Trade thread for all the insane trades y?all got

[Taker597]

Beal?

Realistic isn't what I think of Beal.

[KoMikaera]

JJ reddick for Dinwiddie and TLC ?

Read this JJ/iDinwiddie idea somewhere.

JJ wants to go to Brooklyn. If he gets his shot back in Nets system would seem to be a good fit, could help them win now. Dinwiddie out for the season.

We would get the possibility of a decent point guard next year if Dinwiddie rehabs ok. Plus a cheap bench piece in TLC with length and can shoot ok.

[HornetGuru]

You mustn't agree that his defense is historically awe-inspiring!!!

I thought I was only agreeing with you.

HMMM

I know that, I was complimenting you of course

[As I See It]

I know that, I was complimenting you of course

I'm sorry, pal: I misunderstood!! LOL

[AusPel]

I'd rather LaVine over Beal, but I don't see how we get him without giving up Ingram

What about, LaVine and Williams for Ingram

Nah, still dreemin

[Pelicanidae]

I had heard he had butted heads somewhat with Trae Young, but I really like John Collins the basketball player.....

He was annoyed that Young was basically a chucker and that he very rarely got any actual time with the ball early this season. While I do think it was unprofessional for him to say that openly, I also can't say he was wrong: last season he was averaging about 15 shots a game, and over the first 12 games of this season he was averaging 11 while Trae (who was taking nearly 21 shots a game last year) was still taking about 18, and whose on-ball usage had actually increased somewhat.

That's changed a bit over the last dozen games or so (Collins is up to about 14 shots a game now, I think) but yeah, unprofessional but understandable.

He is rumored to be on the block for not-as-much-as-people-might-think and he's actually not been quite as bad on defense as he has been in previous years. Still far from a star, of course, but he's only 23 and the improvement is encouraging. Obviously he shoots, which is something a lot of people want from a Zion partner: 38% on 3.4 a game this year, 40% on 3.6 a game last year: 85.4% and 80% from the line in those years also.

[Taker597]

I'd rather LaVine over Beal, but I don't see how we get him without giving up Ingram

What about, LaVine and Williams for Ingram

Nah, still dreemin

Lavine is the shooter you want with Zion, but Ingram if he continues to improve and fill out that frame(unlikely at this point). Ingram and Zion in their prime just seem to complement each other better to get you a chip. We got plenty of picks to really get Lavine without giving out Ingram , but nothing I've seen of him wanting out. Adding a 20 FGA player really gonna disrupt offensive touches.

Kira, Lavine, Ingram, Zion, Adams, Hart.

Still need a bench and a hot minute away from being a real contender.

[Pelicanidae]

Lavine is the shooter you want with Zion, but Ingram if he continues to improve and fill out that frame(unlikely at this point). Ingram and Zion in their prime just seem to complement each other better to get you a chip. We got plenty of picks to really get Lavine without giving out Ingram , but nothing I've seen of him wanting out. Adding a 20 FGA player really gonna disrupt offensive touches.

Kira, Lavine, Ingram, Zion, Adams, Hart.

Still need a bench and a hot minute away from being a real contender.

I think one of the things that is encouraging about Lavine, were you to acquire him, is that he's not the kind of guy who needs to be on ball. Like, yes, he's taking 20 shots a game and being lead ballhandler for Chicago now because who else do they have, really?

But in terms of off-ball game, he's shooting about 48% on C&S 3s, which make up about 52% of his 3pt volume, so it's not entirely self-created pullups (he's at 41.1% on those), and he actually averages fewer touches per game than Lonzo Ball, Coby White, Ja Morant, Colin Sexton, Devonte' Graham, et cetera. Of course, he takes more shots than those guys so his usage rate is comparatively high, but he's actually been pretty outstanding in off-ball actions this year.

In fact, if you look at what you might call ''off-ball'' offensive actions and where he ranks in terms of volume and efficiency, this is what you get:

Cuts: 4.4% of his offense, 1.58 points per possession, 97th percentile.
Off-screen: 5.3% of his offense, 1.25 ppp, 86th percentile.
Spot-ups: 11.2% of his offense, 1.3ppp, 92nd percentile
Hand-offs: 6.9% of his offense, 1.14ppp, 80th percentile
Putbacks: 2% of offense, 1.07ppp, 39th percentile.

So about 30% of his offense comes off-ball already, and he's generally really effective in those positions. The question is whether you think he could maintain most of that efficiency on increased volume: so, if he's coming off screens and cutting 20% of the time instead of a combined 9.7% of the time, is he still an 85th %ile guy or more? I think probably, though I don't buy that ''lower volume, higher efficiency'' thing people often talk about - that usually isn't the case, actually.

None of this, by the way, is me trying to claim he's not ball dominant in Chicago. He obviously is. It's just that there are signs there that he has the skills to play in a more off-ball role as well, and it's not like he'd never get ballhandler minutes here. Of course he would.

[JunkHead]

I'm late to the party maybe, but I saw that DeMarcus Cousins is on the move. Anyone think he might consider coming back here now that we have basically a whole new organization? Or is that bridge too far burned? Admittedly he'd be a big help. (But obviously he's going to go to a contender. We all know this.)

[Pelicanidae]

I'm late to the party maybe, but I saw that DeMarcus Cousins is on the move. Anyone think he might consider coming back here now that we have basically a whole new organization? Or is that bridge too far burned? Admittedly he'd be a big help. (But obviously he's going to go to a contender. We all know this.)

I say this in the absolute nicest way possible

Have you seen him play this year?

[Fedupfan]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/s...581785089?s=20

Porzingis for Bledsoe and Redick? Who says no?

[AusPel]

Realistic isn't what I think of Beal.

Bealistic?

[Pelicanidae]

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/s...581785089?s=20

Porzingis for Bledsoe and Redick? Who says no?

