Pelicans & Asik are talking new deal (deal is done-- 5/60)

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Chandler is 32, so not sure how you calculated that.

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Sorry picked that up from a Twitter handle when the news broke. Assumed he was being serious.

Still. Tyson Chandler is getting 52m over 4 years and the contract won't end until he a 36.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

By the 5th year the cap will be about 100 mill anyway, I don't think the Asik deal hinders us too much especially with all the other contracts coming off the books over the next 2 seasons.

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By the 3rd year the cap will be 110m.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Yes ryno is a bench player/finisher for us

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And Asik is a "starter" who plays half a game and not a good 4th quarter option. While there's a value to that, I do not think it is that much.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

if Asik is a starting center, does that make Ryno a bench player? The concern to me is more about fit than $$

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Ryno has come off the bench for 3 years now.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Its worrisome for me because in 5 years how different is the league going to look? How is AD going to look? What if Ajinca takes off and we are stuck with Asik getting few minutes??

I'll wait til the details but I am honestly a little shocked we paid that much/ that many years.

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if Ajinca takes off and we still have Asik then we have two good Centers/trade chips, that's a good problem to have

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

And Asik is a "starter" who plays half a game and not a good 4th quarter option. While there's a value to that, I do not think it is that much.

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And Bogut is too. . .

Lets give a healthy asik a chance in a new defensive system that is similar to the one he was so dominant in for the bulls. We might be surprised.

Per marc stein:

Hearing that the final year of Omer Asik's new contract in New Orleans is not guaranteed. Guaranteed cash in the deal roughly $45 million

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Hearing that the final year of Omer Asik's new contract in New Orleans is not guaranteed. Guaranteed cash in the deal roughly $45 million

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) July 2, 2015

Basically 4yr/45mil deal

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

And Asik is a "starter" who plays half a game and not a good 4th quarter option. While there's a value to that, I do not think it is that much.

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Yes, i know that. I was simply answering the question i was asked. Ryno is in fact a bench player for us.

Hearing that the final year of Omer Asik's new contract in New Orleans is not guaranteed. Guaranteed cash in the deal roughly $45 million

Can people start stepping away from ledges now? Its basically a 4yr/11m deal.

good deal

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Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Basically 4yr/45mil deal

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Staring center for 11 million a year on the new tv deal? Chump change, great work dell once again!

Full contract. Confirmed by #Pelicans sources: 5 years, $58 million. Only $44 million guaranteed for Omer Asik.

good deal dealer dell

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Full contract. Confirmed by #Pelicans sources: 5 years, $58 million. Only $44 million guaranteed for Omer Asik.

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that's a Scott Kushner tweet... and those #s I'm sure are much more appealing than 5/$60

Here we go. Updated numbers.

Full contract. Confirmed by #Pelicans sources: 5 years, $58 million. Only $44 million guaranteed for Omer Asik.

Nm about that rope

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Staring center for 11 million a year on the new tv deal? Chump change, great work dell once again!

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Too long of a contract. 3 years guaranteed is the longest we should have considered at that price IMO. I just hope he comes back healthy and we see the Asik from his Houston days and not the lumbering, injured Asik from last year.

Are we still on track for Durant 2016?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Too long of a contract. 3 years guaranteed is the longest we should have considered at that price IMO. I just hope he comes back healthy and we see the Asik from his Houston days and not the lumbering, injured Asik from last year.

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no way any starter takes less than 4 years unless they aren't sold on where they are going, job security is the main thing

I'm back from the ledge

The option doesn't make the deal that much better, but it does give us a chance to get it off the books before Davis is a free agent, so that's huge in itself. I don't like Asik so it's hard for me to get behind this deal, but I do accept it for what it is & it's far better than the "heart of phoenix" ride we just went through.

Eh. I'm super critical of Dell and don't believe in any of the Asik hype.

But I can live with $11m per year. It's basically the same deal Tiago Splitter got from the Spurs, adjusted for the new cap.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Are we still on track for Durant 2016?

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I think we would have to create space to make a bid.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Hearing that the final year of Omer Asik's new contract in New Orleans is not guaranteed. Guaranteed cash in the deal roughly $45 million

Can people start stepping away from ledges now? Its basically a 4yr/11m deal.

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I'm not crazy about it, but i'm not mad either. If his defense improves under Erman and he does better in this faster pace system that Gentry will implement, like MM said, I think this deal is a bargain when the cap spikes. If we can re-sign Ryno next offseason, assuming he has a bounce back year, I think we will have a good/great frontcourt for the next four or five years.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

I'm predicting 4 years 45 million

Danny Green Money

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Called it?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I think we would have to create space to make a bid.

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Wouldn't take much though. Obviously we have to bank on the one thing we've yet to sustain since acquiring davis, which is fielding a healthy team for a full season. If that happens, we're looking at a chance to win the best division in basketball, thus making everyone on our team extremely valuable. We knew this deal was inevitable, so a few million won't make a big difference in the long run. Best believe that we'll have the cap space if there's any inkling of Durant wanting to form the greatest dynasty of all time.

I'd say its been a pretty good day playerwise, and now we'll see where things go from here.... with the coaching changes, a very solid offseason showing so far for the organization.... to say the least....

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I think we would have to create space to make a bid.

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Ginsberg says we'd have to clear roughly $5M to be able to do another max

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Eh. I'm super critical of Dell and don't believe in any of the Asik hype.

But I can live with $11m per year. It's basically the same deal Tiago Splitter got from the Spurs, adjusted for the new cap.

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I mean this. Freaking this. I honestly can't believe the Q.Q people are doing over Asik getting 11m/yr.

