Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by Ludiculous

That's why I put a big if there. I wasn't sure if Hibbert had a post game outside of the playoffs I watched like 0 pacers games

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I was agreeing with you.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The guy can't score more than 3ft away from the basket. And it's not as if he creates with his post ability. He can clean up other players misses and finish on plays where he's cutting.

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Sure. Asik has to be within 3ft to score. Hibbert just can't score within 3ft and doesn't shoot well enough from elsewhere to make up for it. Actually, how is someone who is 7'2" so bad around the rim?

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Whoever Dallas has.

http://www.noahbasketball.com/blog/f...llas-mavericks

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/15/sp...oren.html?_r=0



That article is really old. 2007 to be exact. But as of that time no other team besides Dallas had a FT coach.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-march-madness




I find this stuff interesting. MM why do you think no other teams invest in FT coaches? Since 1999 the Mavs have finished no less than 9th in that category.

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My question is: What do you know about our shooting and FT shooting coaches? Why are they bad? What do they need to improve in specifically?

Yes, Mavs finish high in FT shooting every year and I am sure at least some of that has to do with their roster. I can find categories they have been average or bad at since then, and it seems like your answer would be to add better rebounding coaches or passing coaches.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Sure. Asik has to be within 3ft to score. Hibbert just can't score within 3ft and doesn't shoot well enough from elsewhere to make up for it. Actually, how is someone who is 7'2" so bad around the rim?

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He brings the ball down constantly. He got blocked by Kyle Korver.

Twice.

In a single game.

That game was a playoff game. I don't remember if it was an elimination game, though.

Hibbert only really has good offensive games against Miami, for whatever reason. Probably because they are willing to let him get easy looks and just make life difficult for everyone else. Because :hihi: at Hibbert being competent around the basket.

It's not surprising Hibbert is poor near the rim because he's a total below the rim player. And isn't much of a rebounder. I'll take Asik over Hibbert 10/10 times.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's not surprising Hibbert is poor near the rim because he's a total below the rim player. And isn't much of a rebounder. I'll take Asik over Hibbert 10/10 times.

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Especially on their respective contracts.

Hibbert is a more skilled offensive player, but this works against Indiana. They feel like they have to get him the ball a couple of times because he has worked hard on his jumper and post game. And though he is more skilled than Asik, that is like saying somebody else is a batter mid-range shooter than Rivers.

Asik is so hopeless on his jumper and in the post, that he doesn't demand the ball. And I hope we keep it that way. As I have said in the past with Tyreke - If you make a guy work hundreds of hours on something, they will want to show it off. I don't need Asik to get any more skilled offensively. No need for him ever to have a play drawn up for him or get the ball down in the post. Ever.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

My question is: What do you know about our shooting and FT shooting coaches? Why are they bad? What do they need to improve in specifically?

Yes, Mavs finish high in FT shooting every year and I am sure at least some of that has to do with their roster. I can find categories they have been average or bad at since then, and it seems like your answer would be to add better rebounding coaches or passing coaches.

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From the article, no other team has a FT coach. So clearly they can't be bad and can't improve in anything. I asked why do you think teams do not invest is such coaches? No answer, OK. My original observation was that I noticed at least 5 key rotation guys who left here in the past 4-5 seasons, immediately improved their %'s on a new team. So I posed a question of if our FT coach is bad or if we even had one because I did not know the answer. It's clear now, that we don't have one. Don't know why it was made out to be such a big deal.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

From the article, no other team has a FT coach. So clearly they can't be bad and can't improve in anything. I asked why do you think teams do not invest is such coaches? No answer, OK. My original observation was that I noticed at least 5 key rotation guys who left here in the past 4-5 seasons, immediately improved their %'s on a new team. So I posed a question of if our FT coach is bad or if we even had one because I did not know the answer. It's clear now, that we don't have one. Don't know why it was made out to be such a big deal.

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Teams don't hire full time FT coaches to JUST do that. But I know for a fact that guys are brought in part time for weeks at a time and that there are coaches already on the staff to work with guys.

I mean, were the Mavericks #1 every year? No. But how could any team finish better without the magical FT shooting coach? If the argument is that: FT shooting coach = success, then how do teams do so well every year without one? It is obviously not necessary to achieve success in this category.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Teams don't hire full time FT coaches to JUST do that. But I know for a fact that guys are brought in part time for weeks at a time and that there are coaches already on the staff to work with guys.

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Thanks for this insight.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I mean, were the Mavericks #1 every year? No. But how could any team finish better without the magical FT shooting coach? If the argument is that: FT shooting coach = success, then how do teams do so well every year without one? It is obviously not necessary to achieve success in this category.

