Yea they being a bit ridiculous. They need to just take their L and make a trade for the good of the team vibe.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 12:16 PMPels4Life
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08-10-2021, 12:29 PMJJackisangry
We couldn?t even get a protected first from Chicago for Lonzo (not even Markkanen for Lonzo), yet they want a first for Lauri? Ha. Hahahah.
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08-10-2021, 01:19 PMpelafanatic
"What likely happens to the teams that helped Lowry (Toronto) and Ball (New Orleans) get to new destinations?"
— Oleh Kosel (@OlehKosel) August 10, 2021
"If the Bogdanović case is a trusty guide … nothing."
Hit the link for more from @TheSteinLine https://t.co/PFmXhmIRkl
I apologize if this was said before but the thing about the Pels side is there was no malice. No ill-will. If anything, it's the Pels who were screwed by the Bulls and Rich Paul. If anything, if the Bulls have to give up draft pick compensation, it should go to the Pels. The fact that Lonzo agreed to a contract with the Bulls prior to Free Agency complletely derailed the Pelicans ability to extract any value in a Lonzo sign and trade.
Conspiracy theory, it was Griff who complained to the league about the tampering. Is it coincidence that the two players that the tampering allegations are centered around are also the two players who were the centerpieces of the Pels offseason? -
08-10-2021, 02:10 PMpelafanatic
Josh Hart has now taken “New Orleans Pelicans #3” out of his bio �� pic.twitter.com/uVm4Gt4IiS
— Pelicans Discord (@PelicansDiscord) August 10, 2021
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08-10-2021, 03:00 PMPELSGIRLI don't get this Hart situation. Has any team asked to pick him up?Quote:
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08-10-2021, 03:07 PMhornetzplayaApparently the Wolves have "Kicked the tires" on Hart & Schroder. maybe a double S& T for Vanderbilt?Quote:
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08-10-2021, 03:40 PMb_l_p
I haven't watched many Wolves games, but has Culver been that terrible? From 6th pick in 2019 to being shopped around for a 2nd rd pick, per reports.
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08-10-2021, 04:28 PMFreyfamilyreuniHis stats from last year look pretty dismal. A little over five points a game and shooting 24% from three. I don’t know how that compares to other second year players, but it looks pretty meager.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 04:30 PMpelafanaticIt's because he's owed 6 mil this year with a TO next year for 8 mil. In comparison, Naji Marshall is the same size and only one year older and is making 1.5 mil next season and 1.7 mil the following with a TO for 2 mil in 2023 (wow thats an incredible contract).Quote:
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Culver last season:
34 games, 15 mpg, 5.3 ppg, 3 rpg, 1 apg, 41/25/60% shooting
Naji last season:
32 games, 21 mpg, 7.7 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.8 apg, 39/35/70% shooting
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08-10-2021, 04:33 PMluckyman
So I'm going to assume Devonte Graham will be the starting pg this year. Not like that is foreign to him since he's started >80% of his games the last 2 years.
That means the thin spot shifts to SG. There is a potential S&T player that would slot nicely right in if they don't bring back Hart. Wont say who that is for fear of the jinx. Plus that potential S&T partner could really use a Josh Hart on it.
Will be interesting to see what finally happens. This Hart situation been eerily quiet. -
08-10-2021, 04:42 PMDarkhorse985Why is SG thin?Quote:
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08-10-2021, 04:45 PMpelafanaticThis team still makes so much more sense with Hield instead of Sato, all things considered.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 04:50 PMSleeperI?m assuming if we trade for Hield, Sato would be going out too but that would make too much sense.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 04:51 PMTaker597And we got Point Zion/Ingram, but hopefully we won't overindulge on that rotation. Put Graham and Murphy out there as catch and shoot threatsQuote:
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Graham, Murphy, and Ingram is a serious catch and shoot threat.
Last year catch and shoot.
Ingram - 42%
Graham - 42%
Murphy - 41%
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08-10-2021, 04:54 PMpelafanaticThere's a world where you combine Sato and Hart's salaries to trade for Hield without having to take him in the TPE. Then you still have the 17.5 million dollar TPE to play with at the deadline with a lineup of:Quote:
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SG- Hield, Graham, Didi
SF- BI, Murphy, Naji, Temple
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08-10-2021, 04:56 PMDarkhorse985Correct me if I’m wrong but since the Lonzo trade is formal, Satoransky can’t be traded until December, right?Quote:
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08-10-2021, 04:59 PMpelafanaticQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkhorse985
If there's only a 19 day wait until re-aggregation, then the dream still lives. And that would apply to non-Buddy players as well.
