Free Agency Thread

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

What about getting Wes Mathews and dare I say Harrison Barnes from the Mavs. I think that is exactly what this team needs. Barnes as a 3rd/4th option with Jrue. Barnes is younger then Gordon Hayward and much cheaper while having just as good of a season if not better with absolutely no help. Barnes did exactly what many hear doubted and consistently created his own shot shooting a very good FG%. He was literaly the only players teams were worried about hurting his 3pt% but here that would. It be an issue. Having 2 bigs like AD and Boogie would be an even better fit for Barnes then GS imo. While Mathews is the perfect 3 and D SG for this team to start with Crawford off the bench. I don't know if the Mavs want to be that bad for Dirks last 2 years though. Never know sometimes teams go into sell mode so it's hard to predict how available they even are. Acquiring those 2 guys would give us a squad I would feel very good about

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That sounds peachy . Now, how exactly do we pay the bill? I would love Barnes & Mathews, just as I would love a home in Malibu. Only problem is- The bat rastards want me to pay for it.

I feel like the only people in the market for KCP now is us and the Lakers. Lakers will offer a 1 year balloon deal. I would offer 4 year $75-80M if we can clear space.

I think Brooklyn is out with the Carroll deal. They like the ideal of a Lin/Russell backcourt and I don't see them just trading Lin to get semi-better, he sells too many tickets and jerseys. They can still pay KCP without trading Lin but that kills their future cap flexibility and won't allow them to take back bad deals for draft picks. I can't see them doing that for a backcourt player.
Atlanta was another option but that team is decapitated, I don't see them handing out any large deals this summer. All they have is Schroeder, Bazemore and scraps. They may tank and rebuild.

KCP would be perfect for us. He's a very good shooter, I think he can get to 39% from 3 in our system. He can attack the rim and finish, very athletic, good handle for position, good swing passer and lobs for bigs. Most importantly he can guard both guard positions at a high level. This will ease the burden on Jrue and allow for him to be more effective on offense. KCP seems like the perfect backcourt mate for Jrue Holiday.

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Originally Posted by Imnos 2

Quincy Pondexter @QuincyPondexter
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Lotta snakes out there �� #grasscut


Hmmmmm......

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Quincy has been posting a lot of cryptic stuff on Twitter lately

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That's a very positive post. Cause at the onset of F.A. he looked like the most ideal fit for our organization. I just assumed it was unreasonable to even daydream. Still don't think we could do it. But in regards to age, skills, size, position .... Really everything. He is ideal. Yes he has been erratic but that's why he is almost affordable to folks

Kcp would be amazing. Perfect fit.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

As of July 3rd, my ticket agent told me that Asik was still NOT medically cleared to play!

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Does anyone know what actually happened to him?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

I feel like the only people in the market for KCP now is us and the Lakers. Lakers will offer a 1 year balloon deal. I would offer 4 year $75-80M if we can clear space.

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We cannot offer that. There is no way to clear that space given that Jrue already signed his deal. KCP is not really an option for us.

I didn't realize Asik haven't been cleared to play, let alone being in shape. In that case, he doesn't have any trade value. It'd be better to just waive him and stretch his contract like I read somewhere. I believe it'd only be $3-4 mill in dead money for 7 seasons, but would also create 7 million in cap space every year. The dead money isn't a big loss in cap space IF we can use that new cap space wisely on legit talent. That seems like a big if

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

We cannot offer that. There is no way to clear that space given that Jrue already signed his deal. KCP is not really an option for us.

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Where there's a will there's a way. We can use the teams trying to reach the salary floor and picks to dump Asik, Moore and Qpon/Ajinca

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

I didn't realize Asik haven't been cleared to play, let alone being in shape. In that case, he doesn't have any trade value. It'd be better to just waive him and stretch his contract like I read somewhere. I believe it'd only be $3-4 mill in dead money for 7 seasons, but would also create 7 million in cap space every year. The dead money isn't a big loss in cap space IF we can use that new cap space wisely on legit talent. That seems like a big if

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Keep in mind Asik only has 2 guaranteed years on his deal plus 3m on the final year of his contract.

