Pelicans Centric 2022 Top-10 Prospects

Pels most likely picks are 8 or 9. I would say, with almost 100% certainty that Ivey, Paolo, Smith, Chet, and Sharpe will be gone.

Keegan, like 80% chance he is gone (though when you look at past fallers, it is often older wings (Kawhi, Granger, etc)

I am hoping someone falls in love with Duren, and that should push some people back. But I really think it is Mathurin as the best combo of likely to be there, and guy Pels love.

To me, the biggest debate will be if Pels get 4 and Chet, Smith, and Ivey are gone. Do you go Paolo or Sharpe? I think it would be dishonest for anyone to say they have Sharpe higher in a vacuum, but you can tell yourself they are in the same "tier" and that Sharpe is the bigger need skillset wise and position wise

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Pels most likely picks are 8 or 9. I would say, with almost 100% certainty that Ivey, Paolo, Smith, Chet, and Sharpe will be gone.

Keegan, like 80% chance he is gone (though when you look at past fallers, it is often older wings (Kawhi, Granger, etc)

I am hoping someone falls in love with Duren, and that should push some people back. But I really think it is Mathurin as the best combo of likely to be there, and guy Pels love.

To me, the biggest debate will be if Pels get 4 and Chet, Smith, and Ivey are gone. Do you go Paolo or Sharpe? I think it would be dishonest for anyone to say they have Sharpe higher in a vacuum, but you can tell yourself they are in the same "tier" and that Sharpe is the bigger need skillset wise and position wise

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I go with Sharpe in that situation just because of fit and because I still live in a world where the Zion situation is fixable. No point in drafting someone who plays Zion or BI's spot in the lineup unless you have a REAL trade lined up and not just one where you get 50 cents on the dollar in return for Zion. Make that asset count, don't just give it away and if you can't make it count then figure out how to re-integrate him into the organization.

In short, Sharpe and Mathurin > Paolo

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Pels most likely picks are 8 or 9. I would say, with almost 100% certainty that Ivey, Paolo, Smith, Chet, and Sharpe will be gone.

Keegan, like 80% chance he is gone (though when you look at past fallers, it is often older wings (Kawhi, Granger, etc)

I am hoping someone falls in love with Duren, and that should push some people back. But I really think it is Mathurin as the best combo of likely to be there, and guy Pels love.

To me, the biggest debate will be if Pels get 4 and Chet, Smith, and Ivey are gone. Do you go Paolo or Sharpe? I think it would be dishonest for anyone to say they have Sharpe higher in a vacuum, but you can tell yourself they are in the same "tier" and that Sharpe is the bigger need skillset wise and position wise

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Slightly off topic, but do you know what the Pelicans' thoughts were on Josh Primo? They obviously saw him while scouting Herb at Alabama, and I wonder if they would've considered him, had Trey not been there. A lot of Spurs' fans now seem to worry he was a reach at #12. I was never a fan of the pick, and had Trey and Moses Moody ahead of him.

No huge surprise, but Sharpe is official as of today. I like it because if nothing else, it pushes another good prospect down to 8 or so.

Jabari Smith is my guy. Long wing (6'10 with 7'1 wingspan) that can shoot and defend. Can also get his own shot and long enough to play some small ball 4/5. Wish he'd last til our pick but I'm sure he won't.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Jabari Smith is my guy. Long wing (6'10 with 7'1 wingspan) that can shoot and defend. Can also get his own shot and long enough to play some small ball 4/5. Wish he'd last til our pick but I'm sure he won't.

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I like him too and a few of the comps I've seen for him strike me as accurate: Rashard Lewis with defense or a 6'10" Klay Thompson.

We'd have to move into the top 2 to land Jabari. He and Chet are likely the top of our board. Glad Sharpe declared. If we don't move into the top 4, he's the guy I'm gonna be praying falls to us, all the while knowing he won't.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

We'd have to move into the top 2 to land Jabari. He and Chet are likely the top of our board. Glad Sharpe declared. If we don't move into the top 4, he's the guy I'm gonna be praying falls to us, all the while knowing he won't.