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) August 10, 2021
In other words, if the Hart situation doesn't resolve itself in the next 2 weeks, something is up! https://t.co/Vz1kZF1mQM
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08-10-2021, 05:00 PMSleeperThink you?re right but i am hoping for a loophole since it was in a sign and trade deal. LolQuote:
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08-10-2021, 05:02 PMSleeperGood find!Quote:
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08-10-2021, 05:07 PMSleeperPels Off season threadShamit confirmed that the 19 day wait is correct in the comments of the original tweet.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 05:13 PMSleeperThen who do we trade Temple for with that TPE at the deadline? That?d give us 25.5 million to be able to take on huh? Oh the possibilities!Quote:
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08-10-2021, 05:20 PMTaker597A small ball line up with Graham , Hield, Ingram, Murphy, and Zion would be wild.Quote:
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Or go Tall Boi with Point Zion
Zion
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Ingram
Hayes
Jonas
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08-10-2021, 05:42 PMMichaelMcNamaraFor the 400th year in a row....you cant combine a salary with a TPE to take on moreQuote:
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08-10-2021, 05:46 PMbradaelWhich is why TPEs are rarely used.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 05:47 PMSleeperWhat are you a vampire? Oh ok well that actually makes me feel better because i wouldn?t want all that salary back anyway unless an expiring. Can we use the TPE to sign someone next offseason?Quote:
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08-10-2021, 06:00 PMFedupfanNow if a man is over 400 years old, why do y’all always question him? The chances are he has seen all these scenarios.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 06:42 PMozwego15
Free agent G Dennis Schroder has agreed to a one-year deal with the Boston Celtics, sources tell ESPN.
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08-10-2021, 07:02 PMPelicanidaeDon't be silly. If he's over 400 years old he almost certainly has some form of intense memory issues.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 07:06 PMPELICANSFANTop candidate for biggest idiot in NBA history. Arrogance took over his mind.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 07:11 PMramsters60this is absolutely true for a man this old when it comes to knowledge of the NBA salary cap and all its many intricacies.... things like personnel evaluation, trade ideas, etc. etc. can be addressed and discussed competently by many, many reasonably aged people too....Quote:
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08-10-2021, 07:17 PMmsusousaphone
I'd even throw out the possibility that it was learning the intricacies of the NBA salary cap that aged MM 400 years.
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08-10-2021, 07:41 PMPelicanidaeLike something out of a Lovecraft novel; the depths to which the CBA goes is beyond knowledge man was meant to know and any who gaze upon it are driven mad by the revelation.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 07:43 PMsmcgull
PG---Devonte'Graham
SG---Trey Murphy
SF---Brandon Ingram
PF---Zion Williamson
C----Jonas Valanciunas
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08-10-2021, 07:48 PMramsters60I'm of a mind that this team might be deep enough to come up with several pretty fascinating 5 player groupings.....Quote:
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08-10-2021, 08:00 PMTaker597I like the tall Boi rotation, but that seems like a year or two away.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 08:13 PMHornetGuru
NAW needs to be in the starting rotation IMO
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08-10-2021, 08:17 PMPelicanidae
What I find amusing is that, in the event that a Buddy trade goes through - as mentioned previously in the thread, such a thing is still technically possible (or will become possible quite quickly) and there were at least some discussions about it - Griff will be at least mildly vindicated in one thing .
This happened at the end of last seasons:
https://www.nola.com/sports/pelicans...077ea3926.htmlQuote:
This season, no one in the NBA got beat up worse in the 3-point battleground than the Pelicans, who allowed the second-most 3s per game (14.5) while making the fourth-fewest (10.6). On the final day of the regular season, executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin said addressing that disparity is one of his chief objectives this offseason.
“We will not be in this position again,” Griffin said.
Well, saying that we will not be a shooting deficient team again and then turning around and adding Devonte' Graham, Trey Murphy, Buddy Hield, and swapping out Adams for Jonas would be a pretty clear path towards fixing that problem.
Last season, among all players to take at least 5 catch and shoot 3s a game, Devonte' and Buddy were 5th and 15th in percentage respectively (42.3% and 39.6% each).
From players to take at least 3 pull-up 3s a game, Buddy was 8th in the NBA in percentage (38.4%).
Trey Murphy, obviously not in the NBA, shot 43.3% from 3 on 10.7 attempts per 100, and shot 40.1% on 12.3 per 100 for his overall college career.
All three players shot at least 84% from the FT line in their last season played:
92.7% his final college season for Trey
84.6% for Buddy last season (Career 86.3% FT shooter)
84.2% for Devonte' last season (career 82.2% FT shooter)
Last season we were 29th in FT% in the NBA, shooting 72.9% from the stripe as a team. Only one player who logged at least 1000 minutes for the team shot better than 80% from the FT line on the season, and that was Ingram. And even if you loosen the restriction on minutes and just look at the top 10 minutes getters for the team, you only add one more guy who shot better than 80% from the line, and that was Kira at 84.3%.
