New Orleans Pelicans NBA Trade Deadline Rumor Mill

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Can't bash the Rivers pick. At the time, he went where he should have and like you said, who else should Dell have taken?

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Actually taken a little bit higher than expected. Most people thought mid to late teens. I still think the tipping point for him being chosen was the relationship with his family.

It makes me SO MAD to think that Drummond went 1 pick before us.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

It makes me SO MAD to think that Drummond went 1 pick before us.

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Yeah, me too. However, I'll be honest, it scares me that even if he fell, I could see Dell/Monty picking Rivers.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Yeah, me too. However, I'll be honest, it scares me that even if he fell, I could see Dell/Monty picking Rivers.

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I was always worried about that possibility. I would have been so done w this franchise if we passed on Drummond and selected Rivers.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Yeah, me too. However, I'll be honest, it scares me that even if he fell, I could see Dell/Monty picking Rivers.

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I'll give them the benefit of the doubt lol. Would have been unbelievable.

Dell Demps inherited a **** team and actually has built a team with a lot of talent. It's on the coach to get the team to play well together.

The only move I question of Demps is Gordan, and I thought it was our best option at the time, so whatever. I think Dell is easily top 15 in the league, and I don't see any moves that should warrant a lower ranking.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Hope? Do you think Udoh would be an upgrade?

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Not really but that was the reported deal a week ago. Rivers for Udoh.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Dell Demps inherited a **** team and actually has built a team with a lot of talent. It's on the coach to get the team to play well together.

The only move I question of Demps is Gordan, and I thought it was our best option at the time, so whatever. I think Dell is easily top 15 in the league, and I don't see any moves that should warrant a lower ranking.

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Top 15? I am not that impressed. The best move he has made was drafting AD and he lucked into that. The Ryno signing was very good. The jury is still out on the Holiday trade and the Evans signing. I really liked the Belinelli, Vasquez and Lopez trades, but he gave all of them away again after a relatively short period.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Top 15? I am not that impressed. The best move he has made was drafting AD and he lucked into that. The Ryno signing was very good. The jury is still out on the Holiday trade and the Evans signing. I really liked the Belinelli, Vasquez and Lopez trades, but he gave all of them away again after a relatively short period.

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Okay so going from

Jack
Gordan
Ariza
Kaman
Okafor

To

Holiday
Gordan
Tyreke
Anderson
Davis

Isn't good enough to you?

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Okay so going from

Jack
Gordan
Ariza
Kaman
Okafor

To

Holiday
Gordan
Tyreke
Anderson
Davis

Isn't good enough to you?

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That's not what he started with.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

That's not what he started with.

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When did I say he started with that? Exactly...

In two years this team has improved talent wise by a TON! Now it's time for the coach and the players to deliver.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

He inherited a team that already decided to leave. He had no chance of keeping Paul and west. I decided to look at the last two years.

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Look at the team he started with and where he is now. He utilized those assets to get where he is today. Look at the record of the team he started with and the ones lately. I do not think he has done a terrible job at all. However, I think he has made his share of questionable moves. I also still cannot forget the trade he signed off on for CP3 that would likely have prevented us from getting AD (and in all likelihood, he would have been fired by now). He has gotten himself into a couple of sizeable long term deals that need to pay off for him to be considered a good GM (Gordon, Evans and Holiday).

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Look at the team he started with and where he is now. He utilized those assets to get where he is today. Look at the record of the team he started with and the ones lately. I do not think he has done a terrible job at all. However, I think he has made his share of questionable moves. I also still cannot forget the trade he signed off on for CP3 that would likely have prevented us from getting AD (and in all likelihood, he would have been fired by now). He has gotten himself into a couple of sizeable long term deals that need to pay off for him to be considered a good GM (Gordon, Evans and Holiday).

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So because the team declined from when we had Chris Paul and David West, Dell Demps is bad? You know Coaches and GMs can grow just like players. The past 2 years have been solid for Dell. If you dont agree, then maybe you should go find us a new GM. I'm waiting for the guy who you think would put this team over the top.

I actually think it's time for the coaches and players to step up. Dell has assembled a solid team after the CPME disaster.

ALSO, let that Laker's trade go... You can't judge him on something that didn't happen, especially when what actually happened was a positive move for the franchise.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So because the team declined from when we had Chris Paul and David West, Dell Demps is bad? You know Coaches and GMs can grow just like players. The past 2 years have been solid for Dell. If you dont agree, then maybe you should go find us a new GM. I'm waiting for the guy who you think would put this team over the top.

I actually think it's time for the coaches and players to step up. Dell has assembled a solid team after the CPME disaster.

ALSO, let that Laker's trade go... You can't judge him on something that didn't happen, especially when what actually happened was a positive move for the franchise.

