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I think you underestimate how physical basketball is. Even in games where he had double digit rebounds, there were possessions where he got pushed under the goal or completely out of the paint.Originally Posted by 6warddude
And Brad Stevens was showing our interior no respect tonight.
And in case nobody knows who Norvel Pelle is, this is the type of big thats needed. But we probably would never go after because he cant shoot 3s.
Last edited by luckyman; 01-12-2020 at 01:09 AM.
Part of this was because they doubled him on his first dribble a lot. Its the first time I can recall a team trying that strategy and it gave him fits. He will adjust if he sees more of it. Judging by how effective it was he will certainly see it again.
Nightmarish game, terrible defense.
They were drunk or what ?
That's definitely part of it. He was passing well in the first half which kind of made up for some of the shooting issues, but he didn't have a single assist in the second half, and only scored another 5 points. It's clear that the way the Celtics dealt with him was something that he had trouble getting over, and it didn't help that there was a clear lack of other release valves who could reliably run offense.
Jrue's not been perfect this season, we all know it, but it's clear how much him being out hurt us tonight; it's the kind of thing that doesn't show up when you're playing the Knicks, but when you only have one reliable half-court creator against a team with a functional defense like Boston, you get shown up.
Basketball.
Currently on pace for 29 wins still.
28.7, more exactly, but you can't win 0.7 of a game, so that's 29.
The Celtics have been playing poorly for a few weeks due to a combination of injuries, a compacted recent schedule, reintegrating injured players, and just plain hitting a low point that every team does. Even before their losing streak, they were disjointed and not performing well.
It was only a matter of time until they put it back together. Facing an injured, young Pelicans team on the second night of a back to back was the elixir.
Brown and Ingram had very similar off-games. Both went 4-15.
Last edited by Gant-; 01-12-2020 at 11:50 AM.
Idk... Gentry turns that into an art form with those 0.7 games.
Been on BI's bandwagon all year, but yesterday he played miserably. Five turnovers from his position is awful. Recently, he has been a little loose with the ball (specifically his lazy passing) which has led to some easy 'pick sixes'. (in football terms). He's too good of a talent to let sloppiness get in the way of greatness.
Now go re-sign him this summer.
Derrick Favors is our MVP. We have no interior defense without him.
I see that your not a Probablity and Statistics guy. %'s are based on both past and possible future circumstance. SOS is MUCH easier & the strong possibility that ZION will be playing.
Your definition of pace is a bit specious. %'s axiomatically change after every game played. What is the Pelicans pace for wins if you start from AFTER their 13 game losing streak?
Point being- Odds of losing 13 in a row again are astronomically low. Odds of Pelicans winning more games % wise moving forward are far greater that w/l % over the 1st 40 games.
Thus PACE is a useless tool to base what the outcome of the season will be.
Ah, calm down, I'm not making predictions. I'm just saying that if we continue winning games at the same rate we have all year, that's the number of games we're roughly heading for right now.
Obviously I know we've played better since Christmas, and obviously I know the schedule gets easier towards the end. As a result of this, we'll probably end up winning some number of games above the basic "win rate so far applied to the whole season" idea. Not going to speculate as to how many more that will be, but it's some number.
Just interesting to note the overall standard the team has performed at this far, considering the competition and injury issues. That's all. Don't take it too seriously.
You're basically describing the problem of heteroskedasticity. Meaning the Pelicans have been two different teams when Favors plays and when he doesn't. So past results have to be seperated or you have that long word problem.
Or, he has mostly played since December 18th, and they've been 8-4 in that time frame.
Anyway, they really need to find a backup power forward that blocks shots, rebounds, plays good PnR defense. All the little things Gentry mostly never talks about.
They went a got a Gentry type guy in Melli, but obviously they dont believe he is the answer. Otherwise he should honestly be in the starting lineup right now so BI can go back to the 3.
Saw a little note earlier that puts how incredible Ingram's improvement this year has been into perspective.
Since 1995, there have been 93 top 10 draft picks who have posted a negative combined BPM over their first 3 seasons of NBA play (with at least 1000 minutes played per year). Ingram was one of that number.
Of those 93 players, only 7 of them (7.5%) had an average +2 BPM or better over the next 3 seasons (seasons 4-6).
Those 7 players?
1) Marcus Camby
2) Mike Miller
3) Tyson Chandler
4) DeSagna Diop
5) Mike Conley
6) Brandan Wright
7) DeMarcus Cousins
And, in fact, if you restrict that to at least +3 BPM over seasons 4-6, you're left with only DeMarcus Cousins.
Obviously Ingram is only in season 4, so we can't say for sure what seasons 5 and 6 will look like for him, but so far this year he's posting a +2.2 BPM. That puts him in that group of 7 players, and with an easier half of the year left we could easily see it rise closer to +3.
Basically, Ingram's improvement (at least by BPM, which is far from a perfect metric but it's just interesting!) is nearly unprecedented among high draft picks. Less than 10% of top 10 picks who are as statistically bad as Ingram was in his first 3 years later go on to produce at a high level. The leap he's taken this year is massive.
Because they are usually cemented into a God-awful situation for the first six years of their career.
Blessed are the fortunate one's who escape the chains of "cellar-dweller bondage", mismanagement, and ineptitude in the front office, for theirs' is a career on the rise filed with promise.
Oh yeah there are plenty of reasons why this situation happens.
Sometimes it's because, like you said, they're stuck on a terrible team. Sometimes it's because they were drafted high as a developmental prospect and then ended up somewhere that doesn't do development (see: Kevin Knox in New York). Sometimes it's because they're drafted super young and would have actually benefitted from going back to college for another year or two. Sometimes it's because they're so bad in their first few years that they stop getting minutes after year 2 or 3, and therefore never get the opportunity to make that leap.
Sometimes it's because they're just bad at basketball.
But still, interesting to note how rare Ingram's leap has been.
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