Free Agency Thread

Not that I can find.

This trade works, but Knicks and Nets would both need picks and I don't know where those picks come from. Houston doesn't have many and I don't want to give away too many of ours.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7tb6p4d

Knicks get Asik, Quarterman, Onuaku, pick(s)
Nets get Anderson, Moore, pick(s)
Rockets get Melo
Pels get Lin, Lee

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

This trade works, but Knicks and Nets would both need picks and I don't know where those picks come from. Houston doesn't have many and I don't want to give away too many of ours.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7tb6p4d

Knicks get Asik, Quarterman, Onuaku, pick(s)
Nets get Anderson, Moore, pick(s)
Rockets get Melo
Pels get Lin, Lee

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So we get two good players and all it cost was a decent player and dumping Asik's $32 Million without picks?
Why would NY do this again?
Why would Brooklyn lose an asset to take on $84 Million in salary?

If we are able to get rid of Asik, one first round pick lightly protected and another heavily would be ok with me.


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This trade also wouldn't upset me, provided the Pels were only giving up 1 pick.

Pels get Lee, Jackson, Marjonovic
Knicks get poopoo platter of waiver candidates: Asik, Ajinca, QPon, 2Panes, Quarterman, Onuaku, picks
Rockets get Melo
Pistons get Anderson, Moore

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabzd38x

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I'm upset about this one. I think he could have really helped us.

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If what was on the bird writes was correct, we don't have enough of the MLE available to even match that offer. I believe they said somewhere around 4.3 per year is all we can offer.

Our best chance for a good player will be a trade.

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Originally Posted by Jabberwalker

So we get two good players and all it cost was a decent player and dumping Asik's $32 Million without picks?
Why would NY do this again?
Why would Brooklyn lose an asset to take on $84 Million in salary?

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Obviously for picks. Picks would have to come from Rockets and Pels.

Also, I'm not sure how or why some have inflated the cost of acquiring Jeremy Lin, who was hurt most of last year. It should not cost a 1st to get Lin.

Is it true that WWL radio is reporting Ryno may be returning back to New Orleans? Not sure if it's true since I'm not in new Orleans but word was it was mentioned on the radio.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Obviously for picks. Picks would have to come from Rockets and Pels.

Also, I'm not sure how or why some have inflated the cost of acquiring Jeremy Lin, who was hurt most of last year. It should not cost a 1st to get Lin.

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What about a different thought process. Orlando Magic. They have 4 identicals at 2-3 . Anybody like Hezonja ? They have Fournier, Ross, Herzonja & Payton at wing. The roster is Full of guards. Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Is it true that WWL radio is reporting Ryno may be returning back to New Orleans? Not sure if it's true since I'm not in new Orleans but word was it was mentioned on the radio.

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Oh God no. We pay Jrue 25 million & now are gonna pay Anderson 20? Ugh! I'd rather EGo !

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Is it true that WWL radio is reporting Ryno may be returning back to New Orleans? Not sure if it's true since I'm not in new Orleans but word was it was mentioned on the radio.

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I'm sorry but that would be hilarious 😂

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It just seems like Rockets are not giving up enough in proposed trades. They are the ones needing to obtain 3rd and 4th teams to make a trade work. Their picks are I think limited and assets such as Cappella would have to go out. Knicks really don't need to trade him at this point and want assets. Reports are they don't want Anderson (http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/12/...anthony-trade/). We have nothing to offer really. Will be interesting trade if it goes through.

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Originally Posted by shanesy

Seems like Pelicans want to be apart of the Melo to Houston trade? No indication on players though.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/12/knicks-...icans-want-in/

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Lee?

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Originally Posted by shanesy

It just seems like Rockets are not giving up enough in proposed trades. They are the ones needing to obtain 3rd and 4th teams to make a trade work. Their picks are I think limited and assets such as Cappella would have to go out. Knicks really don't need to trade him at this point and want assets. Reports are they don't want Anderson (http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/12/...anthony-trade/). We have nothing to offer really. Will be interesting trade if it goes through.

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No one in their right mind would want Anderson and that albatross of a contract. I rather asik rotting on the pine for the next 3 years fully guaranteed.

Agreed, I really hope it isn't us getting him.

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Originally Posted by shanesy

It just seems like Rockets are not giving up enough in proposed trades. They are the ones needing to obtain 3rd and 4th teams to make a trade work. Their picks are I think limited and assets such as Cappella would have to go out. Knicks really don't need to trade him at this point and want assets. Reports are they don't want Anderson (http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/12/...anthony-trade/). We have nothing to offer really. Will be interesting trade if it goes through.

