Free Agency Thread

1. Trading for Bledsoe + Making the playoffs --> Boogie re-signs because of loyalty, Kentucky brotherhood, and AD + Bledsoe + knowing Wall only has 1 more year on his contract.

2. Boogie re-signs + AD on the team + Bledsoe on the team --> John Wall coming to NOLA (I've stated countless times how we can acquire John Wall through a trade of Jrue, Diallo, draft picks OR just wait until he becomes an UFA that following season...Again, this is all assuming Wall doesn't sign his extension with Washington this year, which looks to be the case. I've also stated that less teams will trade for Wall because of the 1 year rental). Three best friends. Two college teammates. Kentucky brotherhood.

3. Wall re-signs with Pels + Bledsoe + Boogie + AD + Veterans who wants to ring chase --> Championship contending champ

4. If we chose route B, which is to wait until Wall becomes an UFA rather than trading for him, then I'd trade Jrue, Diallo, and draft picks for Booker. ***I don't think this step will happen, but it is possible.

5. Now, we really got an all-time Kentucky superstar line-up in Wall + Booker + Bledsoe + AD + Boogie.

PLEASE QUOTE ME ON THIS IF, AND A BIG IF, WE TRADE FOR BLEDSOE AND/IF Boogie re-signs. Then, I can almost ascertain that the dominoes will fall for us in a good way.
DO NOT SAY ANY OF THE STEPS BETWEEN 2-5 IS UNREALISTIC UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE WHERE BLEDSOE ENDS UP.
Like I said, step 1 needs to commence before the rest of the steps can happen (one can argue we can straight up trade for Wall without waiting on Bledsoe being on the team, but I am not going there).

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Originally Posted by WhyHornetsWhy

1. Trading for Bledsoe + Making the playoffs --> Boogie re-signs because of loyalty, Kentucky brotherhood, and AD + Bledsoe + knowing Wall only has 1 more year on his contract.

2. Boogie re-signs + AD on the team + Bledsoe on the team --> John Wall coming to NOLA (I've stated countless times how we can acquire John Wall through a trade of Jrue, Diallo, draft picks OR just wait until he becomes an UFA that following season...Again, this is all assuming Wall doesn't sign his extension with Washington this year, which looks to be the case. I've also stated that less teams will trade for Wall because of the 1 year rental). Three best friends. Two college teammates. Kentucky brotherhood.

3. Wall re-signs with Pels + Bledsoe + Boogie + AD + Veterans who wants to ring chase --> Championship contending champ

4. If we chose route B, which is to wait until Wall becomes an UFA rather than trading for him, then I'd trade Jrue, Diallo, and draft picks for Booker. ***I don't think this step will happen, but it is possible.

5. Now, we really got an all-time Kentucky superstar line-up in Wall + Booker + Bledsoe + AD + Boogie.

PLEASE QUOTE ME ON THIS IF, AND A BIG IF, WE TRADE FOR BLEDSOE AND/IF Boogie re-signs. Then, I can almost ascertain that the dominoes will fall for us in a good way.
DO NOT SAY ANY OF THE STEPS BETWEEN 2-5 IS UNREALISTIC UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE WHERE BLEDSOE ENDS UP.
Like I said, step 1 needs to commence before the rest of the steps can happen (one can argue we can straight up trade for Wall without waiting on Bledsoe being on the team, but I am not going there).

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I mean that's all fine and stuff but it seems like we don't have enough to get Bledsoe or something would have leaked... I mean I have heard zilch about us this off season I mean it is what it is we don't have enough to get the players we want Dell just messed it all up when he gave all those unnecessary contracts

We heard zilch before the Boogie trade, as well.

I'm antsy, too......but something will happen.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

We heard zilch before the Boogie trade, as well.

I'm antsy, too......but something will happen.

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No. Face reality. Our team is screwed and getting a good player is fantasy. Oh, and MM is trolling. Or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Why do people who have a pessimistic outlook always insist they're the ones who see reality and the rest are in denial?

Jesus, get over yourself. You're talking about sports. It's escapism. None of this is reality.

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This deserves a slow clap for the greatness it is......

