The Pelicans Have Four Options. Here they Are

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Originally Posted by nola007

You know what I'm saying I mean... But it's...it's easy ... to, to talk about... It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about Austin Rivers. And we in here talking about Austin Rivers. I mean, listen, we're talking about Austin Rivers, not a real player, we talking about Austin Rivers. Not a real player. Not a real player, but we're talking about Austin Rivers, man. I mean, how silly is that? ... And we talking about Austin Rivers. I know I supposed to like him like everyone on this form. I know I'm supposed to lead by example... I know that... And i'm not.. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do... But we're talking about Austin Rivers man. What are we talking about? Austin Rivers? We're talking about Austin Rivers, man. We're talking about Austin Rivers. We're talking about Austin Rivers. We ain't talking about a real player. We're talking about Austin Rivers, man.

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Originally Posted by PrimeTimeNOLA

I don't understand why Monty gets so much hate on here and has respect around the league. I mean he has had to deal with alot of turnover every here he has been here. Not just rotational pieces but Key pieces also. Thats every yr having to reteach his system. I think alot of his hate is mostly regurgitation, rather than true substance.

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You know what I'm saying I mean... But it's...it's easy ... to, to talk about... It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about Monty Williams. And we in here talking about Monty Williams. I mean, listen, we're talking about Monty Williams, not a real coach, we talking about Monty Williams. Not a real coach. Not a real coach, but we're talking about Monty Williams, man. I mean, how silly is that? ... And we talking about Monty Williams. I know I supposed to like him like everyone on this form. I know I'm supposed to lead by example... I know that... And i'm not.. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do... But we're talking about Monty Williams man. What are we talking about? Monty Williams? We're talking about Monty Williams, man. We're talking about Monty Williams. We're talking about Monty Williams. We ain't talking about a real coach. We're talking about Monty Williams, man.

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Originally Posted by nola007

You know what I'm saying I mean... But it's...it's easy ... to, to talk about... It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about Monty Williams. And we in here talking about Monty Williams. I mean, listen, we're talking about Monty Williams, not a real coach, we talking about Monty Williams. Not a real coach. Not a real coach, but we're talking about Monty Williams, man. I mean, how silly is that? ... And we talking about Monty Williams. I know I supposed to like him like everyone on this form. I know I'm supposed to lead by example... I know that... And i'm not.. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do... But we're talking about Monty Williams man. What are we talking about? Monty Williams? We're talking about Monty Williams, man. We're talking about Monty Williams. We're talking about Monty Williams. We ain't talking about a real coach. We're talking about Monty Williams, man.

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Originally Posted by nola007

You know what I'm saying I mean... But it's...it's easy ... to, to talk about... It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about Monty Williams. And we in here talking about Monty Williams. I mean, listen, we're talking about Monty Williams, not a real coach, we talking about Monty Williams. Not a real coach. Not a real coach, but we're talking about Monty Williams, man. I mean, how silly is that? ... And we talking about Monty Williams. I know I supposed to like him like everyone on this form. I know I'm supposed to lead by example... I know that... And i'm not.. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do... But we're talking about Monty Williams man. What are we talking about? Monty Williams? We're talking about Monty Williams, man. We're talking about Monty Williams. We're talking about Monty Williams. We ain't talking about a real coach. We're talking about Monty Williams, man.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I am confused as what was different from what he said and I said. You guys misread my post IMO. I never said they were discussing Gordon. It was simple process of elimination. We know it will be Rivers, Gordon, or Ryno. If it aint Ryno, then......

I cant be blamed for others' assumptions.

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You stated that Mason has heard it is Rivers or Gordon. That assumes that he has info that those are the two that they are trying to trade. Mason said all he heard is that it is not Ryno (thereby assuming it has to be Rivers or Gordon). Those are different. Although the assumption is certainly reasonable, the first comment makes it seem like he has heard something specifically rather than through process of elimination. That's the only difference.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

You stated that Mason has heard it is Rivers or Gordon. That assumes that he has info that those are the two that they are trying to trade. Mason said all he heard is that it is not Ryno (thereby assuming it has to be Rivers or Gordon). Those are different. Although the assumption is certainly reasonable, the first comment makes it seem like he has heard something specifically rather than through process of elimination. That's the only difference.