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Carmelo's no trade clause doesn't really give the Knicks much leverage. The fear for them is that in this market, Melo opts in next year. No one else is going to pay him close to the $28m he's owed. In order to trade him, they're going to have to match salary. For the Knicks, a bunch of non guaranteed, expirings, and buy out candidates might be the best they can hope for with the addition of a pick, or 2.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Carmelo's no trade clause doesn't really give the Knicks much leverage. The fear for them is that in this market, Melo opts in next year. No one else is going to pay him close to the $28m he's owed. In order to trade him, they're going to have to match salary. For the Knicks, a bunch of non guaranteed, expirings, and buy out candidates might be the best they can hope for with the addition of a pick, or 2.

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Exactly. Not like the guy is how Kobe was to the Lakers. I bet the Knicks are trying to find ways to get rid of him so they can get a clean slate. Especially since Melo has failed to recruit the talent he touted he could get. I think Melo is warming up to being the recruited.


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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

This trade also wouldn't upset me, provided the Pels were only giving up 1 pick.

Pels get Lee, Jackson, Marjonovic
Knicks get poopoo platter of waiver candidates: Asik, Ajinca, QPon, 2Panes, Quarterman, Onuaku, picks
Rockets get Melo
Pistons get Anderson, Moore

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabzd38x

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I don't see how this helps the Knicks

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Originally Posted by tyler

I don't see how this helps the Knicks

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The Knicks are in a WORSE position than the Pacers were with Paul George. The Knicks are going to get as many buyout/expiring guys as they can get, and hope they also get an asset/pick. They're done with Carmelo, and the worst case scenario for them is him option into his 2018/19 contract at $28m.

The Knicks owe Melo $54m. Doing this deal could save them $20m or more. That's not an insignificant thing.

Makes sense with creating a clean slate for the Knicks. We just can't be that salary dump for Anderson.

I'm hearing that about Anderson also but I just don't know how or why we would take him back with that contract but Joel Myers stated earlier that we had something up our sleeve for a shooter I just hope Ryno isn't it . I like RA just not that contract .


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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

The Knicks are in a WORSE position than the Pacers were with Paul George. The Knicks are going to get as many buyout/expiring guys as they can get, and hope they also get an asset/pick. They're done with Carmelo, and the worst case scenario for them is him option into his 2018/19 contract at $28m.

The Knicks owe Melo $54m. Doing this deal could save them $20m or more. That's not an insignificant thing.

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I would take either the lin or jackson trade and be ecstatic for the season. Courtney Lee is that shooter we need too.


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I think if the Pelicans are going to help a division rival get a player like Carmelo, I think they've got to get a something good out of the deal.

I was thinking taking Anderson back wouldn't be so bad if we moved Asik AND Hill's contract in that same trade. One goes to Hou, other to NY. Knicks could get two solid SF's back in Hill and Ariza. Then I remembered how atrocious Anderson is on defense.

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

I'm hearing that about Anderson also but I just don't know how or why we would take him back with that contract but Joel Myers stated earlier that we had something up our sleeve for a shooter I just hope Ryno isn't it . I like RA just not that contract .


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Question of fit. Anderson is Anderson, but as a spacer for a twin tower set he becomes much much more valuable. And since you would be giving up at least 1 huge dead money contract in the deal, there's a lot of upside to such a deal.

Cousins
Davis
Anderson
Diallo
spare center

frontcourt becomes really complete in a hurry.

And with Ryno able to swing down to SF to be an anti-Hill in behemoth Cousins/Davis/Anderson frontcourt sets, you can create some very potent lineups.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

I was thinking taking Anderson back wouldn't be so bad if we moved Asik AND Hill's contract in that same trade. One goes to Hou, other to NY. Knicks could get two solid SF's back in Hill and Ariza. Then I remembered how atrocious Anderson is on defense.

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Lol no kidding. We can't have that. We need two way players to make this work. If it would shed cap for us to go get Wall next season i'd be all for it but it doesn't seem that could work.


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Dell sees an opportunity to acquire Ryno and an asset for his trouble. A player he lost for nothing last year.

Houston gives up Ryno and Ariza

New York Knicks give up Melo, Lee

Pelicans give up Hill, QPon, and unguaranteed poo poo plater.