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But at least he pushes another guy down

To me, this series has just reaffirmed my belief that the Pels will be able to score even if they dont have good "shooting"

And outside shooting is the most random variable. It comes and goes even for the best. I always want to know what you can do when your shot is off. When someone else has a mismatch and you arent touching the ball. And thats why I am so high on Dainiels and Sochan. They could go 2 for 3 from the field and have a major impact on the game. They also have the upside (Daniels more than Sochan) to be major offensive factors. Guys like Griffin, and to a lesser extent Mathurin, I am just not sure how they have huge impacts on a game where they make 2 field goals.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

To me, this series has just reaffirmed my belief that the Pels will be able to score even if they dont have good "shooting"

And outside shooting is the most random variable. It comes and goes even for the best. I always want to know what you can do when your shot is off. When someone else has a mismatch and you arent touching the ball. And thats why I am so high on Dainiels and Sochan. They could go 2 for 3 from the field and have a major impact on the game. They also have the upside (Daniels more than Sochan) to be major offensive factors. Guys like Griffin, and to a lesser extent Mathurin, I am just not sure how they have huge impacts on a game where they make 2 field goals.

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I love all around guys to, guys who--you know--are good at basketball and make winning plays. But I disagree on the impact of the Pels continually being bottom five in 3-point shooting, percentage, makes, etc...I think it creates a huge slope to climb against top teams, all of whom are in the upper tier of three-point shooting. Many nights it's like we're running a jalopy out there against a Porsche. I know we do other things well to offset this disadvantage (offensive rebounding, steals, etc...), but having to regularly make up for 20-30 point disadvantages from the arc gives us a very steep path to success week-in and week-out. I think the Pels need to prioritize getting more shooting on the squad, particularly from the bench.

I get that, but I think you can get that with less premium resources. This could be your last top 10 pick in a long time (might not be because of Lakers, but it could). You dont use it to fill a need. Look at the best shooters (percentage wise) in the league. They werent acquired using top 10 picks. Throw your MLE resources at that. Use 1sts and expirings for it in trades. Go the Heat route and find and develop some guys. But dont use a top 10 pick. That is a rare commodity. Use that on the type of guy you cant get via all those other methods

Say what you will about Jake Madison, but he's constantly saying that it doesn't matter who we have out there on the floor with Zion - Zion's getting double and triple-teamed. You need 3 point shooters to "make em pay."

I agree with this theory. Zion will create wide open 3s for his teammates. If his teammates can knock down wide open 3s, we will be a damn good team.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I get that, but I think you can get that with less premium resources. This could be your last top 10 pick in a long time (might not be because of Lakers, but it could). You dont use it to fill a need. Look at the best shooters (percentage wise) in the league. They werent acquired using top 10 picks. Throw your MLE resources at that. Use 1sts and expirings for it in trades. Go the Heat route and find and develop some guys. But dont use a top 10 pick. That is a rare commodity. Use that on the type of guy you cant get via all those other methods

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Steph was the 7th pick in the draft.
Klay was the 11th pick in the draft.
Buddy Heild was the 6th pick in the draft.
Ray Alllen was the 5th pick in the draft.
Reggie Miller was the 11th pick in the draft.
I could go on.................................

I like trades. Maybe we get 3 and Chet and Smith are gone. I’d trade with OKC if possible and get 5 and 12. Then we can get whoever falls to 5 between Sharpe, Maturin, and Murray then at 12 grab the Dieng guy. Maybe we could even get OKC to take Graham at the same time. Win win win.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I get that, but I think you can get that with less premium resources. This could be your last top 10 pick in a long time (might not be because of Lakers, but it could). You dont use it to fill a need. Look at the best shooters (percentage wise) in the league. They werent acquired using top 10 picks. Throw your MLE resources at that. Use 1sts and expirings for it in trades. Go the Heat route and find and develop some guys. But dont use a top 10 pick. That is a rare commodity. Use that on the type of guy you cant get via all those other methods

