This is why it's not a serious roll of the dice. If you keep Zion, and he plays, you have an MVP talent. If you keep Zion and he never gets it together you can cut him for basically nothing. If you trade him while his value is low and then he plays, you just gave up an MVP level talent for crumbs. It's very little risk, very high reward to keep him.
The Nuggets are trading the least favorable of its 2024 first-round picks in deal to move into the first-round and early second in Thursday's NBA Draft, per sources. https://t.co/fV40LZCrgk
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 21, 2023
“From what I’m hearing… Scoot would like to be in New Orleans”
— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) June 21, 2023
- @ChrisBHaynes
(Via @RipCityRadio620 ) pic.twitter.com/8LfDqldlS4
Yes please!!!
New Orleans wants Scoot.
Scoot wants New Orleans.
Griff, make the deal.
Sources: Wizards, Celtics and Clippers are in strong talks on a trade that would send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston, Marcus Morris and draft compensation to Washington and Malcolm Brogdon to Los Angeles. Sides are still working through details and Porzingis’ $36M player option.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 21, 2023
We need a big man and a point guard. Get Scoot and add a shot blocker big. I don?t want to trade Zion unless we know he?s not going to change. We could regret it so bad. Gotta keep that in mind.
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As far as I'm concerned, the only reason you move Zion is if you're convinced his injury problems will never come around.
But surely, you'd want your new training staff/people to make that evaluation, and we haven't even hired them yet (at least not publicly). So it's hard to imagine a move there unless someone just offers the world for him, imo.
ESPN Sources: The Celtics are working on a trade to acquire the Wizards’ Kristaps Porzingis in a three-team deal that sends Malcolm Brogdon to Clippers. LA would be sending Marcus Morris, Amir Coffey and 30th pick to Washington. Sides still have more work to do on an agreement.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 21, 2023
A little more info on this move
Clippers make out like bandits.
pays to be opportunistic i guess.
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