Only fools thought it would be a 3 yr deal. It was always gonna be 4 and honestly 1m/yr over 10m is not a big deal at all. Look at the other C deals signed today.

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Originally Posted by ramsters60

I'd say its been a pretty good day playerwise, and now we'll see where things go from here.... with the coaching changes, a very solid offseason showing so far for the organization.... to say the least....

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Agreed, we won't know the true value of this deal until we see what Dell does with the exceptions. He's been a master at the small things so I fully expect a Gerald Green type signing soon. I know RJ has been floated out there & maybe a few years ago that would of excited me, but honestly I'd prefer keeping Dante over him.

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Originally Posted by rt0307

Ginsberg says we'd have to clear roughly $5M to be able to do another max

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Peace of cake

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Originally Posted by ohnosono

Agreed, we won't know the true value of this deal until we see what Dell does with the exceptions. He's been a master at the small things so I fully expect a Gerald Green type signing soon. I know RJ has been floated out there & maybe a few years ago that would of excited me, but honestly I'd prefer keeping Dante over him.

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If we could sign gerald green id consider this offseason a huge success.

A fully unguaranteed 14M last year ? this contract will be a very good trade assets ath the end, especially because with the cap rising furry some team will probably needs to unload some contract at this time.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Too long of a contract. 3 years guaranteed is the longest we should have considered at that price IMO. I just hope he comes back healthy and we see the Asik from his Houston days and not the lumbering, injured Asik from last year.

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Year 4 is basically an expiring as the 5th is a team option.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

If we could sign gerald green id consider this offseason a huge success.

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Yeah, but would he sign for the current MLE? I'd say there's a decent chance. One year deal to showcase his talents on an uber-talented, fast paced squad. Then he can cash out next season when the cap increase kicks in.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

Year 4 is basically an expiring as the 5th is a team option.

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and that 5th year is $14M of mostly unguaranteed money... I'm betting he never sees year 5 of this contract

it'll either be redone or he won't be a Pelican

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

By the 3rd year the cap will be 110m.

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No it will not, that is a common misconception that is brought about by using the current cap calculations to estimate into the future. The Cba will be renegotiated after the 2016 season, so the 2017 season will almost defiantly be adjusted to keep the cap from wild up AND down fluctuations in 2018,2019,2020. The cap is likely to be slightly under 100 mill and then raise by a relative constant of between 5-7 mill for about 3 years.

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Originally Posted by ohnosono

Yeah, but would he sign for the current MLE? I'd say there's a decent chance. One year deal to showcase his talents on an uber-talented, fast paced squad. Then he can cash out next season when the cap increase kicks in.

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Its possible, but even if it didnt im excited to see what this team can do with an ever improving ad, healthy jrue, and ryno coming back to form. Injuries aside next season will be fun to watch.

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Originally Posted by ohnosono

Wouldn't take much though. Obviously we have to bank on the one thing we've yet to sustain since acquiring davis, which is fielding a healthy team for a full season. If that happens, we're looking at a chance to win the best division in basketball, thus making everyone on our team extremely valuable. We knew this deal was inevitable, so a few million won't make a big difference in the long run. Best believe that we'll have the cap space if there's any inkling of Durant wanting to form the greatest dynasty of all time.

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Awesome

Tiago Splitter signed a 4yr deal worth 13.4% of the cap. People said it was fair market and good to lock him up quick. He was then able to be traded later when no longer needed.

Asik signs a deal worth 12.3% of the cap starting next year and some people are in panic mode.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Tiago Splitter signed a 4yr deal worth 13.4% of the cap. People said it was fair market and good to lock him up quick. He was then able to be traded later when no longer needed.

Asik signs a deal worth 12.3% of the cap starting next year and some people are in panic mode.

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This, its a great deal IMO.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Tiago Splitter signed a 4yr deal worth 13.4% of the cap. People said it was fair market and good to lock him up quick. He was then able to be traded later when no longer needed.

Asik signs a deal worth 12.3% of the cap starting next year and some people are in panic mode.

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Great example & our GM comes from that same organization. There's just too many variables to solve this equation now. I tend not to doubt the guy who has run all these numbers daily for the last few years. Dell is on the verge of locking up his job until Davis retires, so I'm gonna place my faith in him for now.

It's not a great deal. But it's not horrible either.

It's an ok deal for an ok center. It's honestly not worth the energy it's going to receive on either side of this debate.

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Originally Posted by cmariaou

No it will not, that is a common misconception that is brought about by using the current cap calculations to estimate into the future. The Cba will be renegotiated after the 2016 season, so the 2017 season will almost defiantly be adjusted to keep the cap from wild up AND down fluctuations in 2018,2019,2020. The cap is likely to be slightly under 100 mill and then raise by a relative constant of between 5-7 mill for about 3 years.

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Oh ok. So basically neither of us has any idea how it will play out until the new CBA is signed.

Remember the NBA asked the Players Association about smoothing out this spike and they said no. I see absolutely zero guarantee they will smooth out the next.

I'm fine with 4 thank god its not a guaranteed 5

Damn! A couple seasons back, I would of been all good with this move. BUT the way he's looked in a Pelicans uniform thus far makes me worry a bit. I was hoping for something like 4 years at 40 million, but guess that was out of the question. I just wish we could of waited to see what some of the other big men got paid first. But whose to say that may have made it worse, lol. At 12 per, I wish we would of at least seen what Monroe would of wanted. Don't think he and AD play all that great together. Would of loved to see what a legitimate low post scorer would of looked like next to AD. But oh well!

MM gives it a C- on Twitter