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Don't misunderstand me. I'm not advocating taking some catch-and-shoot 3-point specialist with a top-10 pick just to address our shooting problems. But would I factor in a prospect's 3-point shooting potential when deciding among a pool of prospects? I would . So in this draft that might move me more toward prospects like Griffin, Mauthrin or Sharpe rather than guys like Davis or Daniels (assuming we stay around 8-10). It might even cause me to opt for a higher potential shooter than a player like Sochan, whose tape I really like and who I can see giving the Pels a needed boost on defending bigs and protecting the rim. Or, to give an actual example, I liked the idea of taking Duarte last year if we stayed at 10 even though that was seen as high for him and he was an older prospect. Why? I could see a needed role for him on the Pels (shooting) + he could add value as a long wing defender with size, though he was not projected to become an All NBA-kind of talent.

So I'm more inclined than you to draft to a "need" though I'd call that balancing a roster or having a vision for a player. I think our starting 5 (assuming Zion sticks) is going to be pretty set. And that five (CJ, Herb, BI, Zion, Jonas) is not going to be a top-10 shooting group. I think they'll score, but on some nights we'll still struggle to keep up with elite 3-pointing shooting teams. So if I can draft a prospect with upside who I can reasonably project to pair with Trey to give us some shooting punch off the bench that we won't be getting from our starting line up, I'll happily factor that in. Not to the exclusion of all other considerations, but it's a metric I'll absolutely give weight to.

In the past we've debated my aversion to focusing too much on hunting super stars. I've long preferred building balanced rosters, where guys know their roles, have high IQ and possess a high-level NBA skill even if they aren't great all around talents. I think Memphis is in the process of proving that formula can produce a legitimate challenger. I know they did most of that with later picks not top-10 selections, but in the end the process is less important than the result. It's all something of a crap shoot. You know it's entirely possible that Davis will turn out to be a great shooter or that Jaden Ivey will bust out. Nobody knows nothing for sure. But I'd rather focus on acquiring demonstrable skill sets that we can mesh together into a cohesive roster than just going pure BPA evaluation. I'm not talking reaching for short term need at the top of draft, but thinking of how the whole roster fits together when considering roughly equivalent prospects.

Here's the issue with that philosophy -- the 2nd contract.

Outside of Marcus Smart, every top 10 pick who was re-signed by their team made between 20 mil and the max on their second contract. If they werent worth that, one way or another they were off the team. And often, they were off the team soon after they signed that 2nd contract because they werent worth that money (see: Otto Porter types)

Their initial contracts are just so expensive and their perceived upside so high (because they were a top 10 pick), that when it comes time for their 2nd deal, they get way overpaid based on potential. Look at Atlanta's upcoming decision with De'Andre Hunter, for example. Fine player, has had some good flashes. But his agent is asking for 4/100 now. Sure, maybe they will sign 4/85 or 4/90, but he will have to double his output to play up to that.

The idea of taking a Duarte, or equivalent, and getting known solid production is nice in theory. You get value for all of the rookie contract but then you eventually come to a cross road where you either gotta overpay them, let them walk or trade them for less than the asset you used to use them (see: Cam Reddish)

If you just wanna take a solid guy who you know will produce, trade down. Do what you do with Murphy, because as crazy as it seems logically, the same exact player would get a smaller 2nd contract if you took him 16th than 8th

Mobile, defensive, long, built, big. Was really high in mocks to start the college season and has drifted down a bit. But for me (someone who thinks trade Zion/Jonas for Bam Adebayo) I'm a little bit interested to see what this guy could turn in to by the time Jonas expires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r31jwzM4V68

I'm a meathead. A simple man. And a dude taller than 6'9" who likes to lift and can jump out the gym. I can't help but like him.

I mean...I'd literally take him right now instead of Hayes. I don't know anything Hayes gives us that Duren couldn't replicate...without also being a butthead. I guess Duren isn't as open field fast. But then, Hayes might be the fastest big to play in the NBA since The Admiral.

I want Chet. He will be incredible. He needs to put on weight but he?s very strong even with his skinny body. I think he will be a huge star.


