no you're not lmao every statement you've made has been how we should take the laker deal no matter what while adding in but but but if this happens stop it dude....every one has told you ******** and you just keep coming back with the Lakers crap no matter what anyone tells you lolQuote:
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02-04-2019, 08:34 PMbahmamamba
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02-04-2019, 08:34 PMPelicanidaeThe value of an asset in the NBA is what a team is willing to pay for them, and I've explained the risk/reward evaluation of the two players twice in excruciating detailQuote:
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02-04-2019, 08:35 PMbahmamambagotta just stop man bc people like his ************y ****** are just trolling nowQuote:
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02-04-2019, 08:39 PMtacosman
highly unlikely that the suns are going to give up multiple premium assets(and their 2019 pick right now and ayton are both premium assets) for AD
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02-04-2019, 08:42 PMNMThreeMVPOk. But I seriously question your ability to read.Quote:
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02-04-2019, 08:42 PMTinmanAs I said earlier- If my only choice is to grab hot garbage from a landfill NOW, or wait a few months & I may be able to go grocery shopping at the store, I'm kinda thinking I'll wait & go to the store. I can always go back to the landfill. Same ole crap is gonna be there.Quote:
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02-04-2019, 08:42 PMMythrolMy dude. Ainge SAID publicly he doesn't care about the comments. Said he still wants AD. Said he is still going to go after AD. This all came out in the media.Quote:
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No. I'm not assuming one cares and the other doesn't. I'm talking about NEGOTIATIONS.
In NEGOTIATIONS LaVar's comments are far more damaging to the team trying to do the buying because they are literally trying to convince us of Balls worth to get AD.
This isn't rocket science dude.
The Celtics STILL WANT AD. So AD's dad making comments don't matter as much. Lakers are trying to convince us to take Ball in a package for AD. His dad saying he doesn't want to be here hurts their trade package. -
02-04-2019, 08:44 PMNMThreeMVPCan’t read all this when it starts with something untrue. Find me where Ainge has said anything publicly about trading for AD and I’ll stop posting...Quote:
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02-04-2019, 08:45 PMbahmamambaI agree but apparently it doeant matter your boy is gonna talk that ish lolQuote:
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02-04-2019, 08:46 PMbahmamambalmfao really? bc he's said twice now so bye?Quote:
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02-04-2019, 08:48 PMbahmamambaand I question your ability to comprehend ******** ppl say so it's all good I will tell you though I read that I'll go away if ainge has said anything publicly so I guess you should go away considering he's said something twice now cough cough :)Quote:
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02-04-2019, 08:48 PMPelicanidaeDon't be absurd, you know Ainge can't name AD specifically because he'd get fined for tampering.Quote:
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He's talking about the radio interview Ainge did a few days ago where he said that he would be willing to trade for a player with no guarantee that that player would resign as long as it was ''the right player''. Who else do you think he's talking about, Darren Collison?
That, plus the MULTIPLE leaks that say Boston is willing to trade everyone but Tatum, and that Boston is telling New Orleans to be patient and wait because Ainge is willing to put everything on the line.
Of course Ainge isn't going to come out and say ''We are willing to trade all of our assets for Anthony Davis, the forward from New Orleans'', because he'd had $100k stripped from him before he could press send tweet. -
02-04-2019, 08:49 PMHoochicanQuote:
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02-04-2019, 08:50 PMbahmamambana na na naaaaaah hey hey good bye....or are you gonna lie and not go away scrub?Quote:
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02-04-2019, 08:50 PMbahmamambalmfao hell ignore it man don't even tryQuote:
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02-04-2019, 08:55 PMmsusousaphone
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02-04-2019, 08:58 PMNMThreeMVPThis convinced me y’all can’t read.Quote:
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Here is Ainge’s full quote:
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We initially had a trade together and KG said he wouldn’t come to Boston. He said no. So, we pulled the trade offer. Then we traded for Ray Allen and went back to Minnesota and they allowed us to speak to KG, and he said yes.
He also said he would sign an extension and we did the trade. We had another opportunity -- I won’t name the player, but that player wouldn’t commit to re-signing, so we didn’t do the deal.
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02-04-2019, 09:02 PMHoochicanWith all due respect that is not the "full" quote. You left out this part:Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:02 PMbahmamambalmao I like how you legit look at what you want to fit your ******** narrative; )Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:03 PMbahmamambaahhhh he was trying to keep that out lolQuote:
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02-04-2019, 09:04 PMNMThreeMVP
Lol. The highlighted part is not an Ainge quote, and clearly someone else’s interpretation who can’t read.
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02-04-2019, 09:04 PMPelicanidaeThat's not Ainge's ''full quote'' at all. It was a radio interview, of some length. Here's some more answers from that same interview:Quote:
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When asked if he would trade for a player with no assurance they would stay:
“Yes. But it depends on the situation. It depends on the player, the circumstances and the package you have to trade for him. We’ve had a chance to do it and have done it, and we’ve had a chance to do it and have not done it.”''
''It’s not about selling the player. They want to be themselves and they want to win. It’s about creating an environment where they can reach their goals. That’s usually how you keep players.”
