Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

well the green from boston is also 2.25x more expensive.

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Yeah I know.

What is his defence like?
Can he play the 3 in defence?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

well the green from boston is also 2.25x more expensive.

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lol if ppl cant put pieces together they're slow

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Check your PM.....I'll be very upset if this happens

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I'm just curious why u need to pm something ur not even sure of and just a rumor u heard thru the grapevine.

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Originally Posted by tyler

lol if ppl cant put pieces together they're slow

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lol it happens, we have to find a way to get under the keep cuz of asik, trading for ryno for jeff green would do nothing, he is 1mil more than ryno haha.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

Holiday/Roberts/Jackson
Reke/Gordon
Miller/???
Davis/Anderson
Asik/Ajenca(spelling?)/Whithey

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I wonder if Miller could start over Aminu?

About Havok's trade rumor.

I think this would have to almost done and dell has it int he bag.

He HAS to get under the cap for Asik so in my opinion there's about a 75% of this trade happening, 25% chance of another trade happening if not, 0% chance no other moves are made.

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Originally Posted by tyler

I would change yours too lol:hihi::idoh: or delete the quote

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Hey i never used a name, and if u go google 18.5 points post all star game i don't think ur gonna find much info lol.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'm just curious why u need to pm something ur not even sure of and just a rumor u heard thru the grapevine.

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I didn't hear the rumour another poster did and he asked us all to only PM it and not post details of who is in the trade rumour.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Done.
It wasn't out of disrespect.....I didn't mention what the trade was.

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Oh I know, in no way did i mean you were being disrespectful, I was just stating out of respect for him, no harm no foul.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

About Havok's trade rumor.

I think this would have to almost done and dell has it int he bag.

He HAS to get under the cap for Asik so in my opinion there's about a 75% of this trade happening, 25% chance of another trade happening if not, 0% chance no other moves are made.

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bump, i'm sure of this now.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I didn't hear the rumour another poster did and he asked us all to only PM it and not post details of who is in the trade rumour.

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Oh I see now..I didn't know u was talking about havics info. I thought u was talking about a rumor u read somewhere lol..I was like wth is he pm for lol

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

bump, i'm sure of this now.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

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lol i didn't mean I'm sure because i heard a trade was going down, i said I'm sure of it because something HAS to go down for the cap to work.

sorry, i can see how this could be misinterpreted, thats my fault.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Hey i never used a name, and if u go google 18.5 points post all star game i don't think ur gonna find much info lol.

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Yea but u quoted his post bro with the name in it..:idoh:

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Yea but u quoted his post bro with the name in it..:idoh:

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lol oops, fixed it.

if this trade happens we'll actually have a starting lineup with players playing the position they are supposed to lol. no more sf's at sf, pf's at C, etc...

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if this trade happens we'll actually have a starting lineup with players playing the position they are supposed to lol. no more sf's at sf, pf's at C, etc...

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I thought we wanted sf's at sf position? :hihi:

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I thought we wanted sf's at sf position? :hihi:

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I was going to ask the same thing but.... Close.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I thought we wanted sf's at sf position? :hihi:

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lol i meant sg at sf :P

You guys sure do love to run your keyboards... a man gave you a gift... think about it and keep it to yourselves, please! All tonight has done is tell anyone with anything to never share it because the people here can NOT SHUT UP!

Look here, it was said there, Harvey said, their are a lot of guys named Garcia, Smith, Jones, etc.

Please respect the man and his info, he shared it with you, say thank you, and please stop thinking it is yours to share....if you don't, you will never get it again, your choice!

ESPN is grading this trade as a D+ for us : D

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Houston Rockets : A-

The December 20 "deadline" for the Rockets to move Omer Asik is now six months past, and with the benefit of hindsight, Houston GM Daryl Morey did the right thing by waiting. It's now clear that having the cap space this summer to aggressively pursue free agents like Carmelo Anthony and even LeBron James is better for the Rockets than any of the players they could have acquired for Asik last season.

Moving Asik's $8.3 million cap hit (he'll actually be paid $15 million the way the contract he signed as a restricted free agent was structured) brings Houston one step closer to creating enough cap space to make a competitive offer for Anthony and James. The Rockets surely also know they can move Jeremy Lin in a deal they won't make until they need the cap space, according to Sam Amick of USA Today.