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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

I want Chet. He will be incredible. He needs to put on weight but he?s very strong even with his skinny body. I think he will be a huge star.


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I agree that CHet is the best prospect in the draft but I also just don't think there's any way we get him unless the Lakers pick jumps up to #1. Not impossible, but certainly not likely.

Chet is the best prospect though imo. Not too concerned about his weight because frankly, you don't really want to think of him as a big bruising paint guy anyway despite him being 7 foot and a shotblocker. Relatively few teams have high quality bruiser bigs anymore (Jokic, Embiid are the two major examples of guys who do fit that mold, but nobody can defend them anyway even if they weigh 250lbs) for him to even struggle against, and despite his thin frame he fared well in college when matched up against big bruisers. For example, when he was against Duren - another lottery level talent who is absolutely an NBA quality player, and is already jacked beyond belief - Chet went 4/4 in the paint, had 9 rebounds and 4 blocks, and Duren only shot 3/11 from the floor with 7 rebounds and 1 block. It's not like Duren just totally bowled him over despite literally weighing nearly 50lbs more.


Chet's the best rim protecting prospect to come out of the college system since AD, and while his style of play is very different, that's a good thing. Chet is also already a very promising passer and shooter (39% from 3 on over 100 attempts, fairly high volume for a 7 footer in college; 3.3 per game) and it's not like he can't score at the rim either. Sure, he's not a dominating paint force on offense but he still shot 73% from 2, and frankly the fit of an excellent shooting/rim protecting big who doesn't need to be crowding the paint directly on offense sounds like it would match really well alongside Zion.

And he's a reasonable FT shooter for a big, 72%. Not great, sure, but for a 7 footer it's not bad at all and his shooting and touch at the rim gives hope that it could get even better.

If you luck into the #1 pick, draft Chet.

I can’t think the one aspect that’s changed is an aversion to a big market. Clearly Zion’s people want control. You aren’t gone. Get that with the crwzy musician in New York running things. Going for a smaller but still good team makes more sense if they feel they can choose. Correct me if I’m wrong…

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

If you luck into the #1 pick, draft Chet.

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ALAS (or is it AT LAST), we agree!!

Personally, I don't like Chet. Kid has skills but he'll get bullied and his body will break down. Won't be shocked if he slips in the draft outside the top 5.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1518344372865089536
This is the guy if Griff can move up to get someone.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Personally, I don't like Chet. Kid has skills but he'll get bullied and his body will break down. Won't be shocked if he slips in the draft outside the top 5.

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Somebody's getting a steal, then *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Somebody's getting a steal, then *shrug*

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I do agree with you here, dae. He's a more efficient Dirk offensively with the ability to facilitate and has better handles. Defensively, he dwarfs Nowitzki. And, remember, the German is a member of the 75th Anniversary Team.

Despite being skinny Chet doesn't shy away from contact.. and there's only really a few bigs left that play back to the basket. Whit how the game is being played today, having a big like him who can possibly be able to switch to smaller guys and protect the rim is very valuable.. and to top that off he has range and can pass.

I have no idea what Chet's future health will look like, but I think people tend to overstate the assumption that he'll be frequently injured because he's skinny. Tayshaun Prince was skinny and was an absolute iron man in terms of reliability. Durant played a vast majority of his team's games his first seven years, and even Shawn Bradley had seven seasons where he played over 70 games. Aleksej Pokusevski-- probably his closest comp in terms of body type-- just finished his 2nd NBA/G League season with generally good health. I think Holmgren will need a strong front court guy next to him in the NBA, just like he had in Timme in college. Ime Udoka has said the best adjustment he made this year was taking Robert Williams off of the main big defensive assignment and making him a weak side help defender... and there's a good chance Chet could excel in that same role.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Personally, I don't like Chet. Kid has skills but he'll get bullied and his body will break down. Won't be shocked if he slips in the draft outside the top 5.