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You know what I'm saying I mean... But it's...it's easy ... to, to talk about... It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about Michael McNamara. And we in here talking about Michael McNamara. I mean, listen, we're talking about Michael McNamara, not a real writer, we talking about Michael McNamara. Not a real writer. Not a real writer, but we're talking about Michael McNamara, man. I mean, how silly is that? ... And we talking about Michael McNamara. I know I supposed to like him like everyone on this form. I know I'm supposed to lead by example... I know that... And i'm not.. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do... But we're talking about Michael McNamara man. What are we talking about? Michael McNamara? We're talking about Michael McNamara, man. We're talking about Michael McNamara. We're talking about Michael McNamara. We ain't talking about a real writer. We're talking about Michael McNamara, man.

*Yawn*

If we already have 7M in cap space 'if' we don't sign any of our free agents how do we not know that the cap
wont increase that extra 1.5M we need?

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

If we already have 7M in cap space 'if' we don't sign any of our free agents how do we not know that the cap
wont increase that extra 1.5M we need?

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That's sort of been the point I keep making

Even if it does (which is EXTREMELY unlikely) I would still say a trade has a 99% chance of happening. Listen to what Dell keeps saying - "We will be aggressive. We will be aggressive."

Even if the cap increases just enough to absorb his contract, that leaves the team with JUST the room exception. And everybody will have been waived or cut. No Bird Rights, so no sign and trades. You would have the room exception and min. contracts to improve the roster.

Making one of these trades not only gives you the room, but it helps you keep Bird Rights, the MLE, and the BAE. So, even if the cap is somehow higher than projected, it wouldnt make sense for Dell to just absorb the contract and kill off all his ways to be aggressive.

Please reread Mason's statement. He did not say that they will not trade Ryno. I think every player can be traded except for AD. It will be difficult for management to trade Jrue because of his injury and the price the Pels paid to acquire him. Evans is not a fit here but I can't see any takers. He is very available though especially with the trade for Asik.

What is really frightening is that MM is a teacher. Just happy he teaches in Utah and not NOLA. Maybe Mason can explain the difference to MM.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Even if it does (which is EXTREMELY unlikely) I would still say a trade has a 99% chance of happening. Listen to what Dell keeps saying - "We will be aggressive. We will be aggressive."

Even if the cap increases just enough to absorb his contract, that leaves the team with JUST the room exception. And everybody will have been waived or cut. No Bird Rights, so no sign and trades. You would have the room exception and min. contracts to improve the roster.

Making one of these trades not only gives you the room, but it helps you keep Bird Rights, the MLE, and the BAE. So, even if the cap is somehow higher than projected, it wouldnt make sense for Dell to just absorb the contract and kill off all his ways to be aggressive.

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If we just absorb Asik out right we have no depth at all. We'd have to play 7 guys all year just to have a chance at seeing the post season. With the injury history we're developing we'd be out of the playoffs hunt by Feb.

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Originally Posted by durun

Please reread Mason's statement. He did not say that they will not trade Ryno. I think every player can be traded except for AD. It will be difficult for management to trade Jrue because of his injury and the price the Pels paid to acquire him. Evans is not a fit here but I can't see any takers. He is very available though especially with the trade for Asik.

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Gonna need some explanation there...

What about option #5: Asik trade falls apart because (1) can't get anyone to agree to 1-4 or (2) Pels won't do one of the options and that is the only one they can get another team to take. Wouldn't be the first DOA NBA Trade.

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Originally Posted by durun

Please reread Mason's statement. He did not say that they will not trade Ryno. I think every player can be traded except for AD. It will be difficult for management to trade Jrue because of his injury and the price the Pels paid to acquire him. Evans is not a fit here but I can't see any takers. He is very available though especially with the trade for Asik.

What is really frightening is that MM is a teacher. Just happy he teaches in Utah and not NOLA. Maybe Mason can explain the difference to MM.

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And my statement, "They would only trade Ryno if blown away by an offer."

No clue what your objective here is, but it reeks of desperation to try to look superior when you contribute absolutely nothing here. So, either lets discuss what actually matters or just remain quiet. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by cki3915

What about option #5: Asik trade falls apart because (1) can't get anyone to agree to 1-4 or (2) Pels won't do one of the options and that is the only one they can get another team to take. Wouldn't be the first DOA NBA Trade.