So the question is, do we tie up 3-4m over 7 years or ride out the 2 years and only have a 3m cap hit for 1 year after. Maybe at some point his expiring contract even becomes an asset to some team that needs a lopsided traded with non guarantee money.

There's also the potential that he never is able to play ago and we can get his contract completely off the books. Not sure of the full details on that though.

Edit: I looked up what happened with Bosh and what it appears like is the NBA and the Players Association do a joint medical review and if they determine the player cannot play anymore than his contract would be cleared from the team. I think this meeting has to take place 1 year after his last game played.

Asik and the Pelicans can also negotiate a buy out of his contract, but I don't think he had much incentive to do a buyout. Giving up any guaranteed money when he very likely will not get another NBA contract is a hard sell to a player.

Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 9, 2017

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Where there's a will there's a way. We can use the teams trying to reach the salary floor and picks to dump Asik, Moore and Qpon/Ajinca

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First, it would take a significant number of assets to dump those contracts. The Raptors just gave up a 1st and 2nd to move Carroll. Imagine Asik's price alone.

Second, no team has a salary cap figure below the floor level. That includes the Nets after Mozgov and Carroll.

Third, clearing all those contracts would only put us approx. 16m below the soft cap. KCP already declined an offer for 5/80, which was...16m per year.

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 9, 2017

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There goes another wing shooter.

I guess our only somewhat realistic options left are trading for Bledsoe or Lin. Unless Demps can pull off something crazy. Or unless Demps does nothing

Well, Demps did make this bed, so he can sleep in it.

It's getting ridiculous now.

Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 9, 2017

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 9, 2017

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the dream is dead

Save us Darrius Miller, you're our only hope.

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Originally Posted by neitzelbaby12

the dream is dead

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Yep! I hot nothing now. Prepare to go 8th seed if we're lucky. Demps is really screwing the pouch this offseason.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Save us Darrius Miller, you're our only hope.

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Lmao! Overpay Holiday, use some of our MLE on a second round guard, and sign a euro player. Solid offseason to get us in the playoffs while everyone else is improving.

A lot of you guys need to just relax. The off season has a long ways to go.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

A lot of you guys need to just relax. The off season has a long ways to go.

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Agreed! But the flip side to that coin is that the longer we get in the offseason the less likely good players will be available. Most of the good players are gone early in the offseason.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

First, it would take a significant number of assets to dump those contracts. The Raptors just gave up a 1st and 2nd to move Carroll. Imagine Asik's price alone.

Second, no team has a salary cap figure below the floor level. That includes the Nets after Mozgov and Carroll.

Third, clearing all those contracts would only put us approx. 16m below the soft cap. KCP already declined an offer for 5/80, which was...16m per year.

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1. True but our first rd pick is worth more than the Raptors and Asik's deal is smaller.

2. Not true, the Nets even after Mozgov and Carrol only have about $80M on the books. The hawks have about $83M.

3. If we can trade Asik and a top 10 protected pick to the Nets. We can maybe work a sign and trade with Detroit who still needs a backup sg and C. Moore and Ajinca for KCP.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

A lot of you guys need to just relax. The off season has a long ways to go.

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Logic and common sense,huh? Good luck...

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Agreed! But the flip side to that coin is that the longer we get in the offseason the less likely good players will be available. Most of the good players are gone early in the offseason.

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Who knows what players will be released.

The more we wait at this point the better deals we will be able to find as teams use up their cap space.

It's been clear for awhile Dell is looking at trades, not free agent signings.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

1. True but our first rd pick is worth more than the Raptors and Asik's deal is smaller.

2. Not true, the Nets even after Mozgov and Carrol only have about $80M on the books. The hawks have about $83M.

3. If we can trade Asik and a top 10 protected pick to the Nets. We can maybe work a sign and trade with Detroit who still needs a backup sg and C. Moore and Ajinca for KCP.

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1. We're a borderline playoffs team. Our pick is going to be late lottery at best, likely non-lottery, so it doesn't have nearly as much value as it has in year's past. And the bigger point you're missing is Carroll is a useful basketball player. He can actually contribute to a team. Asik is dead weight.

2. Yes, it's true. There are zero teams below the floor: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

And even if your figures were correct, which they aren't, it would be much more practical for those teams to sign players to smaller, short-term contracts to reach the floor instead ala Reddick.