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Sorry, but that's just laughable. He's absolutely going top 2 and he played against guys much bigger/stronger/heavier than himself in college and never really "got bullied". Like others have said, he is very strong and he battled and held his own consistently against big guys. He will get stronger and fill out, but I imagine he will always have a slight build. Don't expect it will matter, dude has too much skill. He is an excellent prospect and the perfect 5 prospect to play along Zion. Having Jonas locked up a few more years gives us time to groom him, without having to throw him to the wolves. I have no doubt that Chet will be an all-star in the league. None.

Choosing between he and Jabari would be a tough choice.

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Originally Posted by PaKwAn

Despite being skinny Chet doesn't shy away from contact.. and there's only really a few bigs left that play back to the basket. Whit how the game is being played today, having a big like him who can possibly be able to switch to smaller guys and protect the rim is very valuable.. and to top that off he has range and can pass.

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This is true, and as mentioned before, it's not like he didn't play against big bodies guys in college.

Hell, college might have a higher proportion of big, back to the basket, slow-footed 250lb-ers than the NBA at this point, and they gave Chet no problems. Now of course, in the NBA those guys tend to be even more skilled, but then it's the skill that causes the problems not the size; Joel Embiid doesn't smoke everyone because he's 270lbs. Andre Drummond is 270lbs as well, and he cannot do what Embiid does; the X factor is the skill.

If Duren, who is listed at 250lbs and looks every bit of it, couldn't ruin Chet's day physically and bully him, I have no idea why people think Javale McGee or Ante Zizic will be doing so in the NBA.

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Originally Posted by Eyquem

I have no idea what Chet's future health will look like, but I think people tend to overstate the assumption that he'll be frequently injured because he's skinny. Tayshaun Prince was skinny and was an absolute iron man in terms of reliability. Durant played a vast majority of his team's games his first seven years, and even Shawn Bradley had seven seasons where he played over 70 games. Aleksej Pokusevski-- probably his closest comp in terms of body type-- just finished his 2nd NBA/G League season with generally good health. I think Holmgren will need a strong front court guy next to him in the NBA, just like he had in Timme in college. Ime Udoka has said the best adjustment he made this year was taking Robert Williams off of the main big defensive assignment and making him a weak side help defender... and there's a good chance Chet could excel in that same role.

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As I mentioned before, we have a large sample size at this point of guys coming into the league underweight and going on to nonetheless be generally healthy and generally productive.

You've mentioned some here, but I would add Giannis - who entered the league in toothpick form and remained very thin for his first 3 seasons - as well as, oh yeah, Brandon Ingram. Who entered this league incredibly thin, with high hips and long legs, big feet and narrow shoulders. You could not design a more awkward ''oh no, will his body hold up'' guy than Ingram, really, and yet he's become an all-star level player and while he's had a few health issues that cause him to miss 20-25 games a year, he is generally healthy too.

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Originally Posted by Eyquem

I have no idea what Chet's future health will look like, but I think people tend to overstate the assumption that he'll be frequently injured because he's skinny. Tayshaun Prince was skinny and was an absolute iron man in terms of reliability. Durant played a vast majority of his team's games his first seven years, and even Shawn Bradley had seven seasons where he played over 70 games. Aleksej Pokusevski-- probably his closest comp in terms of body type-- just finished his 2nd NBA/G League season with generally good health. I think Holmgren will need a strong front court guy next to him in the NBA, just like he had in Timme in college. Ime Udoka has said the best adjustment he made this year was taking Robert Williams off of the main big defensive assignment and making him a weak side help defender... and there's a good chance Chet could excel in that same role.

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Well put.

Injury concerns have less to do with his weight for me and more, if I recall correctly, that his dad had injury issues. Probably just that and minor concerns about his age and level of competition at Gonzaga. But neither really scare me enough to not draft him.