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I miss David Fisher posting on this board. He and RekHavoc, NYKF, GA, countless others. Where have all the old dogs gone?

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I miss David Fisher posting on this board. He and RekHavoc, NYKF, GA, countless others. Where have all the old dogs gone?

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I don't really miss Fisher as much. He was such a debby downer. But I do miss the other guys!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I miss David Fisher posting on this board. He and RekHavoc, NYKF, GA, countless others. Where have all the old dogs gone?

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How can you leave out Harvey Hornet and "RIP" FlyGirl. My join date is off I lost password had to make a new account

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Actually, my money is on Buckwheat actually being MM.....or a disgruntled Kings fan. Look at the start date. Right around the last time MM went all borderline.

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I'm 100% positive he's Champ. Definitely not MM.

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How can you leave out Harvey Hornet and "RIP" FlyGirl. My join date is off I lost password had to make a new account

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I miss HH and Unknown Poster as well.

I didn't mention FG because, well, we all know where she is...heaven.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I miss HH and Unknown Poster as well.

I didn't mention FG because, well, we all know where she is...heaven.

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A few were old school Charlotte Hornets fans once they got a team back some went back to cheer for the home team. But I agree I miss some of the old posters.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

No. Face reality. Our team is screwed and getting a good player is fantasy. Oh, and MM is trolling. Or whatever.

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No don't get me wrong I want the best for this team if we can some how pull off LeBron I'm all for it i just don't want to get my hopes up high.

Man, reading some of those names brings back an awful lot of memories.

Yeah, Hornets Guru had a trade for everything, and we busted his chops for it, but man, he was active, and he was a solid contributor.

IamQuailman once gave me tickets to a game the year we traded CP3 for Kaveman, Gordo, and Chief, that was probably the biggest mistake of his life. If I recall correctly he works for Oschner, so maybe work has him bogged down.

It was fun when everyone was around, but if they don't want to be here it's their lost can't force ppl that don't want to be here... I rather have some fans than no fans

I understand the need to temper expectations for some. Disappointment blows chunks.

But at the end, we all want the best for the team. I mean, I'm willing to let this offseason play itself out. Until I hear that all the targets we're after are being flipped to other teams, like Lin, Bledsoe, and perhaps now Reggie Jackson (shudder), what else can we do? Complaining is just as constructive as hoping, far as I'm concerned. Life is crappy enough without dragging misery into fandom.

If I wanted care about something that made me feel bad, I'd stare at my student loan debt all day.


Oh, and Guru is still around. He's active on SaintsReport as TruSaint, but he's kinda mellowed out of late even there.

The only reason trolls exist is because posters empower them by acknowledging their existence. Literally all you need to do is block them. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by tyler

It was fun when everyone was around, but if they don't want to be here it's there lost can't force ppl that don't want to be here... I rather have some fans than no fans

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Huh? I'm sure some just rather not deal with all the negativity and useless trolling. That doesn't mean they aren't fans anymore. I personally prefer quality over quantity.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

The only reason trolls exist is because posters empower them by acknowledging their existence. Literally all you need to do is block them. It's that simple.

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Maybe all those posters I mentioned are still here, only they have blocked all of us, and we have no idea that they are still around. Maybe they are like ghosts.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

The only reason trolls exist is because posters empower them by acknowledging their existence. Literally all you need to do is block them, by adding them to your ignore list. It's that simple if you want it to be.

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I tried the ignore option but when others quote them its useless because you still see the post.

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Originally Posted by 23speedkillz

I tried the ignore option but when others quote them its useless because you still see the post.

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I get that. But you don't have to read their quotes. And you certainly don't have to acknowledge they exist. Those are still personal decisions.