Adding Trey, Buddy, and Devonte also fixes - to a large extent - our ''being awful at FTs'' problem. -
08-10-2021, 08:38 PMDroopyDawgNAW can be our "Manu". Comes off the bench but plays a ton of minutes.Quote:
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What did I miss about the pels getting Buddy? Does that have any legs? I know Hart pretty much removed all Pelicans stuff from his social media. -
08-10-2021, 08:43 PMluckyman
NAW needs to absolutely be given 1st crack as the starter even if they were to trade for Buddy. He is the better overall player with still more upside.
Only issue is Buddy's base contract declines each year and is incentive laden. So he'll want as many minutes as possible. -
08-10-2021, 08:48 PMPelicanidaeFischer wrote an article for Bleacher Report in which he mentioned that there was some interest between the Pels and Kings in a S&T regarding Hart for Buddy. He also wrote that it is unclear if there is still any interest in such a thing, given that Hart still hasn't been signed by the Pelicans. He didn't give a huge amount of detail, and he was quite clear that it's not an active thing in process, but he's been pretty on the ball for a while now so I wouldn't be surprised if there was something at least on the table at some point. Whether it was serious or just enquiry is another matter, and whether it will actually happen is a third, entirely separate matter on top of that.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 10:06 PMSleeperhttps://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-...195237157.htmlQuote:
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08-10-2021, 10:16 PMredrumand adding Valančiūnas for Adams is also a huge FT% upgrade!Quote:
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08-10-2021, 10:30 PMSleeperI think a poster here also mentioned that Val was once a pretty good three point shooter before Memphis. Due to their scheme in Memphis, he just wasn?t asked to spread the floor much. Will be interesting to see if they tap into his skills when he was with Toronto. He has the ability to shoot. Just hasn?t been using it.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 10:32 PMDroopyDawgCool thanks.Quote:
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08-10-2021, 11:15 PMPelicanidaeI think for Jonas it depends what you mean by good three point shooter. Generally speaking, his percentages have been good but the volume has been pretty low.Quote:
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He's his career so far from 3:
2012-13 until the end of 2016-17 (363 games played): 1/4 from 3
2017-18: 30/74 from 3 (40.5%) in 77 games
2018-19: 14/48 from 3 (29.2%) in 49 games
2019-20: 32/91 from 3 (35.2%) in 70 games
2020-21: 21/57 from 3 (36.8%) in 62 games
Overall career: 98/274 from 3 (35.8%) in 621 games - 0.4 attempts per game. If you ignore his first 5 seasons, where he just never attempted any at all, then you get 97/270 (35.9%) in 258 games, or about 1 per game.
He actually had very arguably his best 3pt shooting years in Memphis, compared to Toronto. The volume is just super low. Could it be a Brook Lopez thing where he's not a shooter until he goes to a team that suddenly tells him to launch and then out of nowhere he's a stretch 5? I guess it's not impossible, the percentages so far in his career are solid enough despite the low volume and he's a good FT shooter, but it's not something you want to be just assuming as a gimme. Would be an absolute career year for him as a shooter if he was even just 2 attempts a game, and the effect that has on spacing is basically zero. -
08-10-2021, 11:40 PMSleeperQuote:
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Yeah i?ll admit i went to wikepedia because his name is hard to spell. Here is what i saw:Quote:
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08-11-2021, 12:10 AMredrumI was responding to a post about free throw percentage, adding Valančiūnas and dropping Adams will help this team in that area immensely.Quote:
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08-11-2021, 12:14 AMPelicanidaeYeah, he shot 50% from 3 that year.Quote:
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08-11-2021, 01:49 AMnew city champDepending on late moves, I could actually see the depth chart looking more like?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell
PG: Graham, Lewis, Satoransky
SG: NAW, Marshall, Louzada
SF: Ingram, Murphy, Temple
PF: Williamson, Jones, Gabriel
C: Valanciunas, Hayes, Hernangomez
Not that all those guys will see minutes, but I think the two rooks are mature enough to crack the rotation, at some point. If we bring back Hart or add Hield or Markkanen obviously things would change up? -
08-11-2021, 07:20 AMMichaelMcNamara
Dept Charts are more for football IMO. In a game that is positionless, especially in staggered lineups, I think its more productive to imagine rotations. So, what is the...
Starting Lineup:
Staggered Lineup #1 (5 min mark of 1st to the end of the quarter)
Staggered Lineup #2 (Beginning of the 2nd quarter lineup)
Finishing lineup
Usually teams go 9 deep. Maybe 10 at the most. And when you do that exercise, I think it is pretty to see that a "backup PF" isnt as needed as when you do the football style depth chart