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This would make the Pelicans almost impossible to trade with in the future. If you tell a team you will do a deal and then back out because you messed up, it would blackball your franchise.

If it somehow got to a point where they couldnt give away Rivers or Gordon or Ryno, they could stretch Austin Rivers and have enough to get the deal done. But I dont think we have to worry about it getting to that.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If we just absorb Asik out right we have no depth at all. We'd have to play 7 guys all year just to have a chance at seeing the post season. With the injury history we're developing we'd be out of the playoffs hunt by Feb.

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Exactly. It has to be a deal that lets us preserve other options to fill out the back end of the roster. You would lose Ajinca, Withey, Babbitt, Roberts, Smith, Morrow, Miller, and Aminu with only the room exception and the min. exceptions to fill the rest of your roster out. That just wouldnt make sense and it wouldnt allow Demps to be aggressive at all.

It probably has already been asked...till when does dell realistically have to make this trade?

Really hope to bring back one of Smith/Alexis A. And Anthony Morrow, everybody else could go.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

It probably has already been asked...till when does dell realistically have to make this trade?

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Before the Moratorium is lifted, which according to most reports will be July 10th. Some say July 8th. He has got plenty of time

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Before the Moratorium is lifted, which according to most reports will be July 10th. Some say July 8th. He has got plenty of time

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On one hand that's definitely good news..

But on the other...oh god, more waiting, please nnnnnoooooooooooooooooo

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

It probably has already been asked...till when does dell realistically have to make this trade?

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July 1st as late as July 8 or 10.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

On one hand that's definitely good news..

But on the other...oh god, more waiting, please nnnnnoooooooooooooooooo

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Hey, we waited like three weeks for Greg Odens answer. We can wait on this!

Is it that whatever we are doing to get the space can't happen until free agency starts or that we have t decided what we're doing? Obviously Dell must have an option on the table that works or the Asik deal wouldn't be this far along. So can it just not happen, or is Dell maybe still trying to find a way to make space he likes better?

My guess is Dell has a deal he could make to trade Ryan (possibly with Phoenix), a deal he could make to trade Rivers, and is hoping he doesn't have to do either and can either A) trade Gordon or B) convince Loomis/Benson that stretching Gordon is only/best option. If nothing happens with Gordon, they'll pursue Rivers deal and if for some reason that falls apart, they'll do push for more assets and do a Ryan deal.

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Originally Posted by Hugeaux II

Is it that whatever we are doing to get the space can't happen until free agency starts or that we have t decided what we're doing? Obviously Dell must have an option on the table that works or the Asik deal wouldn't be this far along. So can it just not happen, or is Dell maybe still trying to find a way to make space he likes better?

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No way to know this but my guess is that there are 1 or 2 fail safe options that can be done at any time and so Dell is exploring other avenues and seeing if something better can be done. Just a guess though

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

No way to know this but my guess is that there are 1 or 2 fail safe options that can be done at any time and so Dell is exploring other avenues and seeing if something better can be done. Just a guess though

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I, for one, feel that this is a very, very accurate guess.....

My guess is that Eric Gordon is traded or stretched based on Dell's press conference quote when asked about Tyreke and Gordon role on team:
"It will take care of itself"

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Originally Posted by DRDJ1

My guess is that Eric Gordon is traded or stretched based on Dell's press conference quote when asked about Tyreke and Gordon role on team:
"It will take care of itself"

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I sort of agree. If Dell is on the hottest of the hot seats, he couldn't care less about future dead money.

Also a team trading for Gordon also realizes that on the worst case scenario -Gordon sucks and doesn't opt out next summer -they have the option of buying him out and stretching him. Depending of the situation (Chicago if they miss on Melo) Gordon could be worth the risk.

Just a shame we can't give Gordon a Bobby Bonilla type deal and send him on his way.

When I saw "stretching Gordon" I thought we were talking about playing him at SF. Thank god I kept reading

Gordon needs to stretch so he doesn't get hurt so often. ba dum cha!

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Originally Posted by RhythmNathan

When I saw "stretching Gordon" I thought we were talking about playing him at SF. Thank god I kept reading

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I remember a Brady Bunch episode where one of the boys thought that if he hung from a bar all day that he would grow faster. Might be worth a try if we are forced to keep him.