The only hang up here is ego and optics. The Knicks want more than a Rockets future pick, Houston wants (and needs) another rotation piece because depth is an issue plus they feel like they are giving up a lot.

Dell is gambling and being opportunistic. I can't blame him.


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Anderson back here on a 20 million a year contract to play less then 20 mins behind AD/Cousins is cap management criminality.

Get us Ariza and help shed salary or something and I would be ok.

If we give up Hill and all we get back is Anderson, we're screwed. We already have no wing depth as it is. Hill isn't perfect, but he fills an important role on the current roster.

Free agent Jonas Jerebko has agreed to a two-year, $8.2M deal with Utah, league source tells ESPN.

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Anderson back here on a 20 million a year contract to play less then 20 mins behind AD/Cousins is cap management criminality.

Get us Ariza and help shed salary or something and I would be ok.

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20 million for Ryan Anderson is insane. 27.5 million for Anderson and Ariza is worth considering if you're looking at a 12 month snap shot.

I'm not saying I like it, I'm just trying to figure out what our play here is.


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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Anderson back here on a 20 million a year contract to play less then 20 mins behind AD/Cousins is cap management criminality.

Get us Ariza and help shed salary or something and I would be ok.

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Well the less than 20min thing I think would be doubtful. You figure even without any SF minutes at all, and even without the extra minutes you pile up when one or the other of the Towers is out, there are still 24-26 nightly frontcourt minutes available beyond Cousins/Davis. Then a few games where he's available but Davis is not, or he's available and Cousins is not. Some mega-lineup minutes where he plays SF next to the Towers to provide a huge and scary scoring counter to Hill's normal statless minutes there. I don't know what the number would be, but it would be easy enough to see him average 25min on the year.

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

20 million for Ryan Anderson is insane. 27.5 million for Anderson and Ariza is worth considering if you're looking at a 12 month snap shot.

I'm not saying I like it, I'm just trying to figure out what our play here is.


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Has anyone heard who the 4th team may be?

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

20 million for Ryan Anderson is insane. 27.5 million for Anderson and Ariza is worth considering if you're looking at a 12 month snap shot.

I'm not saying I like it, I'm just trying to figure out what our play here is.


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How about $8 million for Ryno while you lose Asik?

Ariza recruited CP3 to Houston. They're close. I don't see them trading Ariza.

Anderson can't play small forward. That would be a disaster. For better or worse, this team will need Hill to play well at small forward this year.

My best hope out of being a part of this deal is getting back Courtney Lee. Lee would be a great 3 point threat to add.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Ariza recruited CP3 to Houston. They're close. I don't see them trading Ariza.

Anderson can't play small forward. That would be a disaster. For better or worse, this team will need Hill to play well at small forward this year.

My best hope out of being a part of this deal is getting back Courtney Lee. Lee would be a great 3 point threat to add.

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Ryno eating some spot SF minutes depends on matchups.

He can't play SF if LeBron or Paul George are there.

But what about Danilo Galinari? or Mo Harkless? or Jeff Green?

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Originally Posted by Bricklayer

Ryno eating some spot SF minutes depends on matchups.

He can't play SF if LeBron or Paul George are there.

But what about Danilo Galinari? or Mo Harkless? or Jeff Green?

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Gallinari and Green play a lot of PF in the modern NBA. Its not smart to pay Anderson $20m for a specialist role.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Ariza recruited CP3 to Houston. They're close. I don't see them trading Ariza.

Anderson can't play small forward. That would be a disaster. For better or worse, this team will need Hill to play well at small forward this year.

My best hope out of being a part of this deal is getting back Courtney Lee. Lee would be a great 3 point threat to add.

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I didn't know Lee was that good of a 3 PT shooter.

Ryno is never playing a minute at SF. Just stop.

$20m for 3 years for Ryno is absolutely insane. I have been a pretty consistent defender that Dell has not screwed up every move and things are a lot more nuanced; don't look at things in a vacuum; let's wait and see how things play out, etc.

If we traded for Ryno I would immediately call for Dell to be fired and publicly disgraced. There is almost no situation where i would be ok with taking Ryno back. Ariza? Hell no. Houston could offer us two future 1st round picks and I would laugh Morey off of the phone. For as much crap as Dell gets for "giving out bad contracts" I think 20m/yr 4 years for Ryno is worse than any deal Dell has ever done. And we're going to take him back? No way.

People complain about Asik being dead money. . . Ryno would be $60m over 3 years tied up in dead money for our most stacked position. He would stunt the growth of a Diallo. It would be 20m sitting on the bench to close out games.

