I'm hoping for a big Scoot trade also just for the excitement really.
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I'm hoping for a big Scoot trade also just for the excitement really.
I know there's a lot of connection between the Pels and Lively in recent mocks and stuff, and if the Pels really do want that archetype of big I would much rather they call up Washington and see if they can get Gafford while the fire sale is on.
Maybe see if CP3 is gettable while we're at it
Basketball.
i like gafford
So now we have people comparing Boston trading Marcus Smart to trading Ingram? On what planet?
Boston trading Smart would be the loose equivalent of the Pelicans trading Herb. And that would be after Herb has spent 9 years in a Pels uniform with no titles to show for it. Pretty damn conservative if you ask me.
Now a real roster upheaval resetting shake up would be Boston trading Jaylen Brown. They have that decision to make. But are they? No. They are going to pay that man $40 mil.
*sigh*
Come on draft get here already.
No, we have people comparing Boston trading Smart - publicly touted by Boston as the heart and soul of their team as recently as 13 hours before he got traded - to those people who say we can't trade any given player for culture reasons.Originally Posted by luckyman
Any other reasons can be debated, but the ''he's the heart of the team'' argument, which has been used about a number of players, is just a bunk one.
The player itself isn't the point being made, it's the ''he's the culture!'' argument and it's invalidity.
Actually, my sense is a major reason for wanting Scoot is for the culture change he could bring. Think Pels are a happy bunch overall, but I've heard from a couple of folks who know people in the organization that they've become concerned that the team and its stars don't have a 'championship' mindset, which I take to mean not enough mean, not gritty enough to grind through the playoffs and so on. They think Scoot embodies that kind of mindset...
Chris Haynes thinks Damian Lillard is considering his future with seriousness for the first time
— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) June 22, 2023
“I think this year is probably the most serious approach [Damian Lillard] is probably taking to ultimately decided what he’s going to do.”
(Via @SiriusXMNBA ) pic.twitter.com/SXBk6F9a38
Lillard 11 seasons in
''Huh, maybe this team really isn't going to win a championship''
cp3 to golden state for jordan poole and ryan rollins
washington has taken poole contract off of GS books so i hope we do go after gafford....ill be good with him and jonas..
Just something to consider… The Pelicans are an even less successful franchise than the Trailblazers.
Yeah, which is why I am strongly against ''running it back''.
Portland ''ran it back'' with the same top guys for a decade and won absolutely nothing. We've won even less but some people act like going in for a legitimate re-tool is sacrilege.
Imagine what Portland might have done if they shipped CJ off 6 years ago and actually used that asset haul to build a real team around Lillard? Now he may well be out of the door after a decade of treading water.
Full details of trade:
ESPN Sources: The Washington Wizards are finalizing a deal to send Chris Paul to the Golden State Warriors for a package that includes Jordan Poole and future draft assets. pic.twitter.com/kpNkhqFicp
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 22, 2023
Beal, Isaiah Todd and Jordan Goodwin to the Suns for Chris Paul and Landry Shamet. Suns are sending cash too, per sources.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) June 22, 2023
You're really going to compare the success of a franchise that's been around 53 years with one that just finished season 21? To put that in perspective, Saints have been around for 57 years, one title, 14 playoff appearances, and won 9 division titles. Compare that to the Saints after their first 21 seasons: 0 titles, 0 playoff appearances, 0 division titles, ONE winning season.
So get back to me in another 30 years and we can compare the Blazers and the Pelicans' success.
Chris Paul to GS is weird. He plays the complete opposite style they like to play.
Poor Jordan Poole getting tossed before Draymond.
Mike Dunleavy says he plans to have Jordan Poole around for "four more years, at least."
— Marc J. Spears (@MarcJSpears) June 19, 2023
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Golden State is getting older and Draymond is gone. They'll slow down just enough to make it work. Will it win a ring?
This is supposed to be entertainment. I think I'm in the same spot. I can argue the basketball side of keeping the group together and the basketball side for making a trade. The entertainment value, at least in the offseason, is much higher if they make a trade!
Entertain me, NBA/Pelicans!!
We have to keep the vibe going.
BI, Zion, and CJ had a net rating of +3 when on the court together. BI and Zion had a +13.4, BI and CJ had a +13.2, Zion and CJ was just +5.4.
BI and Zion worked. BI and CJ worked. It was CJ and Zion and all three together that didn't work.
Sources: Pelicans received a meeting in recent days with Scoot Henderson. New Orleans has pursued a top 2-3 pick in the Draft but both Charlotte and Portland are so far expressing no interest in moving pick.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 22, 2023
More coming on @Stadium NBA Draft Live show: https://t.co/Z8rZKX2Rl3
Point number 1, it does matter. If a team makes a move and gets worse because of it, them making that move is not evidence that we should do something similar.
Point number 2, never happened, nobody said Hart was untouchable. Ingram is untouchable because he is that good, not just because of the culture. But culture is very important and the Pelicans were lucky to turn things around in that department. Ours is not so deeply ingrained that we can be careless about it.
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Yes they did. You may not have seen it, doesn't mean it never happened - on here, on twitter, on reddit, etc.
Damian Lillard has not had any recent communication with the Portland Trail Blazers involving the draft, free agency or his future, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport.
— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) June 23, 2023
Pelicans Summer League schedule:
— Christian Clark (@cclark_13) June 23, 2023
July 7: New Orleans vs. Minnesota, 3:30 p.m.
July 9: New Orleans vs. Golden State, 9 p.m.
July 11: New Orleans vs. Phoenix, 7 p.m.
July 13: Charlotte vs. New Orleans, 6:30 p.m.
Former Boston Celtics assistant coach Aaron Miles has agreed to principle to take a similar job with the New Orleans Pelicans, sources told @andscape. Miles and Pelicans head coach Willie Green worked together with the Golden State Warriors.
— Marc J. Spears (@MarcJSpears) June 23, 2023
I think Golden State got much better and fixed their culture problem by replacing Poole with Paul. CP3 might get his ring after all.
They also had an excellent draft with guys who can probably play day 1.
Meanwhile, Utah had a great draft so their rebuild is going okay.
Mavs getting Holmes and adding a great fit in Lively fixes some of their issues with rim protection and rebounding.
West keeps getting tougher.
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