Best case scenario would be to trade Gordon for another bad deal in a four player trade to a team with cap space. The deal can be submitted separately to crate the trade exception. Something like Gordon (14mill) traded into Boston's cap space for Joel Anthony (3.8), then we execute a 2nd trade sending Austin Rivers to Boston for Gerald Wallace (10 mill)'s terrible deal. That creates a 10 million dollar trade exception for us, doesn't shift either teams cap space considerably (Boston picks up Rivers' 2.3 million cap number), and boston picks up a prospect/asset they like in Rivers. Not to mention Gordon is an infinitely better player than Wallace at this point. Having the trade exception would allow us to slide Asik into that, while keeping our cap space, our MLE, and our Biannual exceptions to re-sign our own guys that we want, sign a starting SF w/ the MLE, and bring back Morrow w/ the Biannual. Also, if Wallace's head is on straight, he could be a valuable veteran piece to chip in at the 3 and even the some at the 4. It would also free up Boston to move Rondo and go w/ the Smart/Gordon/Avery Bradley/Rivers backcourt in their rebuild.

Not something I heard of course, but something like this would be a best case scenario I think. Creating the cap exception is ideal. It allows us to keep all of our other means of improving while absorbing Asik. I don't think dumping rivers works for us, because if we dump him and trade Asik into cap space, we lose our cap space, our MLE, and our Biannual. I don't think DD is willing to do that. The same trade could be made with, for example, Milwaukee for ZaZa Paculia (5.2) AND OJ Mayo (8 million). They need a salary that is 6 million or less to deal Gordon for to make the necessary trade exception.

Every year a trade happens where we all sit up and say 'how did a contract that bad get traded?' - and the 2 guard is a very thin position around the league, so I'm hopeful...

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Originally Posted by Hugeaux II

Every year a trade happens where we all sit up and say 'how did a contract that bad get traded?' - and the 2 guard is a very thin position around the league, so I'm hopeful...

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Exactly this! I'm a first time long time so I'll try and be brief... We are all frustrated with EG. Whether being from how he handled his free agency, his glass-knee-itis, etc. the list goes on. But hopefully our Front Office isn't blinded by those frustrations like our fan base is and give too much to dump him. Look, EG has not lived up to his contract, we all know this extremely well, but the way this off season is shaping up has me slightly optimistic.

Believe it or not his contract is not the worst out there. I see it as if we're getting .66 cents on the dollar, meaning of the $15 million he's owed, he's producing at a $10 million value. I think dleboeuf84 has the right method just wrong team.

First issue is that BOS thinks they're buyers when in all actuality they're sellers. Gerald Walllace is far from his prime and is valued at .35 cents on the dollar (of the $10 million he is owed $3.5 million value) and has 2 years left on his contract, I'll pass.

Secondly we should be focusing on trades with small markets. Teams that are more desperate to get players through trades rather than free agency, sound familiar NOLA.

Last but not least is need. After Wade and Stephenson resign with their teams, EG will look a whole lot better. Especially to eastern conference teams that realize the laws of returns. I honestly think that he could make a team 5 wins better and we all now what 5 games means in the lEastern Conference.

We need to talk to 6 teams: TOR, CHA, ATL, DET, PHI and MIL. I know all of these aren't small markets but they fall into that non destination category, are sellers, and have a huge gaping whole at SG.

My favorite scenario is with TOR. After they resign Lowry, they'll turn their attention to perimeter help for him. Insert EG and move Derozan too the wing. TOR literally has 5 SF's and just drafted another one in DeAndre Daniels. If we can convince them to send us Landry Fields for EG + 2nd rounder + cash = profit for both squads. They get spacing and the chance of getting a SG capable of being top 5 in that position in the east and we get cap space and a guy who when was healthy in NY was a decent SF.

I know too long but I'm bored watching Futbal.

The problem with moving Gordon(and bad contracts in the future) lays with a couple things.

1st the cap is getting much tighter. It no longer just a case of paying the luxury tax. It's now becoming a situation where you need the space or you can't add a guy. Which means that even teams like the Mavs or the Lakers can't just say what the hell likes make a run at whoever. They have to ship someone(usually equally as bad) to make the salaries match.

Next Gordon has a awful history of injuries. So while somebody may take Rudy Gay's bad/awful contract because they know while his production doesn't match his salary he'll at least be on the court "earning" his money and not in the trainers room or in L.A. rehabbing.