God I hope folks don't consider me a troll here. If so I'll stop posting. I really try to add humor and lighten up the seriousness here. I sometimes get emotional because I realize I relate and lived my life through the Pelicans, I feel like I too have a ton of potential, but misfortune keeps finding it's way and I'm not taken seriously, so over the years I felt more connected with this franchise through the ups and certainly the downs with all the tragedies as well on PR (RIP FlyGirl) but all in all I'm trying to disconnect away from this team. I realize I truly care too much and this whole free agency trading rumors fiasco is making me realize that I can't live through a franchise, although I really really really want us to succeed Soo badly and just freak up the League, naysayers, folks who call us Hornets or mock us, etc. Overall, this franchise been through alot, has good guys, and still trying to find it's winning ways, I personally can relate to all of those things about my life.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

God I hope folks don't consider me a troll here. If so I'll stop posting. I really try to add humor and lighten up the seriousness here. I sometimes get emotional because I realize I relate and lived my life through the Pelicans, I feel like I too have a ton of potential, but misfortune keeps finding it's way and I'm not taken seriously, so over the years I felt more connected with this franchise through the ups and certainly the downs with all the tragedies as well on PR (RIP FlyGirl) but all in all I'm trying to disconnect away from this team. I realize I truly care too much and this whole free agency trading rumors fiasco is making me realize that I can't live through a franchise, although I really really really want us to succeed Soo badly and just freak up the League, naysayers, folks who call us Hornets or mock us, etc. Overall, this franchise been through alot, has good guys, and still trying to find it's winning ways, I personally can relate to all of those things about my life.

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No, you are a fan! Keep the posts coming.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

God I hope folks don't consider me a troll here. If so I'll stop posting. I really try to add humor and lighten up the seriousness here. I sometimes get emotional because I realize I relate and lived my life through the Pelicans, I feel like I too have a ton of potential, but misfortune keeps finding it's way and I'm not taken seriously, so over the years I felt more connected with this franchise through the ups and certainly the downs with all the tragedies as well on PR (RIP FlyGirl) but all in all I'm trying to disconnect away from this team. I realize I truly care too much and this whole free agency trading rumors fiasco is making me realize that I can't live through a franchise, although I really really really want us to succeed Soo badly and just freak up the League, naysayers, folks who call us Hornets or mock us, etc. Overall, this franchise been through alot, has good guys, and still trying to find it's winning ways, I personally can relate to all of those things about my life.

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Not at all. It's good to have optimists. Guys like you provide a much-needed and appreciated balance to the forums.

Yeah it sucks to wait, especially since we're watching all these other teams making moves and we've done nothing much other than resigning Jrue. At the same time, I keep getting the feeling that something is gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

God I hope folks don't consider me a troll here. If so I'll stop posting. I really try to add humor and lighten up the seriousness here. I sometimes get emotional because I realize I relate and lived my life through the Pelicans, I feel like I too have a ton of potential, but misfortune keeps finding it's way and I'm not taken seriously, so over the years I felt more connected with this franchise through the ups and certainly the downs with all the tragedies as well on PR (RIP FlyGirl) but all in all I'm trying to disconnect away from this team. I realize I truly care too much and this whole free agency trading rumors fiasco is making me realize that I can't live through a franchise, although I really really really want us to succeed Soo badly and just freak up the League, naysayers, folks who call us Hornets or mock us, etc. Overall, this franchise been through alot, has good guys, and still trying to find it's winning ways, I personally can relate to all of those things about my life.

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Not a troll at all. You are just like most of us old Saints fans that had to endure the bag head days to Aaron Brooks passing backwards. We always had that saying "maybe next year". True diehards no bandwagons that jump teams because of players or team success. Gotta love it.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Why do people who have a pessimistic outlook always insist they're the ones who see reality and the rest are in denial?

Jesus, get over yourself. You're talking about sports. It's escapism. None of this is reality.

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Originally Posted by bahmamamba

This deserves a slow clap for the greatness it is......

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Buckwheat is the only bad enough to come off as a troll.

I've actually been here since like 2003. My old account had a hyphen in it. I lost the password. Like way back in HarveyHornet days. Whatever happened to Harvey? I miss him...and I can't remember who ran the board but he was really cool. Knowledgable. I think he went west coast. Was it West Coast Hornet? Then it was like the new guys like Fisher came in and oh my god the board went into this depressive state. I would keep trying to come back but with how low morale was and how hard it is to keep up with the team on this side of the state......and five years ago I had quintuplets....like....for real....five kids......but anyways, I would just come in in spurts.

We may complain about the downers but this is the best the board has been in almost a decade. And it's kind of understandable since we actually have hope now.