There was stronger impetus for moving Asik regardless of how free agency plays out. He chafed at a backup role behind Dwight Howard last season, and though Houston got some mileage out of pairing the two centers in the playoffs, Asik is more valuable on a team for which he can start. Additionally, while the Rockets might have to surrender a pick to move Lin, they were able to get a tasty one from the Pelicans in return for Asik.

Per ESPN's Brian Windhorst, the pick is protected in both directions, something Morey pioneered two years ago when Kyle Lowry went to the Toronto Raptors. New Orleans will keep it if it lands in the top three and also if it falls after No. 19.

Because the Pelicans will contend for a playoff spot, this isn't quite as valuable as the pick Houston got for Lowry -- one of the key pieces in the James Harden trade -- but it's likely to be better than any Rockets selection for some time to come. There's an outside chance dangling a possible lottery pick could get Houston back in the mix for the other superstar on the trade market, Kevin Love.

At worst, the Rockets dealt a center who was a luxury asset for them in exchange for a first-round pick while creating a trade exception in the process. (The exception disappears if Houston goes under the cap to sign a free agent.) At best, Houston took an important step toward adding a third star.


New Orleans Pelicans: D+

Assuming it ends up inside the 4-19 range, the Pelicans' 2015 first-round pick will be the third in a row they've traded, joining 2013 and 2014, which both went to the Philadelphia 76ers on draft night a year ago. This is a bad way to build a basketball team. First-round picks are valuable assets because they offer up to four years of cost-controlled production at rates that are, on average, far below market value. By contrast, the players New Orleans has acquired (Jrue Holiday last year, now Asik) are paid what they're worth, relatively.

As FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver once simplified, there are two ways to build a winning NBA team. One way is to pay more money than other teams. This avenue is surely not available to the Pelicans. The other is to be more efficient with your spending than other teams, and that's where first-round picks are invaluable. While there are bargains here and there, players on rookie contracts are the most reliably underpaid around.

Trading first-round picks shortcuts the process of competing, but it comes with a long-term price. New Orleans has the luxury of spending more on veterans now because of the league's best bargain, Anthony Davis' rookie contract. Davis will be paid $5.6 million this season, when he could emerge as one of the league's handful of most valuable players. The Pelicans get that bargain for only two more seasons, however. In 2016-17, Davis' salary will likely jump to the max, making it far more difficult for New Orleans to clear cap space. At that point, the Pelicans are going to wish they had reasonable rookie contracts to fill out their rotation rather than having to rely on scrounging for cheap free agents.

The shortcut might be worth it for a team designed to win now. That's not New Orleans, at least not in the brutal Western Conference. The Pelicans already figured to be one of the league's most improved teams next season, both because of Davis' development and better health after Holiday missed 48 games last season and super-sixth man Ryan Anderson missed 60. Asik will help that process, certainly. He's a vast improvement over the defensive-minded centers New Orleans played next to Davis last season: Alexis Ajinca, Greg Stiemsma and Jeff Withey.

Still, looking around the Western Conference, it's hard to see the Pelicans as one of the top four teams. There's even a chance, with more bad injury luck, they might miss the playoffs again. The last thing New Orleans needs is general manager Dell Demps sitting at the lottery again, hoping the Pelicans' pick leaps into the top three so they can keep it rather than sending it elsewhere.

The mechanics of this trade also make it somewhat more problematic for New Orleans. To swallow Asik's salary, they'll have to go under the cap after the new league year starts in July. That means the Pelicans must dump a contract (likely guard Austin Rivers), as well as renounce cap holds for their free agents (most notably, backup guards Anthony Morrow andBrian Roberts) and give up on the midlevel exception for the smaller room midlevel exception.

So after the trade, New Orleans will have seven players under contract and only the room exception ($2.7 million) to pay free agents more than the minimum. 2013 second-round pick Pierre Jackson will likely fill another spot, but the Pelicans could be woefully thin after their top nine players, making injuries a concern.

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I understand why he thinks there are only 2 models, but that's just stupid. One part of this that's important is we need to keep Asik rather than losing him in FA in a year, but assuming we keep him, we basically turned #6, #10 and #16ish into 2 very good starters. I think most teams would happily take that return on 3 draft picks.