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You seem to be making nothing but excuses for him. You most certainly can judge him by a trade he agreed to and had to be bailed out of. It would have changed the entire future of the Pelicans. What "actually happened" was orchestrated by his bosses. Also, you most certainly judge a GM by what he does with the assets he has at his disposal and how he shapes his team. I still think he gets an "incomplete." I want to see the direction of the team as it seems to be constantly moving. The Evans signing could end up being a terrible move for him if he cannot find something to do with Gordon. He invested $44 million on a guy that right now, does not fit the SF role or the Ginobili role he touted him for.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

That's not what he started with.

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Yeah, what he started with was even worse.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

You seem to be making nothing but excuses for him. You most certainly can judge him by a trade he agreed to and had to be bailed out of. It would have changed the entire future of the Pelicans. Also, you most certainly judge a GM by what he does with the assets he has at his disposal and how he shapes his team. I still think he gets an "incomplete." I want to see the direction of the team as it seems to be constantly moving. The Evans signing could end up being a terrible move for him if he cannot find something to do with Gordon. He invested $44 million on a guy that right now, does not fit the SF role or the Ginobili role he touted him for.

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I've pointed out in this thread mutliple times of the magic he has pulled off. You fail to acknowledge that, like usual. Have fun hating everything about this organization "Pelicans Fan."

Tyreke sure wasn't a terrible move when he was posting crazy numbers with Anderson. Typical.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

I've pointed out in this thread mutliple times of the magic he has pulled off. You fail to acknowledge that, like usual. Have fun hating everything about this organization "Pelicans Fan."

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You simply cannot understand that others may have a different opinion than yours. You get defensive whenever anyone disagrees with you. If you don't like it, so be it. Move on.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

You simply cannot understand that others may have a different opinion than yours. You get defensive whenever anyone disagrees with you. If you don't like it, so be it. Move on.

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The irony. I've pointed out multiple positive moves he's made. All the negative moves you've pointed out are "fake and didn't happen" and too early to judge. Yes, signing Gordan was a bad move, but other than that I don't see a bad move, and even the ones in question have onlly had like 6 months to develop... Talk about small sample size theatre.

Move on.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

The irony. I've pointed out multiple positive moves he's made. All the negative moves you've pointed out are "fake and didn't happen" and too early to judge. Yes, signing Gordan was a bad move, but other than that I don't see a bad move, and even the ones in question have onlly had like 6 months to develop... Talk about small sample size theatre.

Move on.

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So you like that we gave up a 1st rd pick for bayless which turned out to be a horrible move cause we traded him 1 month later for jack. Ok fair enough. Jarrett jack is worth a 1st rd pick.

What really happened with that CP3 to Lakers trade? From what I've read it was never discussed at the BOG meeting. Stern wasn't even the one who coined the phrase "basketball reasons". We all know Dell had to come up with something. CP3 wanted out and he had to come up with something. It was already understood by most that we wouldn't be getting full value for Paul. Is it possible the trade was discussed between Dell, the Rockets and CP3's camp? CJ and CP3's camp could've put it out there in the media hoping it would somehow be forced if they put it out there as already a done deal? One thing for certain, Dell had to come up with something. Paul wanted out. No one here knows what they would've done if they were GM. Some people were ready to get the fiasco over with and would've traded Paul for a bag of Skittles.

I don't really know what happened but I'm glad it did. And if he really cried upon leaving New Orleans I hope he cried because he wasn't going to the L.A. team he tried to get to. :nerner:

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

It makes me SO MAD to think that Drummond went 1 pick before us.

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I remain this way cause I wanted Henson after him and he went several picks after Rivers. He's not Drummond, but we wouldn't be looking for a big any longer. it would have been another piece to the five-piece puzzle

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Originally Posted by FlyGirl

What really happened with that CP3 to Lakers trade? From what I've read it was never discussed at the BOG meeting. Stern wasn't even the one who coined the phrase "basketball reasons". We all know Dell had to come up with something. CP3 wanted out and he had to come up with something. It was already understood by most that we wouldn't be getting full value for Paul. Is it possible the trade was discussed between Dell, the Rockets and CP3's camp? CJ and CP3's camp could've put it out there in the media hoping it would somehow be forced if they put it out there as already a done deal? One thing for certain, Dell had to come up with something. Paul wanted out. No one here knows what they would've done if they were GM. Some people were ready to get the fiasco over with and would've traded Paul for a bag of Skittles.

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The only thing I remember about that proposed trade with LA was that the Hornets were going to take on a TON of salary, and the NBA didn't want the eventual owner to have that kind of payroll on the books as they bought the team.

Stern took the bullet because he was speaking on behalf of the league, but somebody in the league office rang the alarm, and Stern squashed the deal.

That's my opinion... nothing more. No inside info nor did I hear this from anyone.