This is not a player who should be drafted top 10, but in terms of Pelican-specific prospects, would love if the Pelicans could figure out a way to come away with EJ Liddell. I believe he's a playoff rotation big man from day one. I think he plays the 4 and plays the 5 in small ball situations. Look at what Grant Williams is doing for Boston, watch this guy and tell me this guy can't play that role. I like his rim protection even better than Williams and think he is much further along as a shooter compared to where Williams was coming in. Very nice perimeter defender, excellent rim protector for size, rebounds, can shoot the 3 above the break and would be great in handoff situations. Can also draw fouls and take advantage of mismatches if they try to hide a small or weak defender on him. This is the type of guy who goes in the teens or twenties but can play high leverage situations at the end of games and in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Biasvasospasm

This is not a player who should be drafted top 10, but in terms of Pelican-specific prospects, would love if the Pelicans could figure out a way to come away with EJ Liddell. I believe he's a playoff rotation big man from day one. I think he plays the 4 and plays the 5 in small ball situations. Look at what Grant Williams is doing for Boston, watch this guy and tell me this guy can't play that role. I like his rim protection even better than Williams and think he is much further along as a shooter compared to where Williams was coming in. Very nice perimeter defender, excellent rim protector for size, rebounds, can shoot the 3 above the break and would be great in handoff situations. Can also draw fouls and take advantage of mismatches if they try to hide a small or weak defender on him. This is the type of guy who goes in the teens or twenties but can play high leverage situations at the end of games and in the playoffs.

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Yeah like the 15th pick they gave to Charlotte for Graham.
Que......AusPel...

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Yeah like the 15th pick they gave to Charlotte for Graham.
Que......AusPel...

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Yep. Pels have made awful decisions trading draft picks. The CJ trade was okay, and the Valuncuinas trade ended up okay, but the Graham and Steven Adams trades were both ridiculous from the outset. Not to relitigate this, it is done, but how do we give up a pick for Devonte Graham when we got negative value in return for Lonzo Ball, who is a significantly better and younger player?

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Yep. Pels have made awful decisions trading draft picks. The CJ trade was okay, and the Valuncuinas trade ended up okay, but the Graham and Steven Adams trades were both ridiculous from the outset. Not to relitigate this, it is done, but how do we give up a pick for Devonte Graham when we got negative value in return for Lonzo Ball, who is a significantly better and younger player?

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Well then just to remind you why......

Lonzo did not want to be here!
He signed with the Bulls before free agency for 4 years $85 million
The Pels got Satoransk?, who was used as filler in the CJ trade, and another $5 million in Temple to use in another trade.

CP said no thanks, Lowry said I do not think so, which led the Pels to Devante.
A former 18 ppg scorer, who can hit the 3, who signed for only 4 years $47.5 million. Instant $37.5 million in savings by moving on from Lonzo.
The Hornets might have matched at that price, so you throw them a one not to.
Oh look at that Cj makes $30.

Plus, NO ONE, I can not emphasize this enough, NO ONE, thought an undrafted free agent named Jose Alverado was going to play so good that Devante would become an afterthought.
But, Jose did, and now the Pels have a an $11.8 million trade piece.

Devante $11.8 + Temple $5 + Jax $5.5 + Kira $4.2 = $26.5 to play with if they so choose.

I can't see a downside to any of this, plus they got the Lakers pick.

Now, can we put the whole Devante is garbage thing to bed,
Hell I appreciate the man, he chose to come here, when so many others just laughed in the Pels faces!

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Originally Posted by Biasvasospasm

Yep. Pels have made awful decisions trading draft picks. The CJ trade was okay, and the Valuncuinas trade ended up okay, but the Graham and Steven Adams trades were both ridiculous from the outset. Not to relitigate this, it is done, but how do we give up a pick for Devonte Graham when we got negative value in return for Lonzo Ball, who is a significantly better and younger player?

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To directly answer your question, leverage. Chicago could've signed Lonzo outright so we got something instead of nothing. We paid a sweetener so that Charlotte didn't match an offer for Graham and played ball by looping him into our Memphis trade.

Related to your question...if we didn't make the trade with Charlotte, the pick would have gone to Portland for CJ so we wouldn't be making it anyway. The true marginal cost of Graham is really the '25 Milwaukee pick.

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Originally Posted by redrum

Well then just to remind you why......

Lonzo did not want to be here!
He signed with the Bulls before free agency for 4 years $85 million
The Pels got Satoransk?, who was used as filler in the CJ trade, and another $5 million in Temple to use in another trade.