No, no. No. There is no argument anyone could make that would make sense for us to ever take on Ryno and his contract. Houston and New York combined might not have enough assets that would make taking on Ryno's contract worth it.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Ariza recruited CP3 to Houston. They're close. I don't see them trading Ariza.

Anderson can't play small forward. That would be a disaster. For better or worse, this team will need Hill to play well at small forward this year.

My best hope out of being a part of this deal is getting back Courtney Lee. Lee would be a great 3 point threat to add.

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I would go out on a limb that Melo and CP3 are closer. The addition of PJ Tucker eases the blow, as well.


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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Ryno is never playing a minute at SF. Just stop.

$20m for 3 years for Ryno is absolutely insane. I have been a pretty consistent defender that Dell has not screwed up every move and things are a lot more nuanced; don't look at things in a vacuum; let's wait and see how things play out, etc.

If we traded for Ryno I would immediately call for Dell to be fired and publicly disgraced. There is almost no situation where i would be ok with taking Ryno back. Ariza? Hell no. Houston could offer us two future 1st round picks and I would laugh Morey off of the phone. For as much crap as Dell gets for "giving out bad contracts" I think 20m/yr 4 years for Ryno is worse than any deal Dell has ever done. And we're going to take him back? No way.

People complain about Asik being dead money. . . Ryno would be $60m over 3 years tied up in dead money for our most stacked position. He would stunt the growth of a Diallo. It would be 20m sitting on the bench to close out games.

No, no. No. There is no argument anyone could make that would make sense for us to ever take on Ryno and his contract. Houston and New York combined might not have enough assets that would make taking on Ryno's contract worth it.

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You're right. To an extent. What do you think is the nature of Dells interest in getting involved in this deal? I'm genuinely curious.


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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Ariza recruited CP3 to Houston. They're close. I don't see them trading Ariza.

Anderson can't play small forward. That would be a disaster. For better or worse, this team will need Hill to play well at small forward this year.

My best hope out of being a part of this deal is getting back Courtney Lee. Lee would be a great 3 point threat to add.

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Ariza has to be traded for them to match/absorb Melo's salary. The salaries of the players at the bottom of Houston's roster still wouldn't be enough to combine with Anderson's

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

I didn't know Lee was that good of a 3 PT shooter.

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He's probably the best 3 point shooter we might be able to realistically acquire. If we get him and Jackson, I could see some 3 guard line ups at times during the season.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Ariza has to be traded for them to match/absorb Melo's salary. The salaries of the players at the bottom of Houston's roster still wouldn't be enough to combine with Anderson's

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Not true.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabzd38x

Anderson, Lee, and a DRose s&t all to us is intriguing, although expensive on the cap. Make the trade worthwhile as much as possible.

Listen, I agree that most circumstances that involve Anderson coming back to NOLA are non starters. However, we know that the fundamental roadblock to this deal is NYKs refusal to accept Anderson. Logic tells us that any subsequent teams added to the deal are to answer that question 1st and foremost. I just don't see any other play. Not saying I agree or disagree. I'd Be interested in hearing other theories.


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How likely is it that the fourth team is either Detroit or Phoenix? Could we parlay this into Jackson, Bledsoe, or Knight without giving up as much as in a straight up trade? I just don't want to see us take on too much salary for a guy like Ryno that would be a backup. We need guard help and maybe a small forward. Taking on salary for those positions would be tolerable if they are even average NBA level starters. Taking on 20 mil per for any backup is too much. If they aren't playing over 30 minutes a game that would be way too much.

Detroit needs a PF and he has history with Van Gundy is only thing that may make sense but the $20 million is what doesn't make sense.

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Listen, I agree that most circumstances that involve Anderson coming back to NOLA are non starters. However, we know that the fundamental roadblock to this deal is NYKs refusal to accept Anderson. Logic tells us that any subsequent teams added to the deal are to answer that question 1st and foremost. I just don't see any other play. Not saying I agree or disagree. I'd Be interested in hearing other theories.


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Would a fourth team want Ryno? What would they have to give up or receive for taking him? I don't think Phoenix would want him for obvious reasons. What about Detroit?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Not true.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabzd38x

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That gives NY 4 Centers and basically players they won't ever use. Swallowing Asik's contract and never seeing him play again. Ajinca won't see the floor. Other 4 they get back waived right after the trade. I guess it wouldn't matter if they just care about getting several first round picks back and Melo contract off the books.