In terms of play, Porzingis would be a clear fit and is the right age and whatnot.

In reality, he's extremely injury prone, on a mammoth contract, and has a plethora of off-court issues including but not limited to getting into bar fights in Latvia and his (I think) still under investigation rape allegations.

[HornetGuru]

Sad part is didn’t Chicago just give up a lot to get Lavine? I get the wizards dealing Beal because it’s his last year but what is Chicago’s incentive unless we blow them away with a deal?

[Pelicanidae]

Sad part is didn’t Chicago just give up a lot to get Lavine? I get the wizards dealing Beal because it’s his last year but what is Chicago’s incentive unless we blow them away with a deal?

They don't really have one. He's under contract going forward for a reasonable amount of money, he's young enough to fit their rebuild, and he's great. Hence why if you want him, you're paying through the nose.

[ramsters60]

Sad part is didn’t Chicago just give up a lot to get Lavine? I get the wizards dealing Beal because it’s his last year but what is Chicago’s incentive unless we blow them away with a deal?

I am pretty sure that is the only way....

[pelafanatic]

Sad part is didn’t Chicago just give up a lot to get Lavine? I get the wizards dealing Beal because it’s his last year but what is Chicago’s incentive unless we blow them away with a deal?

I know there was internal frustration over Lavine's lack of development as a defender, but, at a certain point, elite offense outweighs poor defense. I'd say 29 a game on 52/43/86 exceeds that point. Sustainability is now the major question. He's shooting 42% on 5 pull up 3s per game, and 48% on 3 catch and shoot 3s. Those numbers are basically identical to Steph Curry's MVP seasons.

[Taker597]

I think one of the things that is encouraging about Lavine, were you to acquire him, is that he's not the kind of guy who needs to be on ball. Like, yes, he's taking 20 shots a game and being lead ballhandler for Chicago now because who else do they have, really?

But in terms of off-ball game, he's shooting about 48% on C&S 3s, which make up about 52% of his 3pt volume, so it's not entirely self-created pullups (he's at 41.1% on those), and he actually averages fewer touches per game than Lonzo Ball, Coby White, Ja Morant, Colin Sexton, Devonte' Graham, et cetera. Of course, he takes more shots than those guys so his usage rate is comparatively high, but he's actually been pretty outstanding in off-ball actions this year.

In fact, if you look at what you might call ''off-ball'' offensive actions and where he ranks in terms of volume and efficiency, this is what you get:

Cuts: 4.4% of his offense, 1.58 points per possession, 97th percentile.
Off-screen: 5.3% of his offense, 1.25 ppp, 86th percentile.
Spot-ups: 11.2% of his offense, 1.3ppp, 92nd percentile
Hand-offs: 6.9% of his offense, 1.14ppp, 80th percentile
Putbacks: 2% of offense, 1.07ppp, 39th percentile.

So about 30% of his offense comes off-ball already, and he's generally really effective in those positions. The question is whether you think he could maintain most of that efficiency on increased volume: so, if he's coming off screens and cutting 20% of the time instead of a combined 9.7% of the time, is he still an 85th %ile guy or more? I think probably, though I don't buy that ''lower volume, higher efficiency'' thing people often talk about - that usually isn't the case, actually.

None of this, by the way, is me trying to claim he's not ball dominant in Chicago. He obviously is. It's just that there are signs there that he has the skills to play in a more off-ball role as well, and it's not like he'd never get ballhandler minutes here. Of course he would.

If they can make Harden/Irving/Durant work... Don't see how we couldn't make Ingram/Lavine/Zion work...

Especially, when we pull out Point Zion in the 2nd half with two very good catch and shot guys.

[Pelicanidae]

I know there was internal frustration over Lavine's lack of development as a defender, but, at a certain point, elite offense outweighs poor defense. I'd say 29 a game on 52/43/86 exceeds that point. Sustainability is now the major question. He's shooting 42% on 5 pull up 3s per game, and 48% on 3 catch and shoot 3s. Those numbers are basically identical to Steph Curry's MVP seasons.

He's also not an awful defender anymore.

Lavine is now in the Jokic category where, as long as he's being put in a decent position, he's actually a perfect reasonable defender that even shows some signs of being actively good, but whose reputation is absolutely cratered to the point where everyone thinks he sucks on defense anyway.

Not saying he's an all-D guy or anything, absolutely not, but the days of him being one of the league's worst defensive starters are long gone.

[Taker597]

He's also not an awful defender anymore.

Lavine is now in the Jokic category where, as long as he's being put in a decent position, he's actually a perfect reasonable defender that even shows some signs of being actively good, but whose reputation is absolutely cratered to the point where everyone thinks he sucks on defense anyway.

Not saying he's an all-D guy or anything, absolutely not, but the days of him being one of the league's worst defensive starters are long gone.

What would be the trade package?

Lonzo is an obvious must. Do we opt to hoard the Bucks and Laker picks and just trade our own?

[Pelicanidae]

What would be the trade package?

Lonzo is an obvious must. Do we opt to hoard the Bucks and Laker picks and just trade our own?

No idea. I'd be more in favour of trading the Bucks/Lakers picks than our own, particularly the closer ones. I'd much rather trade our 2021 LA pick than our own, for example.

[MichaelMcNamara]

We won't have the Lakers 2021 pick, but you already know that since you know everything

[Pelicanidae]

We won't have the Lakers 2021 pick, but you already know that since you know everything

We won't, but until draft positions are finalised and it's then turned into a 2022 FRP, it's still a 2021 FRP with protections.

As you know.

[Fedupfan]

Did you guys know we won’t have the 2021 Lakers pick?

[Pelicanidae]

Did you guys know we won’t have the 2021 Lakers pick?

I did! Niche knowledge.