CP said no thanks, Lowry said I do not think so, which led the Pels to Devante.
A former 18 ppg scorer, who can hit the 3, who signed for only 4 years $47.5 million. Instant $37.5 million in savings by moving on from Lonzo.
The Hornets might have matched at that price, so you throw them a one not to.
Oh look at that Cj makes $30.

Plus, NO ONE, I can not emphasize this enough, NO ONE, thought an undrafted free agent named Jose Alverado was going to play so good that Devante would become an afterthought.
But, Jose did, and now the Pels have a an $11.8 million trade piece.

Devante $11.8 + Temple $5 + Jax $5.5 + Kira $4.2 = $26.5 to play with if they so choose.

I can't see a downside to any of this, plus they got the Lakers pick.

Now, can we put the whole Devante is garbage thing to bed,
Hell I appreciate the man, he chose to come here, when so many others just laughed in the Pels faces!

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Jose had nothing to do with Graham being an afterthought. It was solely due to him being gutter trash on the court. He's basically a poor man's Landry Shamet

Impressive spin on the whole situation, though

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Originally Posted by redrum

Devante $11.8 + Temple $5 + Jax $5.5 + Kira $4.2 = $26.5 to play with if they so choose.

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Why would you give up on KL13 after one season with SVG and only 24 games this season (78 total games)? People come back from ACL's all the time.

If we did absolutely nothing this off-season except use the Laker pick, we will be adding three lottery picks next year (Zion, KL13, whoever the Laker Pick produces). I'll bet a dollar to a donut hole that no other team in the NBA will be adding three lottery picks to their 2022, EOY Roster.

I never said should trade Kira, just stating his salary could be used if they are happy with the other point guards.

the deciding factor between the tied ones come down to attaining more info on em really


1 A Jabari Smith
1B Jaden Ivey

2 Chet Holmgren

3 Paolo Banchero

4A Benedict Mathurin
4B Shaedon Sharpe

Adrian Griffin
johnny Davis
Keegan Murray
Ochai Agbaja

MM apparently has a thing for Dyson Daniels.... with me, its Shaedon Sharpe....

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MM apparently has a thing for Dyson Daniels.... with me, its Shaedon Sharpe....

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It's likely not possible we he falls to us

you are likely right, but you just have to have balls....

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the deciding factor between the tied ones come down to attaining more info on em really


1 A Jabari Smith
1B Jaden Ivey

2 Chet Holmgren

3 Paolo Banchero

4A Benedict Mathurin
4B Shaedon Sharpe

Adrian Griffin
johnny Davis
Keegan Murray
Ochai Agbaja

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Absolutely do not understand the love affair going on with Keegan Murray in the mainstream media's drafts

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Absolutely do not understand the love affair going on with Keegan Murray in the mainstream media's drafts

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Yeah, really hoping someone jumps on him before our pick.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Yeah, really hoping someone jumps on him before our pick.

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He's 22, has fine but not massively impressive college defense, and he struggles hard to create offensive advantages at a college level. Not a particularly impressive passer, doesn't get to the FT line, and there's reason to suspect that his 3pt% is a bit of an outlier as well.

I'd get it if people were mocking him 15-25, but top 10? Makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He's 22, has fine but not massively impressive college defense, and he struggles hard to create offensive advantages at a college level. Not a particularly impressive passer, doesn't get to the FT line, and there's reason to suspect that his 3pt% is a bit of an outlier as well.

I'd get it if people were mocking him 15-25, but top 10? Makes no sense.

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What's the reason?

I agree he's not the most exciting prospect, in terms of age and athleticism potential. But he was really efficient, good size and all-around skillset. Kind of like a super-sized forward version of Duarte from last year.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Absolutely do not understand the love affair going on with Keegan Murray in the mainstream media's drafts

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I couldn't disagree more. I love his game. He would be 6th on my big board behind Chet, Jabari, Paolo, Ivey and Sharpe. Murray would be just above Mathurin for me.