Things could always be worse

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

So you like that we gave up a 1st rd pick for bayless which turned out to be a horrible one move cause we traded him 1 month later for jack. Ok fair enough. Jarrett jack is worth a 1st rd pick.

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That first round pick was like 19th in the 2011 draft. I'm fine with that. Also, Portland turned around and traded that pick plus Joel Przybilla, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace. Charlotte with the 19th pick select Tobias Harris who was traded to Milkwaukee who was a no body until he came to Orlando last year and had a breakout season. I don't see how it was that bad. Jack was a player CPME wanted to play with and provided good things of the bench in our only playoff run.

That first round pick was protected 1-7 in 2011 and 1-8 2012-2014.

You are acting like we traded away the rights to the next Kobe Bryant... (we did that already)

Then not to mention. Jarrett jack was traded for the rights to edin bavcic.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Then not to mention. Jarrett jack was traded for the rights to edin bavcic.

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To make room for Anderson, is my understanding.

Hopefully tonight it Gordan's last game as a Pelican, but I'm not holding my breath. I just hope he survives tonight injury free.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

That first round pick was like 19th in the 2011 draft. I'm fine with that. Also, Portland turned around and traded that pick plus Joel Przybilla, Dante Cunningham, Sean Marks to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace. Charlotte with the 19th pick select Tobias Harris who was traded to Milkwaukee who was a no body until he came to Orlando last year and had a breakout season. I don't see how it was that bad. Jack was a player CPME wanted to play with and provided good things of the bench in our only playoff run.

That first round pick was protected 1-7 in 2011 and 1-8 2012-2014.

You are acting like we traded away the rights to the next Kobe Bryant... (we did that already)

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Dude you can't go that deep into a trade. The trade was a 1st rd pick for bayless who didn't last a month. Makes it a bad trade. So then we traded jack for the rights to edin bavcic. Ok so that pick wound up being Tobias Harris. That doesn't matter cause we could also say let's look at all the players after him we could of got such as Kenneth faired, jimmy butler, Reggie Jackson, Jordan Hamilton, chandler parsons, the fact is that it was a bad trade no matter how u slice the pie.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

To make room for Anderson, is my understanding.

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Oftentimes, one move is made to make room for another one. This is why a lot of fans have a hard time understanding some trades and deals. Not all trades are made for IMMEDIATE impact. This is why a GM's job is never done. Building and managing a roster can't possibly easy.

Also, when Dell traded a 2nd round pick for Brad Miller and 2 second round picks from Minnesota. Then he turns around and trades Jerom Dyson and Brad Miller to Suns and 2 second round picks back to Minnesota for Lopez and Warrick.

That's just sick business, imo.

I think Gordon is here through the season at least. Hopefully he plays injury free solid ball the rest of the year.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Hopefully tonight it Gordan's last game as a Pelican, but I'm not holding my breath. I just hope he survives tonight injury free.

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Hay we agree lol. Maybe he can drop a 30+ bomb to help out the cause.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Also, when Dell traded a 2nd round pick for Brad Miller and 2 second round picks from Minnesota. Then he turns around and trades Jerom Dyson and Brad Miller to Suns and 2 second round picks back to Minnesota for Lopez and Warrick.

That's just sick business, imo.

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Ok but where is any of that right now?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Dude you can't go that deep into a trade. The trade was a 1st rd pick for bayless who didn't last a month. Makes it a bad trade. So then we traded jack for the rights to edin bavcic. Ok so that pick wound up being Tobias Harris. That doesn't matter cause we could also say let's look at all the players after him we could of got such as Kenneth faired, jimmy butler, Reggie Jackson, Jordan Hamilton, chandler parsons, the fact is that it was a bad trade no matter how u slice the pie.

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You HAVE to go that deep into all trades.... One move sets up the next. That's the job of a GM.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Ok but where is any of that right now?

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Tyreke Evans.

He turned Jerome Dyson, Brad Miller, 2 second round picks, Pondexter, and Lopez into Tyreke Evans and Jeff Withey. I like it. Only 1 of those players Dell traded is actually valuable and it's Lopez.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Also, when Dell traded a 2nd round pick for Brad Miller and 2 second round picks from Minnesota. Then he turns around and trades Jerom Dyson and Brad Miller to Suns and 2 second round picks back to Minnesota for Lopez and Warrick.

That's just sick business, imo.

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That was a fantastic trade IMO. Lopez was a bargain for this team. However, he gave him away for nothing in order to pay Evans. That is why I think Evans needs to be a home run for him. He created a big hole at the 5 to overpay for a player at a position that we already had covered with Gordon (and thus far, has not been able to move Gordon).

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

You HAVE to go that deep into all trades.... One move sets up the next. That's the job of a GM.

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So it was planned all along to trade our 1st rd pick for bayless so we could flip him for jack?? If u believe that I have some ocean side property in Idaho I'd like u to buy.