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Originally Posted by BP225

I understand why he thinks there are only 2 models, but that's just stupid. One part of this that's important is we need to keep Asik rather than losing him in FA in a year, but assuming we keep him, we basically turned #6, #10 and #16ish into 2 very good starters. I think most teams would happily take that return on 3 draft picks.

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He also references noted basketball mind and number cruncher Nate Silver. God forbid teams don't want to live in the lottery for half a decade hoping year after year the guy they draft turns into something...they can trade for an established player. Just lazy analysis and I expect nothing more from ESPN.

Could we do something like this and keep our MLE?

HOU gets Asik and NO first
NO gets Asik and BOS second
BOS gets Rivers, Anjica, Ely, Withey, and Babbitt

We would be sending out approximately $6.5M. BOS can waive the non-guaranteed guys, and Anjica/second is the price they pay for Rivers.

Get Tucker and resign our own FAs.

Jrue/Roberts
Tyreke/Gordon
Tucker/Aminu
AD/Ryno
Asik/Smith


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Originally Posted by greewe

Could we do something like this and keep our MLE?

HOU gets Asik and NO first
NO gets Asik and BOS second
BOS gets Rivers, Anjica, Ely, Withey, and Babbitt

We would be sending out approximately $6.5M. BOS can waive the non-guaranteed guys, and Anjica/second is the price they pay for Rivers.

Get Tucker and resign our own FAs.

Jrue/Roberts
Tyreke/Gordon
Tucker/Aminu
AD/Ryno
Asik/Smith


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If we use the cap space to sign free agents we dont get the MLE

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

If we use the cap space to sign free agents we dont get the MLE

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We wouldn't be using cap space. That's the point. We would send out equal salaries for Asik (not using cap space). We would keep our holds for our FAs, pushing us over the cap and giving us the MLE.

I think.


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Your 3 way trade might work. The only other way we can keep the MLE is if we wind up with an $8.3 million trade exception. Basically trade one of our $10+ million players and don't take much back. Outside of that you either have to create cap space (using Ryno to dump Gordon?) or be satisfied with the $2.7 million cap room exception and minimum contracts.

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Originally Posted by greewe

Could we do something like this and keep our MLE?

HOU gets Asik and NO first
NO gets Asik and BOS second
BOS gets Rivers, Anjica, Ely, Withey, and Babbitt

We would be sending out approximately $6.5M. BOS can waive the non-guaranteed guys, and Anjica/second is the price they pay for Rivers.

Get Tucker and resign our own FAs.

Jrue/Roberts
Tyreke/Gordon
Tucker/Aminu
AD/Ryno
Asik/Smith


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That woulld allow us to sign our own FA's and use MLE. We would use Bird rights on our guys first, then use the MLE, then send in the trade to the league on July 8th.

Basically, we would have to send out about 5.8 million in a deal to be able to keep our MLE.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

That woulld allow us to sign our own FA's and use MLE. We would use Bird rights on our guys first, then use the MLE, then send in the trade to the league on July 8th.

Basically, we would have to send out about 5.8 million in a deal to be able to keep our MLE.

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Thanks. Do you think a team like Boston values Rivers enough to absorb Ajinca? Any chance a 3 teamer like that happens in reality?


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Originally Posted by greewe

Thanks. Do you think a team like Boston values Rivers enough to absorb Ajinca? Any chance a 3 teamer like that happens in reality?


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I think Dell has to look at that. The question is - do you shed a bunch of the smaller salaries like that and just kill your depth, going with a top heavy roster? Or do you move one of the big 5 pieces and keep the guys on really cheap contracts, giving you more depth but perhaps one less piece of top heavy talent.

I think Dell has to explore every avenue to move Gordon, which is slightly harder this morning because they can't attach a 1st round pick to him. Then, you have the debate about Rivers and other cheap talent vs. Ryno.

To me, it comes down to how you feel about Babbitt. Can he give you 70-75% of what Ryno did at 1/9th the price? If he does, should I move Anderson instead?

I just hope it is Gordon. Would make this a perfect week IMO

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think Dell has to look at that. The question is - do you shed a bunch of the smaller salaries like that and just kill your depth, going with a top heavy roster? Or do you move one of the big 5 pieces and keep the guys on really cheap contracts, giving you more depth but perhaps one less piece of top heavy talent.

