Bucks prefer Ellis over Jennings?

Marc Stein: And a free-agent rumble: There's a rising belief in exec circles that Bucks prefer to re-sign Monta Ellis over Brandon Jennings this summer


Marc Stein: Bucks still have coaching choice to make: Larry Drew or Kelvin Sampson. But in backcourt there is sense they prefer Monta/Redick next season


I know some of you all are high on Jennings, well this may lower the price.

I don't blame them... I'm no Jennings fan AT ALL, and I think Monta has always been an underrated player. Jennings has said he wanted a big market anyway right? Let some other team overpay that chucker.

they dont rather ellis over jennings as a player, thats impossible, jennings is only 22 or 23, the reason they wont try and resign jennings is because he has already stated he doesnt want to big there and wants to play for a big market team.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I don't blame them... I'm no Jennings fan AT ALL, and I think Monta has always been an underrated player. Jennings has said he wanted a big market anyway right? Let some other team overpay that chucker.

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And Monta's not a chucker? Have you watched him play? Man both of them are chuckers...

Jennings and big markets was Gordon's heart in Phoenix before Gordon's heart was in Phoenix. Jennings could've said that years ago, and it's going to always be as if he said it last night.

I mean, if Jennings could play for OKC, you think he'd balk just cuz it's a weaker market?

I have a feeling we will try and get Jennings. Is there other teams with cap space that need a PG?

i would only be ok with jennings if trey burke is not there at 6, if he was that would be dumb.

Really don't want Jennings. I wasn't too high on him and then I listened to that 247 podcast from a couple weeks ago with the Bucksketball guy on there, now I don't want him AT ALL.

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Originally Posted by Miss_318

And Monta's not a chucker? Have you watched him play? Man both of them are chuckers...

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yea but Ellis makes more of his chucks.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

I have a feeling we will try and get Jennings. Is there other teams with cap space that need a PG?

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I don't blame Milwaukee. Jennings is a head case. I don't even think he wants to be in Milwaukee anymore. He's too busy trying to get a spot with a big market team so he can fit in with the crowd.

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Originally Posted by Miss_318

And Monta's not a chucker? Have you watched him play? Man both of them are chuckers...

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Oh yeah he's a chucker but he actually makes them lol.

has a max contract from dallas written all over it once they miss out on CP3

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Jennings and big markets was Gordon's heart in Phoenix before Gordon's heart was in Phoenix. Jennings could've said that years ago, and it's going to always be as if he said it last night.

I mean, if Jennings could play for OKC, you think he'd balk just cuz it's a weaker market?

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Probably not (but then again, they have westbrook, why would he go there?) but we are not on okc level, far from it

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

has a max contract from dallas written all over it once they miss out on CP3

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I read they are putting all their cards in on Dwight. Rumor has it they are going to go after Jarrett Jack or Bayless

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Originally Posted by jgman

yea but Ellis makes more of his chucks.

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Over 5% more, Ellis>>>>>>Jennings and it's not even close.

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

has a max contract from dallas written all over it once they miss out on CP3

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Exactly, once CP resigns in LA, Cuban is going to offer him the max.

But Ellis plays zero defense compared to Jennings who's a good defender.

Jennings at $8 million/year is fantastic value. I'd give him a Ryan Anderson contract, and see what he says. That still gives us $7 million for another guy, and we also have the MLE (about $5 million I think).

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Jennings at $8 million/year is fantastic value. I'd give him a Ryan Anderson contract, and see what he says. That still gives us $7 million for another guy, and we also have the MLE (about $5 million I think).

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Yeah I think 4 years 36 million is the most I would give him. But not more. He's still young with alot of upside. If he improves his jumper he will be a tough guard. Then all we would need at SF is a Pondexter type who can shoot 3's and defend decently.

Why would this team want Jennings? The fit or something? Can someone post a link or explain why? I just never fully understood why would we want Jennings.

id be shocked if the bucks didnt prefer ellis over jennings...

Why the Bucks are the Bucks ...

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Originally Posted by wuggie

Why would this team want Jennings? The fit or something? Can someone post a link or explain why? I just never fully understood why would we want Jennings.

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Over the past 2 years, there have been rumors that Demps covets Jennings. Perhaps that has changed, but that is the heart of the issue. That, combined with his athleticism, offensive abilities, and his ability to pick up the ball at 3/4 court to start the defense. He can also run the break. Obviously, he has his issues, but a guy like him just needs a guy like Monty to reel him in and teach him how to play more under control.