What does that say to you? It tells you that yes, if it is a player he wants and he can make the deal, he is willing to trade for a player with no guarantee they will resign because he believes the Celtics can create ''an environment where they can reach their goals'' and ''thats usually how you keep players.''
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02-04-2019, 09:09 PMMythrolI literally said it came out through the media.Quote:
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"according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.**The Pelicans**won’t make a deal unless they receive “an overwhelming package for the franchise’s star,” according to Woj.
The Los Angeles LeBrons … er Lakers … are expected to make an**“aggressive push” for Davis, and the unibrowed superstar would prefer to wear purple and gold in his future. He can opt out of his deal after next season, and there’s the chance that if anyone other than L.A. acquires Davis at the deadline or over the summer, they would be doing so on a rental basis. That could just be a power play by Davis and his agent, trying to force the Pelicans to make the deal they want now, rather than later.
But if no deal happens before next Thursday, would Davis being a potential one-year rental scare away Danny Ainge? Not at all, according to Wojnarowski:
GM Danny Ainge is undeterred on making a trade for Davis, even without an assurance that he would agree to an extension with the Celtics, league sources said. Boston has been calling New Orleans for the past year-plus on Davis, and has gathered multiple first-round picks and young players to include in a package for him. Davis has a strong relationship with Irving, and Boston knows that trading for Davis would assuredly perish any possibility of Irving changing his mind and leaving the Celtics in free agency this summer."
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02-04-2019, 09:12 PMPelicanidae
I dont think NMThreeMVP understands that GMs will almost never just explicitly come out and state that they're willing to trade their war chest for another player, especially such a high profile player. Tampering is not allowed, and Ainge is not an idiot. He will not come out and just say that he's gonna sell the farm for AD. That would violate league rules, AND throw his negotiating position under the bus. That's not going to happen. If that's what you're waiting for, wait forever cause it won't happen.
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02-04-2019, 09:14 PMNMThreeMVP
I don’t know how anyone can listen to that interview (I did) and come away convinced Ainge is willing to give up premium assets if AD isn’t willing to commit to resigning. Hell, he explicitly says he wasn’t even willing to do it for KG. And didn’t do it for another player.
I think he’d trade something for a rental. But as he says, it depends on the package, ie not everything he would if he had a commitment.
Yet somehow this gets conveyed through as he’s all in and doesn’t care.
Celtics have the better assets, as I’ve said and some people can’t read, so if Ainge was all in, why negotiate with the Lakers at all this week? It’s very obvious and clear to all of you that 1. Ainge will offer everythjng 2. Celtics offer is vastly superior ...
So seriously, why are Pels ... who could be focused on Niko/Julius trade or NFL draft ...negotiating with Lakers who have “trash” assets? Is Ainge or anyone else going to increase offers they can’t make until June anyway just because the Lakers throw in more trash assets? Yet...clearly Pels and Lakers are talking. -
02-04-2019, 09:17 PMNMThreeMVP
Y’all are funny because the leverage/media reports that favor the Pels position are gospel... while the rest of the reports are biased media spin or only hurts those teams leverage.
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02-04-2019, 09:19 PMPelicanidaeOh for God's sake. How many times do people have to tell you that we ARE NOT CERTAIN that the Celtics will win the sweepstakes, and that we are not certain that he'll offer everything at once, and that even if he does, it's not the clear-cut best trade (NY still exists)?Quote:
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Like, do we have to preface every post with a long disclaimer? Come on, man, stop putting words in other people's mouths.
Ainge will never say anything that makes it sound like he's desperate or eager to throw assets at situations. He is a smart GM, and he has always been crafty. He is never going to go on the radio and sound like he's willing to spill everything he's got. Of course he's going to say it depends on the package, it depends on the deal, it depends on the player. Why on earth would he say something different and tank his position?? When has Ainge ever done that? He plays his cards close to his chest and don't put his foot in his mouth, that's why he does well.
We are negotiating with the Lakers because whilst they have the worst offer, they still have an offer, and you need to keep all interested parties on the hook so that there is a degree of competition between them. Close the Lakers down now, and you remove a leveraging partner in trade negotiations in the future. There's a reason that every offer they have given us has been rejected, dismissed as low-balling, etc etc, and a reason that Woj says that there has been little-to-no progress made: because LA are not there are a prime target, they are there as a tool to keep Boston and New York honest in their offers.