I think Dell has to explore every avenue to move Gordon, which is slightly harder this morning because they can't attach a 1st round pick to him. Then, you have the debate about Rivers and other cheap talent vs. Ryno.

To me, it comes down to how you feel about Babbitt. Can he give you 70-75% of what Ryno did at 1/9th the price? If he does, should I move Anderson instead?

I just hope it is Gordon. Would make this a perfect week IMO

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Yeah. I guess I feel like Demps gets guys like Babbitt, Ajinca, and Withey in his sleep. Ryno is harder to replace and if my choices are get rid of Babbitt/Ajinca/Withey for SF (Tucker) or get rid of Ryno for SF, I choose the former every time.

I would love to get rid of Gordon. If Dell does trade Ryno for SF and a first, do you see us packaging Gordon with that first? Then going after a huge fish at SF? And again, is Deng (or whomever, or even a collection of smaller guys) better than Ryno, Gordon, and Tucker?


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Sam Amick: Rockets deal likely happens after July moratorium (10th) because NO will likely use players w/ nonguaranteed $ to match Asik's $8.3 million Twitter @sam_amick
Rumors tagsHouston Rockets, New Orleans Pelicans, Trade
- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_....fNZVEHJP.dpuf

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Sam Amick: Rockets deal likely happens after July moratorium (10th) because NO will likely use players w/ nonguaranteed $ to match Asik's $8.3 million Twitter @sam_amick
Rumors tagsHouston Rockets, New Orleans Pelicans, Trade
- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/new_....fNZVEHJP.dpuf

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This guy didnt even know about the Stephien rule last night. Add that to the fact that they would need 5.8 mil in non guaranteed contracts to do that and we have about 3 mil in those types of contracts, and just ignore what he is saying. Bottom line.

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This guy didnt even know about the Stephien rule last night. Add that to the fact that they would need 5.8 mil in non guaranteed contracts to do that and we have about 3 mil in those types of contracts, and just ignore what he is saying. Bottom line.

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Bottom line is we still need to cut salary in order for this to work, so another trade has to be coming, and that this likely won't get finalized until that other trade is made. So July 10th is a possibility for a done date.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Not correct. In no way will the added "real salary" effect how much he spends on players. In every scenario, he spends up to cap and uses exceptions. No more, no less. Extra 7 mil for Asik's deal is just coming out of his pocket, not effecting team salary structure in any way. Because of the CBA, it just cant

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Up to $ 3 million can be added to trades or used to buy picks.

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Originally Posted by AirForce1

ESPN is grading this trade as a D+ for us : D

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What bothers me most about analysts of today is their inability to think outside the box. They simply say, "Pelicans need their 1st round pick!" then go on about why every first round pick is so valuable.

"First-round picks are valuable assets because they offer up to four years of cost-controlled production at rates that are, on average, far below market value. By contrast, the players New Orleans has acquired (Jrue Holiday last year, now Asik) are paid what they're worth, relatively."

Well the thing they aren't understanding is that for the next 1.5 years we have the MOST valuable contract in the league in Anthony Davis. If we wait to sign these big names, his mega-extension will eat a huge chunk of our cap space. These writers have got to see this kind of stuff...

probably posted not going through 15 pages but..

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1533/omer-asik

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Report: Omer Asik being dealt to Pelicans

Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Rockets are set to deal C Omer Asik to the Pelicans for a future first-round draft pick and $1.5 million.
This should be about a done deal and it's a big move for the Pelicans, who had a lot of injury and depth problems at center last season. Look for Asik to start alongside Anthony Davis next season, and look for his fantasy value to take a nice jump now that he no longer has to deal with Dwight Howard. As for the Rockets, they're clearly making monetary space in hopes of acquiring LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony. Additionally, Michael McNamara is reporting that the Pelicans have to trade Austin Rivers or Eric Gordon in order to take on Asik, so there's likely more to come in this deal after the draft.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I love this deal. We Asik is a great big to pair with Davis and Ryno. He is one of the best defensive bigs in the league, and he is also one of the best rebounders. Most importantly, he won't be expected to close out games, so AD and Ryno can finish the games with no issues. He is also only 27 years old.

A late 1st for one of the best defensive/rebounding bigs in the league? That's robbery IMO. We got a good deal because Houston is clearing cap space to go after Melo.