Jennings fits the profile of PGs Demps tends to favor looking back at past transactions.

I'd never give Jennings anything close the max, cant understand a team paying that to someone that isnt even a top 10 pg...

BTW, Ellis is terrible. He shouldn't be a starter in this league. Perfect example of a combo guard off the bench.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Over 5% more, Ellis>>>>>>Jennings and it's not even close.

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He made 2% more of his chucks last year and shot 28 percent from 3. Also turns it over more than Jennings (despite Jennings being the primary point guard) and is a worse defender. Ellis' career FG% is only where it is because he never used to take threes. Now he takes 4 a game and makes em at a cool 28-percent clip. Plus Ellis has been around long enough to where he pretty much is who he is. Jennings still has potential to improve significantly.

Jennings may have his warts, but Ellis > Jennings is laughable and assuming the $ is relatively close, the kind of decision that keeps the Bucks in constant mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

He made 2% more of his chucks last year and shot 28 percent from 3. Also turns it over more than Jennings (despite Jennings being the primary point guard) and is a worse defender. Ellis' career FG% is only where it is because he never used to take threes. Now he takes 4 a game and makes em at a cool 28-percent clip. Plus Ellis has been around long enough to where he pretty much is who he is. Jennings still has potential to improve significantly.

Jennings may have his warts, but Ellis > Jennings is laughable and assuming the $ is relatively close, the kind of decision that keeps the Bucks in constant mediocrity.

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Good post.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

BTW, Ellis is terrible. He shouldn't be a starter in this league. Perfect example of a combo guard off the bench.

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Didn't you hear? He's just as good as Dwayne Wade.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Jennings at $8 million/year is fantastic value. I'd give him a Ryan Anderson contract, and see what he says. That still gives us $7 million for another guy, and we also have the MLE (about $5 million I think).

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not if the Pelicans use their cap space

This free agency will be fun to watch it unfold

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Over the past 2 years, there have been rumors that Demps covets Jennings. Perhaps that has changed, but that is the heart of the issue. That, combined with his athleticism, offensive abilities, and his ability to pick up the ball at 3/4 court to start the defense. He can also run the break. Obviously, he has his issues, but a guy like him just needs a guy like Monty to reel him in and teach him how to play more under control.

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I think I agree with this. I'm not a huge Jennings fan, but you can see the potential there. He's super-quick, a willing defender, and an aggressive offensive player. He needs more structure and direction to his game, and he needs to be mature. Maybe Monty is the kind of guy who can bring that out of him. He showed himself willing to play tough, attacking defense under Scott Skiles, so he's willing to learn and develop. I'm intrigued.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

He made 2% more of his chucks last year and shot 28 percent from 3. Also turns it over more than Jennings (despite Jennings being the primary point guard) and is a worse defender. Ellis' career FG% is only where it is because he never used to take threes. Now he takes 4 a game and makes em at a cool 28-percent clip. Plus Ellis has been around long enough to where he pretty much is who he is. Jennings still has potential to improve significantly.

Jennings may have his warts, but Ellis > Jennings is laughable and assuming the $ is relatively close, the kind of decision that keeps the Bucks in constant mediocrity.

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Just to be clear, I don't like either player. Ellis, just doesn't play defense, and Jennings is a shooter who can't shoot. Of course Jennings is still young and has the potential to get better, but he's also a "large market" prima donna, who is more concerned about his brand than he is basketball. In other words he fits in perfectly with todays NBA. If be interested in signing Jennings for 4 years/32 million, but he won't sign it, and Milwaukee would match so I don't see the point. The most I'd offer Ellis would be 4 years/20 million, which he wouldn't accept either.

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Just to be clear, I don't like either player. Ellis, just doesn't play defense, and Jennings is a shooter who can't shoot. Of course Jennings is still young and has the potential to get better, but he's also a "large market" prima donna, who is more concerned about his brand than he is basketball. In other words he fits in perfectly with todays NBA. If be interested in signing Jennings for 4 years/32 million, but he won't sign it, and Milwaukee would match so I don't see the point. The most I'd offer Ellis would be 4 years/20 million, which he wouldn't accept either.