I can't see how any GM in the league would be willing to put their jobs on the line trading for Eric Gordon. Especially when we finally got to see him the healthiest he's been in several seasons and didn't look anything like the promising guard he was sold as when he 1st got here.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The problem with moving Gordon(and bad contracts in the future) lays with a couple things.

1st the cap is getting much tighter. It no longer just a case of paying the luxury tax. It's now becoming a situation where you need the space or you can't add a guy. Which means that even teams like the Mavs or the Lakers can't just say what the hell likes make a run at whoever. They have to ship someone(usually equally as bad) to make the salaries match.

Next Gordon has a awful history of injuries. So while somebody may take Rudy Gay's bad/awful contract because they know while his production doesn't match his salary he'll at least be on the court "earning" his money and not in the trainers room or in L.A. rehabbing.

I can't see how any GM in the league would be willing to put their jobs on the line trading for Eric Gordon. Especially when we finally got to see him the healthiest he's been in several seasons and didn't look anything like the promising guard he was sold as when he 1st got here.

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So with this as your belief, you will agree right here and now that if Dell dumps him that you will give him props, right?

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Originally Posted by Payton Miles

Exactly this! I'm a first time long time so I'll try and be brief... We are all frustrated with EG. Whether being from how he handled his free agency, his glass-knee-itis, etc. the list goes on. But hopefully our Front Office isn't blinded by those frustrations like our fan base is and give too much to dump him. Look, EG has not lived up to his contract, we all know this extremely well, but the way this off season is shaping up has me slightly optimistic.

Believe it or not his contract is not the worst out there. I see it as if we're getting .66 cents on the dollar, meaning of the $15 million he's owed, he's producing at a $10 million value. I think dleboeuf84 has the right method just wrong team.

First issue is that BOS thinks they're buyers when in all actuality they're sellers. Gerald Walllace is far from his prime and is valued at .35 cents on the dollar (of the $10 million he is owed $3.5 million value) and has 2 years left on his contract, I'll pass.

Secondly we should be focusing on trades with small markets. Teams that are more desperate to get players through trades rather than free agency, sound familiar NOLA.

Last but not least is need. After Wade and Stephenson resign with their teams, EG will look a whole lot better. Especially to eastern conference teams that realize the laws of returns. I honestly think that he could make a team 5 wins better and we all now what 5 games means in the lEastern Conference.

We need to talk to 6 teams: TOR, CHA, ATL, DET, PHI and MIL. I know all of these aren't small markets but they fall into that non destination category, are sellers, and have a huge gaping whole at SG.

My favorite scenario is with TOR. After they resign Lowry, they'll turn their attention to perimeter help for him. Insert EG and move Derozan too the wing. TOR literally has 5 SF's and just drafted another one in DeAndre Daniels. If we can convince them to send us Landry Fields for EG + 2nd rounder + cash = profit for both squads. They get spacing and the chance of getting a SG capable of being top 5 in that position in the east and we get cap space and a guy who when was healthy in NY was a decent SF.

I know too long but I'm bored watching Futbal.

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Welcome to the board. Good post.

Only thing I would disagree with is that Gordon is giving $10 million in value with his play. I'd say it's closer to 7-8 and that's when healthy, which isn't often. It'll be tough to trade that contract, but I'm feeling more optimistic about it this summer then ever before.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So with this as your belief, you will agree right here and now that if Dell dumps him that you will give him props, right?

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When have I not given him props for things I have agreed with or under the circumstance deals? Certainly you aren't trying to paint me as someone who doesn't take his medicine we he is wrong?

If anything at this point my opinions have proven to be more flexible than most here.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

When have I not given him props for things I have agreed with or under the circumstance deals? Certainly you aren't trying to paint me as someone who doesn't take his medicine we he is wrong?

If anything at this point my opinions have proven to be more flexible than most here.

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Never said any of those things. Just asking ahead of time.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Never said any of those things. Just asking ahead of time.

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I know I'm not trippin'.

At this point I don't even fault Demps he's saving his job. I can't imagine I would be doing anything else in his shoes. I like the fit of Asik next to Davis. The future 1st is terrible in my world, but in his reality what difference does it make? He won't be here to make the pick if we don't make a huge jump in record this year.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I know I'm not trippin'.