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No but iirc they were either 1-3 the past 3 years. It was never said by anyone that FT = success, we were originally talking about 1 player in particular that spread out to 6. Nothing to do with success of teams winning. It was about a concern that was voiced over Asik having to possibly shoot FTs late in games. Apparently voicing a concern is punishable by death. Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Hibbert is a more skilled offensive player, but this works against Indiana. They feel like they have to get him the ball a couple of times because he has worked hard on his jumper and post game. And though he is more skilled than Asik, that is like saying somebody else is a batter mid-range shooter than Rivers.

Asik is so hopeless on his jumper and in the post, that he doesn't demand the ball. And I hope we keep it that way. As I have said in the past with Tyreke - If you make a guy work hundreds of hours on something, they will want to show it off. I don't need Asik to get any more skilled offensively. No need for him ever to have a play drawn up for him or get the ball down in the post. Ever.

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I would think this would be pretty much something the whole board could agree on with almost no objections, but hey I certainly don't have room to talk about consensus.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I would think this would be pretty much something the whole board could agree on with almost no objections, but hey I certainly don't have room to talk about consensus.

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:hihi:

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Hibbert is a more skilled offensive player, but this works against Indiana. They feel like they have to get him the ball a couple of times because he has worked hard on his jumper and post game. And though he is more skilled than Asik, that is like saying somebody else is a batter mid-range shooter than Rivers.

Asik is so hopeless on his jumper and in the post, that he doesn't demand the ball. And I hope we keep it that way. As I have said in the past with Tyreke - If you make a guy work hundreds of hours on something, they will want to show it off. I don't need Asik to get any more skilled offensively. No need for him ever to have a play drawn up for him or get the ball down in the post. Ever.

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Ive seen flashes of him being a good passer right when he catches the ball. I wouldn't mind him getting better at that. Or setting screens.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I would think this would be pretty much something the whole board could agree on with almost no objections, but hey I certainly don't have room to talk about consensus.

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While I agree Hibbert is more offensive skilled, I don't consider him as offensively efficient.

I guess how I see it is, I'd rather neither one take a ton of shots but if I have to give 9 shots a game to either, I'd rather it be Asik since I know he is more efficient.

Interesting enough, Asik has nearly doubled the FTR of Hibbert too. For what that's worth.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

While I agree Hibbert is more offensive skilled, I don't consider him as offensively efficient.

I guess how I see it is, I'd rather neither one take a ton of shots but if I have to give 9 shots a game to either, I'd rather it be Asik since I know he is more efficient.

Interesting enough, Asik has nearly doubled the FTR of Hibbert too. For what that's worth.

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So when I say hibbert is more offensively skilled than asik you laugh at me but when MM says it u agree? Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

While I agree Hibbert is more offensive skilled, I don't consider him as offensively efficient.

I guess how I see it is, I'd rather neither one take a ton of shots but if I have to give 9 shots a game to either, I'd rather it be Asik since I know he is more efficient.

Interesting enough, Asik has nearly doubled the FTR of Hibbert too. For what that's worth.

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So when I say hibbert is more offensively skilled than asik you laugh at me but when MM says it u agree? Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Yeah if you want to compare Asik and Hibbert offensively. Roy IMO is clearly better. Not to say he's better overall.

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Agree

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

So when I say hibbert is more offensively skilled than asik you laugh at me but when MM says it u agree? Gotcha.

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You said better on offense. I don't think he is better. He has more skill ie he can sometimes make a shot outside of 3ft. But I don't want him making those shots. I want Asik taking it from around the basket. Asik is head and shoulders better on offense because he is clearly more efficient.

Did MM say anything about this? Did I not post my stats and argument before MM ever touched on the topic? I think you're wrong. MM had nothing to do with that.

I dont consider being more efficient makes u a better offensive player but im not gonna argue. Hibbert is better offensively than asik in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I dont consider being more efficient makes u a better offensive player but im not gonna argue. Hibbert is better offensively than asik in my opinion.

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I agree whenever both players are already good I take the more diverse scorer. But when both suck I take the more efficient player. It's pretty simple actually.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I agree whenever both players are already good I take the more diverse scorer. But when both suck I take the more efficient player. It's pretty simple actually.

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And/or the one who knows his limits.

I think one of the most under appreciated thing is a player who is humble. Guys who think they are better than they are can kill your team. Guys who accept their limits and play to their strengths are a coaches dream.

Turkish NT name extended World Cup roster: NBAers Omer Asik and Enes Kanter both in. Semih Erden not invited.

— David Pick (@IAmDPick) 2. Juli 2014

happy birthday btw

Is there any chance that the Asik trade doesn't already involve a sign and trade?
Or what if it's Asik for Anderson?

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Is there any chance that the Asik trade doesn't already involve a sign and trade?
Or what if it's Asik for Anderson?

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Nah. The whole point for the Rockets were to dump salary. They wouldn't have brought Melo and called for LBJ if they couldn't offer them money.

anybody else a little concerned about Morey's tweets if they don't get a target that requires them to dump salary?