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A shooter who can't shoot! :hihi:

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Originally Posted by GeauxPelicans

Just to be clear, I don't like either player. Ellis, just doesn't play defense, and Jennings is a shooter who can't shoot. Of course Jennings is still young and has the potential to get better, but he's also a "large market" prima donna, who is more concerned about his brand than he is basketball. In other words he fits in perfectly with todays NBA. If be interested in signing Jennings for 4 years/32 million, but he won't sign it, and Milwaukee would match so I don't see the point. The most I'd offer Ellis would be 4 years/20 million, which he wouldn't accept either.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

A shooter who can't shoot! :hihi:

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Agree or disagree?

Don't disagree. The phrase itself is funny. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

I don't blame Milwaukee. Jennings is a head case. I don't even think he wants to be in Milwaukee anymore. He's too busy trying to get a spot with a big market team so he can fit in with the crowd.

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He tries to do too much. In a starting role where he doesn't have the weight of a team's success on his shoulders I think he'd be great.

I like the comment someone said about "a big market" being Jennings' Phoenix. You've got to remember he lives in Milwaukee, WI and has since he was 19 years old. Anywhere is an upgrade from Milwaukee as far as exposure. They consistently make the playoffs and no one knows they exist.

Most every "big market" team (New York, Brooklyn, LAL, LAC, Boston, Chicago) has a PG (or in NY's case a point forward, and when he's not in a ~$3 mil a year guy runs the team for 10 minutes/game) so he's not going to get a team that he has in mind. Dallas is his best shot at and if it came down to us and them for the same amount of money, you'd have to think playing with AD and potentially Gordon for Monty in a newly remodeled arena with a BRAND new practice facility in NOLA is a lot more enticing than playing with OJ Mayo and a 50 year old Dirk.

Especially with the luxury tax limiting what teams can spend and what some teams can do via sign and trade, what some of these FA want and actually will get are probably really diverse scenarios.

Jennings wants a big contract and a big market. He could have some trouble finding that combination depending on how FA shakes out. Dallas IMO is his most likely destination, but if they catch another fish or don't see him as an answer then he's out of luck. A place like Atlanta could be in play as well, but not sure if that really fits his criteria, plus they'll probably just resign Teague since they control his rights.

If the Bucks are willing to let him test/walk, I think we'd actually be in play. Not the favorite, mind you, but selling him on being part of a 1-2 with Davis could entice him if the offers aren't right elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Jennings at $8 million/year is fantastic value. I'd give him a Ryan Anderson contract, and see what he says. That still gives us $7 million for another guy, and we also have the MLE (about $5 million I think).

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You can't honestly think he isn't going to get much more than that in the open market?? I see him fetching 12m/yr from a team desperate to make a splash. Aka Dallas. If he would end up playing for 8m/yr it ain't gonna be here that's for sure.

Jennings would throw so many alleys to AD, Aminu, and Gordon. Gravy not a good alley passer we definetly need a PG that can throw alleys

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Originally Posted by HalfBreed

Jennings would throw so many alleys to AD, Aminu, and Gordon. Gravy not a good alley passer we definetly need a PG that can throw alleys

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We also need one who knows the limits of their game. He will take away touches from Davis and Gordon. Regardless of where he ends up, he needs to look at himself in the mirror and realize that he isn't as good of a scorer as he think he is. Once he does, he will finally become a good player.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

We also need one who knows the limits of their game. He will take away touches from Davis and Gordon. Regardless of where he ends up, he needs to look at himself in the mirror and realize that he isn't as good of a scorer as he think he is. Once he does, he will finally become a good player.

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I hope someone can take his fair share of touches too. Gordon, Davis, and Anderson can't take all the shots.

Not license for him to take million shots, but all the same.

Can someone please sell me on Jennings? So many people so high on him around here but I don't see much to like. High volume shooter, low efficiency, coming with a (probably) high price tag? Hollinger says he's an inconsistent but average defender and he shot under 40% this year from the field. I don't get it.

Not so many. It's pretty much me and maybe...two others? And I can't even call them by name because I'm not sure they actually exist. :huh2:

I believe in Jennings because he's an available player with the ability to be a dynamic asset. He's been in the league, what, 3 years for the same team and he's been the only real scoring option or elite talent for all but the last, and the other elite talent is someone just like him, only worse from deep. Never had a guy that he can run the pick and pop with, never had a big he could run the floor with until last year.

My idea is that he gets better, not that he comes here and does the exact same thing, just in our uni. In a different environment, I think we could see great things from Jennings partnering up with Davis.

That said, it all depends on where Trey Burke goes. And after that, where Bledsoe goes. Then Jennings is who I want.