3. That doesn't work. If the Pistons take on those additional salaries, they go over the luxury. I'm sure Moore and Ajinca are worth that, right? Especially when they need to extend Bradley next year.

KCP is completely unrealistic. Move on.

I still really like Ty Lawson and Thabo Sefalosha. I really wish Dell could get this master plan moving. If there was any way to pull off a Bledsoe like miracle, adding a Lawson and Thabo would really round this roster out.

Waive/stretch Asik and sign D-Rose

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Waive/stretch Asik and sign D-Rose

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Stretching Asik wouldn't give us the money to sign DRose or anyone.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

1. We're a borderline playoffs team. Our pick is going to be late lottery at best, likely non-lottery. It doesn't matter if we're 3 picks lower than Toronto, our pick this year doesn't have nearly as much value as it has in year's past. And the bigger point you're missing is Carroll is a useful basketball player. He can actually contribute to a team. Asik is dead weight.

2. Yes, it's true. There are zero teams below the floor: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

And even if your figures were correct, which they aren't, it would be much more practical for those teams to sign players to smaller, short-term contracts to reach the floor instead ala Reddick.

3. That doesn't work. If the Pistons take on those additional salaries, they go over the luxury. I'm sure Moore and Ajinca are worth that, right? Especially when they need to extend Bradley next year.

KCP is completely unrealistic. Move on.

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1. I've seen teams trade the 18th and 21st pick to move up to select 15th. A few spots is a big difference in value. Asik caught an infection in Mexico he didn't develop heart troubles. He can't contribute for us but he's a decent big off the bench for a bottom 10 team.

2. Brooklyn is still under the floor on your link even with cap holds. They release their cap holds and their close to the $80M figure I gave. Same with the Hawks. They don't get draft picks by overpaying players in free agency to reach the floor. They have an incentive to take on bad contracts while they are rebuilding.

3. I'll agree Pistons wouldn't do that. But we could get a 3rd team involved.

Like I said where there's a will there's a way. Completely unrealistic, you're acting like I'm talking about getting James Harden.. come on man.

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Originally Posted by Smirk

Stretching Asik wouldn't give us the money to sign DRose or anyone.

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It would get the ball rolling and start the process. Waive Asik, then do a s&t for Rose or even Melo, using Moore, Hill, and a first rounder for either one. We want Bledsoe and KCP, but at least the Knicks have made it clear that neither one are in their team's plans. Asik and/or Hill's contract have to go for us to make a move if we're trying to

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

A lot of you guys need to just relax. The off season has a long ways to go.

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All message boards need a hint of support and optimism. I am sure Demp appreciates it.

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Yep! I hot nothing now. Prepare to go 8th seed if we're lucky. Demps is really screwing the pouch this offseason.

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lol no I just really wanted the Pels to sign CJ Miles. Patience is key

I have google search tabs of "pelicans rumors", "pelicans trade", "Eric Bledsoe pelicans", "Derrick Rose pelicans", "Carmelo pelicans", and the team page on rotoworld open in Safari on my phone, refreshing them every hour, desperate for news to come out about us showing interest or trying to make something happen ��

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

It's been clear for awhile Dell is looking at trades, not free agent signings.

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And it's clear he has gone all-in on that route by letting all the FAs sign elsewhere. My concern is that with all of the options dwindling, he gets desperate and overpays for an average player.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Where there's a will there's a way. We can use the teams trying to reach the salary floor and picks to dump Asik, Moore and Qpon/Ajinca

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How many 1st round picks would we have to attach to that pile of Demp's mistakes? No one is going to bail us out cheaply.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I still really like Ty Lawson and Thabo Sefalosha. I really wish Dell could get this master plan moving. If there was any way to pull off a Bledsoe like miracle, adding a Lawson and Thabo would really round this roster out.

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Pretty sure Lawson signed with OKC.

It's just frustrating at the moment. We all want something to happen, and that string of tweets from MM didn't help. Now we're all sitting on our hands. But we've got a long way to go until the season begins. Something is bound to happen in the next few months.

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Originally Posted by Butters

Pretty sure Lawson signed with OKC.