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02-04-2019, 09:20 PMPelicanidaeYou're the most condescending dude on this board not named Michael McNamara. Jesus Christ.Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:22 PMMythrolWhy are you still posting?Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:26 PMbahmamambaso you said you'd leave if anyone came o with ainge saying we don't care an yet here you are still talking that ******** lol do you feel good about your self??Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:33 PMNMThreeMVPThe sheer number of people responding with perspectives I disagree with and think are wrong, especially when they’re echoing the same biased and inconsistent conclusions is doing nothing for me.Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:35 PMPelicanidaeWay to completely dodge the actual point and content of the post. You've got some real talent in that, you've managed to skilfully ignore everyone's explanations in order to preserve the most isolated, myopic, and condescending position on the board. Well done.Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:39 PMTinmanWoj just posted- Ainge a urges Pels to wait on CelticsQuote:
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02-04-2019, 09:43 PMMythrol
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02-04-2019, 09:43 PMbahmamambaNotice how he's or she is supposed to be gone after his or hers Danny ainge thing and yet he or she is still here lol bc this person doeant have the balls to admit they're wrong....Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:45 PMNMThreeMVPLol. Is dissent not allowed?!?Quote:
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And I only became condescending (if you'd actually like to go back and review) when it was implied I'd said something I didn't (I'm very specific in what I say), and when it became obviously clear that you all could literally post Danny Ainge's words... and NOT READ THEM. -
02-04-2019, 09:45 PMPelicanidae
Yes. So far, the Lakers have felt conversations with New Orleans have been one-sided and they are growing increasingly pessimistic about the Pelicans willingness to do a deal with them. https://t.co/vbMEcLTHwY
— Ramona Shelburne (@ramonashelburne) February 5, 2019
Danny Ainge has encouraged the Pelicans to wait until the offseason to negotiate with the Celtics. Boston remains determined to try and partner Anthony Davis with Kyrie Irving for long-term, but plans to pursue AD regardless of Irving's free agency plans, per sources. https://t.co/Ft8rfe9EBZ
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) February 5, 2019
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02-04-2019, 09:45 PMbahmamambaOh no that doesn't count it didn't come straight from his mouth even though it did cough cough [emoji849]Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:47 PMMythrolWhen you have to call Woj, the most trusted reporter in the NBA, a liar simply to keep arguing your point...Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:47 PMPelicanidaeI posted Ainge's words, highlighted the key parts that I was literally responding to, and talked about a perspective on them. You can feel free to disagree about the interpretation of those words, but to dismiss everyone else as not being able to read because they disagree on the meaning of an intentionally ambiguous statement, and saying things like you blame their schooling, is just asking for vitriol.Quote:
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Dissent is allowed, sure, people on this board disagree about all kinds of things. I disagree with Tinman about the value of the Memphis pick, and we've had some talks about that. The difference is, is that Tinman listens to what I have to say, and puts forward counterarguments. You don't. You dismiss everythign everyone else says, then throws up smokescreen statements about nothing to avoid ever having to actually engage with the discussion. That doesn't get good results. -
02-04-2019, 09:48 PMbahmamambanah bruh you talked thst shot about going away people called you out and here you are still trying to save face even though you're literally the only person still not taking ainge word even though you think we should believe every laker rumour lmfaoQuote:
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02-04-2019, 09:48 PMbahmamambaI mean I'm saying and yet here we are lolQuote:
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02-04-2019, 09:51 PMPelicanidaeI would say it's not even a case of taking Ainge's word. It's about understanding the way GMs talk in public.Quote:
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NMThreeMVP seems to think that unless Ainge released a public statement, with his name attached to it, with an itemised list detailing his absolute willingness to trade every player for AD, regardless of what AD says, then we can't say anything.
NBA GMS never talk like that. It ruins their negotiating positions and risks tampering fines. You will not find Ainge saying things like that. Instead you have to read between the lines and make inferences. That means you can be wrong, or that sometimes there are multiple validinterpretations. Nobody is saying you can't disagree. It's just the difference between having an actual good faith discussion, and being a troll. -
02-04-2019, 09:52 PMbahmamambaI'd believe that if the idiot didn't believe everything the Lakers leaked and yet he doesQuote:
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02-04-2019, 09:53 PMImnos 2
I love reading Lakers Twitter. They saying stuff like 'why would they wait on the Celtics. Nothing they can add would be better than Ingram, Ball and zubac and picks.' LoL. Don't they realize that their young players aren't good enough. Their picks aren't good enough. Their overwhelming offer is pretty trash.
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02-04-2019, 09:54 PMUNO Gracias
What happens if the Celtics gets to the playoffs and Tatum and Brown go off again?
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02-04-2019, 09:55 PMPelicanidaeSaid it before, I'll say it again:Quote:
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LA Lakers are like billionaires. They have such a historical wealth, and such a heightened ego, and have gotten their way for so long, that the idea of somebody saying no to them is baffling and they believe things are inflated in value simply by association with them.
The example I used was Howard Schultz. He's come out and made many unpopular statements, he's polling awfully with every demographic, keeps getting owned every time he opens his mouth, but he will not stop because he believes that by virtue of being a billionaire, he's right inherently.
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02-04-2019, 09:55 PMMythrolThey lose to the Warriors.Quote:
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02-04-2019, 09:56 PMPelicanidaeUnless either of them average 30ppg on 50% efficiency, AD still has their playoff performances beat.Quote:
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02-04-2019, 10:04 PMmsusousaphoneYeah. If you're the Celtics, right now, not only are you wanting AD very badly to play for your team, you also see the Knicks as the next likely spot for him to land and that Kyrie is probably following him. So you're not just trying to build your super team, you're also trying to prevent one from forming in your cupcake conference. It's all or nothing for them and the Knicks.Quote:
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