Miss the Old heads. I changed names too, used to be ClemsonTiger1906. The true fans are still here. Just tough with a mediocre GM and a team that gets (nor deserves) much love. We good, though! It'll all work out.


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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Buckwheat is the only bad enough to come off as a troll.

I've actually been here since like 2003. My old account had a hyphen in it. I lost the password. Like way back in HarveyHornet days. Whatever happened to Harvey? I miss him...and I can't remember who ran the board but he was really cool. Knowledgable. I think he went west coast. Was it West Coast Hornet? Then it was like the new guys like Fisher came in and oh my god the board went into this depressive state. I would keep trying to come back but with how low morale was and how hard it is to keep up with the team on this side of the state......and five years ago I had quintuplets....like....for real....five kids......but anyways, I would just come in in spurts.

We may complain about the downers but this is the best the board has been in almost a decade. And it's kind of understandable since we actually have hope now.

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I think it was Admin who ran this and saintsreport

Harvey went back to the Charlotte Hornets

Bringing me back to when we would get points under our profile names for random game day competitions like who could guess game day player stats or final score.

Josh Jackson wore #11 at Kansas.
Josh Jackson wants to wear #11 for Suns.
Brandon Knight wears #11 for Suns.
Instead of choosing a new number, JJ is patiently rocking #99 at Summer League.

I'm not saying, but I'm just saying...
Jrue Holiday wears #11 for the Pelicans.
What # will Brandon Knight wear after this weekend?

My guess: we trade Asik, Moore, draft picks, and a poopoo platter of non guaranteed contracts for Knight AND Bledsoe.

Oh hey. I got back in.

say-what was another cool old head.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Josh Jackson wore #11 at Kansas.
Josh Jackson wants to wear #11 for Suns.
Brandon Knight wears #11 for Suns.
Instead of choosing a new number, JJ is patiently rocking #99 at Summer League.

I'm not saying, but I'm just saying...
Jrue Holiday wears #11 for the Pelicans.
What # will Brandon Knight wear after this weekend?

My guess: we trade Asik, Moore, draft picks, and a poopoo platter of non guaranteed contracts for Knight AND Bledsoe.

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It would make mo soooo happy to get two more NBA caliber guards on this team.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Josh Jackson wore #11 at Kansas.
Josh Jackson wants to wear #11 for Suns.
Brandon Knight wears #11 for Suns.
Instead of choosing a new number, JJ is patiently rocking #99 at Summer League.

I'm not saying, but I'm just saying...
Jrue Holiday wears #11 for the Pelicans.
What # will Brandon Knight wear after this weekend?

My guess: we trade Asik, Moore, draft picks, and a poopoo platter of non guaranteed contracts for Knight AND Bledsoe.

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I haven't thought about landing both Bledsoe and Knight.. man that would be a great move imo. That would be a nice guard trio.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Josh Jackson wore #11 at Kansas.
Josh Jackson wants to wear #11 for Suns.
Brandon Knight wears #11 for Suns.
Instead of choosing a new number, JJ is patiently rocking #99 at Summer League.

I'm not saying, but I'm just saying...
Jrue Holiday wears #11 for the Pelicans.
What # will Brandon Knight wear after this weekend?

My guess: we trade Asik, Moore, draft picks, and a poopoo platter of non guaranteed contracts for Knight AND Bledsoe.

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I've been saying... the ONLY shot we have at Bledsoe means taking Knight too. PHX couldn't even get a 2nd rounder for him at the deadline. 45+ million owed to him over the next three years. That's the negative asset we need to take off their hands to make our pupu platter worthwhile.

The Trade:

Bledsoe
Knight

For

Ajinca
Pondexter
Cook
Crawford
Toupane
Asik
1st rd pick
1st rd swap option
2nd pick


If my math is correct that saves them 2-9 million this summer, 15 million next summer, and another 10-12 million the summer after.
We are stuck holding the bag for Knight into a third year when he could be a prime candidate for a buyout, stretch or *hopefully* trade filler for a blockbuster deal (his salary could prove valuable if a team needs to dump a star) to cap off the BoogieBrow experiment. I'm not a cap guru but I think this can be the parameter of an overall net positive trade for the Pels.