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I thought Felton signed with OKC. Lawson is still available I think.

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Originally Posted by Butters

Pretty sure Lawson signed with OKC.

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Lawson is still a FA

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

How many 1st round picks would we have to attach to that pile of Demp's mistakes? No one is going to bail us out cheaply.

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Top 10 protected 1st for Asik. Moore is worth a 2nd. May have to give a 2nd or 2 to get rid of Ajinca. Idk that's Demps job to figure out the details, I was just pointing out that it is possible.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

1. I've seen teams trade the 18th and 21st pick to move up to select 15th. A few spots is a big difference in value. Asik caught an infection in Mexico he didn't develop heart troubles. He can't contribute for us but he's a decent big off the bench for a bottom 10 team.

2. Brooklyn is still under the floor on your link even with cap holds. They release their cap holds and their close to the $80M figure I gave. Same with the Hawks. They don't get draft picks by overpaying players in free agency to reach the floor. They have an incentive to take on bad contracts while they are rebuilding.

3. I'll agree Pistons wouldn't do that. But we could get a 3rd team involved.

Like I said where there's a will there's a way. Completely unrealistic, you're acting like I'm talking about getting James Harden.. come on man.

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1. I stopped taking this point seriously when you said Asik could still be a useful basketball player. And even if you think he's going to play steady minutes for a team again, which we honestly don't know at this point, it doesn't change the fact that he's simply not a good basketball player anymore. If he's not dead weight, he's surely close to it.

And if you think the difference in picks that far down matters, then you haven't been paying attention to drafts in year's past: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

2. That's my bad, I was using last year's floor. Your initial premise was we can trade our bad contracts onto teams that need to reach the floor. You have named 2, the Nets and the Hawks.

3. So now we have to move 4 players, to 2 teams, to get a 3rd team involved, and put together a package that makes it worth it for Detroit to take on additional salary when they have to preserve space for Bradley's extension next year? All while being an over the cap team.

Here's a list of somewhat available players that Pels still could add in the next few weeks/months:

Bledsoe
Lin
Lawson
Clark
Rondo
Cunningham
Ellis
T.Black
R.Kelly
T.Robinson

And of course surprise trade options

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

1. I stopped taking this point seriously when you said Asik could still be a useful basketball player. And even if you think he's going to play steady minutes for a team again, which we honestly don't know at this point, it doesn't change the fact that he's simply not a good basketball player anymore. If he's not dead weight, he's surely close to it.

And if you think the difference in picks that far down matters, then you haven't been paying attention to drafts in year's past: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

2. That's my bad, I was using last year's floor. Your initial premise was we can trade our bad contracts onto teams that need to reach the floor. You have named 2, the Nets and the Hawks.

3. So now we have to move 4 players, to 2 teams, to get a 3rd team involved, and put together a package that makes it worth it for Detroit to take on additional salary when they have to preserve space for Bradley's extension next year?

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1. I'm not going to defend Asik any further lol.

2. Those 2 we can make deals with.

3. Idk how it can be done exactly, there are many different scenarios in which it is possible. I just know those are the guys that have to be moved in order to make room for KCP and that they are movable. I listed the teams I thought we can make a deal with, you don't agree and that's fine.

Did any of you remember a trade of Dell that leaked in the press before it actually happened? (Apart form the CP3 one)

I know it is frustrating but just wait and see.

Guys ever think Dell Demps hands are tied?
Maybe ownership has told him stand down?
It's obvious ownership doesn't want to spend any additional money otherwise Demps would have made a move.
Just my thoughts on this.

Free agent center Aron Baynes has reached agreement on a one-year, $4.3M deal with the Boston Celtics, league sources tell The Vertical.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 9, 2017

http://https://twitter.com/quincypon...81947147440128

Not sure if this link will work properly but Q Pon with the cryptic tweet

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Originally Posted by gdf22

http://https://twitter.com/quincypon...81947147440128

Not sure if this link will work properly but Q Pon with the cryptic tweet

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this the 1 you mean?

Hahahahhahahaha!! #ifyouonlyknew https://t.co/4roSkSlEiL

— Quincy Pondexter (@QuincyPondexter) July 9, 2017