At this point I don't even fault Demps he's saving his job. I can't imagine I would be doing anything else in his shoes. I like the fit of Asik next to Davis. The future 1st is terrible in my world, but in his reality what difference does it make? He won't be here to make the pick if we don't make a huge jump in record this year.

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Does the future 1st to you matter less, if say we are good enough to keep it next year and don't give it away for a few years? I mean, if we land around 23 next year, keep the pick and re-sign Asik, that trade looks a little different, no?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I know I'm not trippin'.

At this point I don't even fault Demps he's saving his job. I can't imagine I would be doing anything else in his shoes. I like the fit of Asik next to Davis. The future 1st is terrible in my world, but in his reality what difference does it make? He won't be here to make the pick if we don't make a huge jump in record this year.

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I think that's where people have a problem with you. You view it as "Dell saving his job". I think most people here view it as a good move. I can't imagine we will ever see you commend a move this franchise makes.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Does the future 1st to you matter less, if say we are good enough to keep it next year and don't give it away for a few years? I mean, if we land around 23 next year, keep the pick and re-sign Asik, that trade looks a little different, no?

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Here the problem we never know we can only base opinions on the now. I don't think we are a playoff team even after this Asik deal. So IMO we gave away a lottery pick for a guy we aren't likely to retain next year. Of course we don't know and the pick isn't that big of a deal 20 and up.

So to answer your question of course if everything works out the deal looks different. It is such an obvious concept IMO it's not even worth the discussion. We should be discussing IMO are the chances "it" does go right.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Here the problem we never know we can only base opinions on the now. I don't think we are a playoff team even after this Asik deal. So IMO we gave away a lottery pick for a guy we aren't likely to retain next year. Of course we don't know and the pick isn't that big of a deal 20 and up.

So to answer your question of course if everything works out the deal looks different. It is such an obvious concept IMO it's not even worth the discussion. We should be discussing IMO are the chances "it" does go right.

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And see, I think we are a playoff team and Asik is re-signed, so two different ideas of the future give us two different perceptions of the trade in the present I suppose

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I think that's where people have a problem with you. You view it as "Dell saving his job". I think most people here view it as a good move. I can't imagine we will ever see you commend a move this franchise makes.

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Who doesn't view it as him saving his job? We all believe he was given the directive to win now. We all believe after last season his seat is hotter than the year before(we can debate just how hot the seat is). So to say he's not "GMing" for his job is asinine at any point in any GM's career let alone the position Demps find himself in with an owner who wants to win now. Whether you view it as the right decision doesn't change the fact that his job is in danger more than it's been at any other time Dell has been our GM. It's illogical to think Demps would make the right decision long term when his job is in jeopardy short term.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And see, I think we are a playoff team and Asik is re-signed, so two different ideas of the future give us two different perceptions of the trade in the present I suppose

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I think as two logical thinking people we have long came to this conclusion. This is why I don't say anybody is wrong to often I just merely point out where I disagree and make my case. I certainly won't be shock if this team is in the post season the talent is there. Now the question becomes chemistry and the bench. All things that I feel will hurt us and prevent us from becoming a playoff team in such an insane conference.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I think as two logical thinking people we have long came to this conclusion. This is why I don't say anybody is wrong to often I just merely point out where I disagree and make my case. I certainly won't be shock if this team is in the post season the talent is there. Now the question becomes chemistry and the bench. All things that I feel will hurt us and prevent us from becoming a playoff deep in such an insane conference.

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I think that if you look at the conference as a whole it looks insane, but if you look at each team individually, you only see 4 teams that are a lock for the playoffs IMO. I can't find a 5th that I would definitely put over us, especially if Gordon is gone and a SF is here

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Who doesn't view it as him saving his job? We all believe he was given the directive to win now. We all believe after last season his seat is hotter than the year before(we can debate just how hot the seat is). So to say he's not "GMing" for his job is asinine at any point in any GM's career let alone the position Demps find himself in with an owner who wants to win now. Whether you view it as the right decision doesn't change the fact that his job is in danger more than it's been at any other time Dell has been our GM. It's illogical to think Demps would make the right decision long term when his job is in jeopardy short term.

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And this is why I said it was pointless to discuss this stuff with you. You see it fundamentally different than almost everyone else.