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The greatest irony of the season will that Eric Gordon will be the healthiest Pelican of them all.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

That was a fantastic trade IMO. Lopez was a bargain for this team. However, he gave him away for nothing in order to pay Evans. That is why I think Evans needs to be a home run for him. He created a big hole at the 5 to overpay for a player at a position that we already had covered with Gordon (and thus far, has not been able to move Gordon).

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Exactyly. If you have to go that deep into trades then that move isn't any good right now caus Lopez isn't even here anymore. Evans is so he needs to be a home run as u said for any of that to matter. Can't have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

So it was planned all along to trade our 1st rd pick for bayless so we could flip him for jack?? If u believe that I have some ocean side property in Idaho I'd like u to buy.

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No it wasn't in the plans, but really how far can you predict in the NBA? Seriously. Like 1 week in advance at the most? If you want to grade microtransactions, go ahead. I'll continue to look at the big picture like I always do.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Tyreke Evans.

He turned Jerome Dyson, Brad Miller, 2 second round picks, Pondexter, and Lopez into Tyreke Evans and Jeff Withey. I like it. Only 1 of those players Dell traded is actually valuable and it's Lopez.

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Wrong. Our $$$ got Evans. Lopez was just a pawn to facilitate the trade.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Wrong. Our $$$ got Evans. Lopez was just a pawn to facilitate the trade.

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Not wrong. Without Lopez and Vasquez, the Kings match.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

No it wasn't in the plans, but really how far can you predict in the NBA? Seriously. Like 1 week in advance at the most? If you want to grade microtransactions, go ahead. I'll continue to look at the big picture like I always do.

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The big picture looks bright due to 1 thing. ANTHONY DAVIS. Without him the future is bleak at best. He is saving a few jobs right now. The point is the Gordon resigning isn't the only bad move he's made like u said. After a few bad signings died he compensate for them by making other moves? In a way yes but it was still a bad move to begin with. Like I said that '1st rd pick he traded could of been chandler parsons, Kenneth faired, jimmy butler n a couple others. Instead it ended up being Jarrett jack who was pretty much let go for nothing.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Not wrong. Without Lopez and Vasquez, the Kings match.

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Wasn't Lopez sent for the cap space? To Portland?

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Not wrong. Without Lopez and Vasquez, the Kings match.

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I agree with u 100% on another thing I see u said too. At some point this dam coach has to be held accountable for not getting the job done. U said the players too but the players accountability falls back to the gm cause he put them here.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

The big picture looks bright due to 1 thing. ANTHONY DAVIS. Without him the future is bleak at best. He is saving a few jobs right now. The point is the Gordon resigning isn't the only bad move he's made like u said. After a few bad signings died he compensate for them by making other moves? In a way yes but it was still a bad move to begin with. Like I said that '1st rd pick he traded could of been chandler parsons, Kenneth faired, jimmy butler n a couple others. Instead it ended up being Jarrett jack who was pretty much let go for nothing.

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Could have been, but if Dell si as bad as you say, do you have confidence he picks any of those players?

Also, I'm not ready to judge the Tyreke signing and Jrue in entirity. In the early stages, I like what I see, but I'm not in anyway calling it a failure like some think it is.

You keep going back to that 1 first round pick. Plus if you think those players ar so good, they could of changed our draft pick for AD, the only bright spot according to you. A transaction reaches farther than the initial level. It lives on for years and years, and it should be judged as so.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

The big picture looks bright due to 1 thing. ANTHONY DAVIS. Without him the future is bleak at best. He is saving a few jobs right now. The point is the Gordon resigning isn't the only bad move he's made like u said. After a few bad signings died he compensate for them by making other moves? In a way yes but it was still a bad move to begin with. Like I said that '1st rd pick he traded could of been chandler parsons, Kenneth faired, jimmy butler n a couple others. Instead it ended up being Jarrett jack who was pretty much let go for nothing.

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Could have been. It's not definite though. I need everyone to remember, it takes two. Sometimes 3. We can't just sit up here and say, oh, we could've had this guy and that guy. You HAVE to have a partner. Just because we don't have those guys doesn't mean Dell never inquired about any of them.

This almost reminds me of when we don't hear our names in trade rumors and we always assume it's because the GM isn't doing anything and he's just sitting on his hands, just because we don't hear about it. And then BOOM.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Wasn't Lopez sent for the cap space? To Portland?

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Vasquez went to Kings, Lopez went to Portland to clear room, and we got Tyreke and Withey in return.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Wasn't Lopez sent for the cap space? To Portland?

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3-team trade homie.

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The trade -- which can't be officially completed until July 10 -- will send Evans to the Pelicans via sign-and-trade, with Sacramento receiving guard Greivis Vasquez from the Pelicans and Portland acquiring New Orleans center Robin Lopez.

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