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This. I love this trade now let's get a scoring SF..someway somehow

It's amazing what kids retain. When my 6yr old son came down the stairs (dazed from just having woken up) this morning, i told him the Pels just landed Omar Asik. Without hesitation he said, "Is that #3 that does that awkward face expression before all his free throws?"

why, yes... yes he is that guy

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

This guy didnt even know about the Stephien rule last night. Add that to the fact that they would need 5.8 mil in non guaranteed contracts to do that and we have about 3 mil in those types of contracts, and just ignore what he is saying. Bottom line.

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It's a freakin epidemic.

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Chris Mannix ‏@ChrisMannixSI 10h

Still trying to figure out pick situation. Not sure how Pelicans--which does not have a pick in this draft--can give up a '15 first rounder

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Both Mannix and Amick are reasonably respected NBA writers. I understand the national guys being clueless about specific situations of the less popular teams, but this is a pretty well established rule.

Could we possibly have a draft night trade lined up that sorts out all of this mess AND nets us a pick?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And what I am saying is that Option B could not exist because of the CBA. Like, literally not possible. I dont know how to better explain this to you. You only have so many exceptions, and he will use all of them in Option A, just as he would in a scenario where he wouldn't have gotten Asik. In the scenario where he doesnt get Asik, though, he couldnt have magically spent another 7 mil on players. There would be no exception to make this possible. Even if Benson was begging Dell to spend an extra 7 mil, it just wouldnt be possible.

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Cool. Makes sense.

That would be great if we can get rid of Gordon for a 1st round pick!

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Originally Posted by TheDawg26

That would be great if we can get rid of Gordon for a 1st round pick!

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Supervillain would truly earn his name if he pulled that off...

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Bottom line is we still need to cut salary in order for this to work, so another trade has to be coming, and that this likely won't get finalized until that other trade is made. So July 10th is a possibility for a done date.

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Yep. Been saying that from the second the trade was made. Another shoe will drop and then we can analyze it as a whole.

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Yep. Been saying that from the second the trade was made. Another shoe will drop and then we can analyze it as a whole.

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If Gordon is in it, automatic win.

Like when Yugi summons Exodia...

Gordon is the ideal. Stretching Gordon might be 2nd best scenario. There is no debate there.

The debate comes down to Ryno route vs. Rivers route. Ryno route gives you very little flexibility to add depth to roster and even a starting SF. Rivers route forces you to lose Ryno but gives you ability to make roster super deep and even tackle 2015 FA class super hard.

Its a good debate. I am starting to lean towards trading Ryno. Makes more sense for big picture. I just would ideally like for him to go East. I don't want him draining 8 threes on me 3-4 times a year and/or in the playoffs

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I think Dell has to look at that. The question is - do you shed a bunch of the smaller salaries like that and just kill your depth, going with a top heavy roster? Or do you move one of the big 5 pieces and keep the guys on really cheap contracts, giving you more depth but perhaps one less piece of top heavy talent.

I think Dell has to explore every avenue to move Gordon, which is slightly harder this morning because they can't attach a 1st round pick to him. Then, you have the debate about Rivers and other cheap talent vs. Ryno.

To me, it comes down to how you feel about Babbitt. Can he give you 70-75% of what Ryno did at 1/9th the price? If he does, should I move Anderson instead?

I just hope it is Gordon. Would make this a perfect week IMO

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As sad as it makes me, we can't gut our bench. I suspect the obvious choice of who gets moved, I just pray they'd rather do something drastic like Stretch Gordon to keep the winning core together.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Gordon is the ideal. Stretching Gordon might be 2nd best scenario. There is no debate there.

The debate comes down to Ryno route vs. Rivers route. Ryno route gives you very little flexibility to add depth to roster and even a starting SF. Rivers route forces you to lose Ryno but gives you ability to make roster super deep and even tackle 2015 FA class super hard.

Its a good debate. I am starting to lean towards trading Ryno. Makes more sense for big picture. I just would ideally like for him to go East. I don't want him draining 8 threes on me 3-4 times a year and/or in the playoffs

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I have to disagree. Ryno is a valuable asset under a reasonable contract. He adds so much to the team that I would hate to lose him.

Calling it now, Jason Smith returns on one year deal after Ryno traded.