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I miss hornet guru. He always kept the board busy by posting lots of trade ideas.


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Originally Posted by PolishFan

If Boston agreed to trade Bradley for Morris and they even had to add a 2nd round pick couldnt we offer something better? I mean why would they need another SF and they lost a pick, and they sent him to a team in the same conference. I dont get it. IMO Bradley would be a perfect fit for us and we should be able to offer something better for him.

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This may be a reason: Heard on the latest Zach Lowe podcast that Marcus Morris is one of the better defenders of Lebron James.

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Originally Posted by Tomdda

This may be a reason: Heard on the latest Zach Lowe podcast that Marcus Morris is one of the better defenders of Lebron James.

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I thought that was Dante Cunningham :)

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Why do people who have a pessimistic outlook always insist they're the ones who see reality and the rest are in denial?

Jesus, get over yourself. You're talking about sports. It's escapism. None of this is reality.

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:2thumb2: :2thumb2: +1

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

God I hope folks don't consider me a troll here.

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At worst, a little naive ;) we love ya fox.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

......and five years ago I had quintuplets....like....for real....five kids......but anyways, I would just come in in spurts.

We may complain about the downers but this is the best the board has been in almost a decade. And it's kind of understandable since we actually have hope now.

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Wow. Congrats on the huge life change. Holy hell. Stick around. We'd love to see you more often if you can find the time.

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Oh hey. I got back in.

say-what was another cool old head.

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Put "remember me" into the browser and stick around, captain :hihi:

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I haven't thought about landing both Bledsoe and Knight.. man that would be a great move imo. That would be a nice guard trio.

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I'd love to have both Bledsoe and knight. At least they are players that we'd play everyday and both just happen to be from Kentucky. Wildcat south here we come. Lol

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I'd love to have both Bledsoe and knight. At least they are players that we'd play everyday and both just happen to be from Kentucky. Wildcat south here we come. Lol

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For some reason having both of them hasn't really worked for Phoenix. Just saying

I wonder what's gonna happen with Dante Cunningham. I wouldnt mind him staying with us

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For some reason having both of them hasn't really worked for Phoenix. Just saying

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Becaus Knight is one of the three worst players in the entire league.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

Becaus Knight is one of the three worst players in the entire league.

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and yet some want him here. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side

I would take Knight if it brought us Bledsoe. He is only 25, and if people are saying that Jrue, AD, and Boogie still haven't reached their prime, then certainly Knight has plenty of room to grow (as he is younger). He can also score, so if you put him on your bench you wont go dry.

At this point, if you aren't upgrading the pg spot you need to upgrade the bench mob.

Also, seeing what guys are being paid, Knight's contract is actually not that bad. It is $13m, $14m, and $15m over the final 3 seasons, and having seen what some mediocre talent is being paid, Knight's contract isn't all that bad. His contract is the 67th highest in the NBA, and while he isn't the 67th best player in the NBA, over the length of his contract his contract will fall in terms of being the highest paid. He is currently pegged between RoLo and JR Smith.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s/players.html

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Becaus Knight is one of the three worst players in the entire league.

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Not even close.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I would take Knight if it brought us Bledsoe. He is only 25, and if people are saying that Jrue, AD, and Boogie still haven't reached their prime, then certainly Knight has plenty of room to grow (as he is younger). He can also score, so if you put him on your bench you wont go dry.

At this point, if you aren't upgrading the pg spot you need to upgrade the bench mob.

Also, seeing what guys are being paid, Knight's contract is actually not that bad. It is $13m, $14m, and $15m over the final 3 seasons, and having seen what some mediocre talent is being paid, Knight's contract isn't all that bad. His contract is the 67th highest in the NBA, and while he isn't the 67th best player in the NBA, over the length of his contract his contract will fall in terms of being the highest paid. He is currently pegged between RoLo and JR Smith.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...s/players.html

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I don't want anything to do w/ Knights contract . Nothing!

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Originally Posted by Tinman

I don't want anything to do w/ Knights contract . Nothing!

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I don't think anyone does, but if it is the necessary evil required to land Bledsoe, its not exactly swallowing poison.