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What trade? whichever comes along from bradley beal to zach levine..... to whoever. Of course you don't give the same thing due to one isnt as good as the other
I'm ever so slowly creeping towards the "The Pels should hold out until Lillard becomes available" camp
The problem is that there's no sign yet that that will happen within the next 2, 3, 4 years. Of course it always could, but Lillard has never stopped re-committing himself to Portland, and their FO seems quite content to just be a good playoff team every year even if there's no clear championship path.
The question I ask myself is if I?m willing to wait 1-2 years to see what happens and miss out on guys like Bradley Beal. I think the answer is yes but I?m not positive. Its kind of the Celtics conundrum, right?
The other question is can I trade for Bradley Beal and still trade for Lillard later. That answer may be yes as well but it would probably cost Beal or Ingram plus assets
As a small market team you take what becomes available and go all out. I thought we made a good deal with cousins. If he doesn’t get injured I think we have a better season. I’ve been on the Beal train even when he had the ankle injury. He fits a need offensively but we still need a lot of help defensively.
Just wait. We may end up with a good player this year if/when we don't make the playoffs. Our growth is slow but showing improvement. Any/all of Lonzo/Bledsoe/Redick look expendable though. Would give the young guys burn too. Would be nice to get whatever late picks/bodies you can get for them now and let Naw/Kira get a lot of burn. Continue the evaluation, take the presumed top 15 pick+ this year then next year entertain conceptually a big move. If it doesn't materialize you still have plenty of time.
Report: Knicks, Mavericks and Clippers among teams interested in availability of Lonzo Ball https://t.co/jvNIiISrUM
— NBA Central (@TheNBACentral) January 20, 2021
If only "ScoopB" had a shred of credibility.
Yeah my bad, I should have added
''The source for this is Scoop B, so it's almost certainly just him making stuff up, as usual''. My bad.
Just thinking, if those teams were interested in Ball, what kind of deals would you want from them? What good assets do they have?
Something for the trade machine later lmao
Let's get rid of them both......
Knicks Get
Eric Bledsoe
Lou Williams
Daniel Oturu
Clippers Get
Lonzo Ball
Kevin Knox ll
Pelicans Get
Frank Ntilikina
Luke Kennard
Mfioundu Kabengele
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5fy3ryg
Man, is there anyway we can get Lou Williams?
Knox is an interesting figure. Here are his stats for his first two seasons (140 games):
9.9pts/3.7rbds/1.0ast on 36.7/33.7/69.7 shooting. Net Rating of -21, TS% of 47.4%, -1.2 total Win Shares, -5.2 BPM. Just over 3000 minutes.
Here are his stats so far this season:
7.7pts/2.7rbds/0.9asts on 41.7/41.8/80.0 shooting. Net Rating of -7, TS% of 55.53%, +0.4 total Win Shares, -1.3 BPM. Only about 300 total minutes.
If you trade for Knox, you're essentially betting that the efficiency improvement he's shown so far is legitimate and that he can therefore be a sort of reasonable shooter at his size based on a super small sample: he's been taking about 4 threes per game so far this year. Then again, on the other hand, if he fails is he worse than Ball? Could be addition by subtraction where just getting Ball out of the rotation to free up legit minutes for NAW and Kira helps more than adding Knox does.
It wouldn't be my first thought, but I can see the process behind it. Knox legitimately had been awful before this year though, so it's a huge gamble.
It's also worth noting that you do kind of kick the can down the road with having the pay-up or have someone walk. Knox is only in his 3rd year, whereas Lonzo is in his 4th. If you don't resign or trade Lonzo this year, he just walks. With Knox, that same situation doesn't happen for another year so you get a little more time to see if his shooting is an actual thing.
I got no interest in that. We have 48 minutes of C in the form of Adams and Jax, and if we ever have foul issues and need a 3rd, Hernangomez exists. Plus Zion gets occasional minutes at the 5 as well. No need for another big.
If you were to trade for Knox, you'd be putting him in as a backup 4 basically, and never seeing Melli again. Thank god.
Sure, but if we're looking for new figures really it's SG and SF for me. C is fine, flawed but I see the strategy. PF obviously there's Zion and in this situation Knox would be a flyer at that position. PG would have Bledsoe and Kira and sort-of-NAW as options to spread the minutes (unless we also move Bledsoe but that's another discussion).
So you're left with SG and SF, where you have the Molding Remains of JJ Redick and Hart who is good as a hustle/energy guy but is kind of a tweener and not really fully suitable for SF. So that's the avenue I'd be looking at with trying to pick someone up.
Dangling Redick on the market, possibly with some seconds attached, to see if you could get anything of potential value back is a possibility.
The only roster move I want is two more 3s and a vet 4. Cut the guards down by 2.
In fairness, I think Kira is a point guard, rather than a combo, so we do have one available that should be getting 20 minutes a night. Really we just need one other guy.
Move Lonzo, JJ, Melli, and potentially some picks. There's not a huge amount out there available for that price but almost anything would be better than what we have right now, and the opportunities added for guys like Kira have their own value.
If we trade Lonzo I hope it?s for pics and an expiring contract. Don?t want some vet on a 3 year deal who will be past his prime when we?re ready to make a run. Clear cap space, get pics, draft players who fit the mold and sign players who fit the timeline
Robinson is probably going to get Joe Harris type money from Miami
I don't think we'd even have enough cap space to sign him
Buddy Hield for JJ and Lonzo is intriguing to me
We get a lights out shooter (not much else), Sac Town gets 2 expirings and can move Haliburton to start with Fox
And we reunite ourselves with a top 10 pick, which is pretty romantic
Think Buddy could do really well being the third banana to Zion and Ingram
Plus we still save all of our warchest of assets
I like....I like a lot.
Bear in mind though, that Miami has a ton of expiring contracts and Club Options this year. At Guard, I think Robinson and Nunn are RFA's and Dragic is a Club Option at 18MM as is Bradley at 5.35MM. With Herro starting at the 2, they don't need everyone.
Ah yeah, I didn't realise it was declining. For some reason I had it in my head that he ended up on like $25m by the end of the deal. That makes it a lot more interesting.
It doesn't solve the defense problems whatsoever, but Buddy is a legitimately incredible shooter and he's proven that over multiple seasons at this point. Would definitely be interesting to see his shooting next to Zion and Ingram.
Just for reference for anyone who hasn't looked at the numbers for a while, here's Buddy's 3pt stats every year of his career:
2016-17: 148/379 (39.1%) - 4.6 attempts per game
2017-18: 176/408 (43.1%) - 5.1 attempts per game
2018-19: 276/651 (42.7%) - 7.9 attempts per game
2019-20: 271/688 (39.4%) - 9.6 attempts per game
2020-21: 54/147 (36.7%) - 10.5 attempts per game [so far]
Career: 927/2273 (40.8%) in only 330 games.
There have been 17 seasons in NBA history where a player has shot at least 39% on over 600 3PAs. Only 3 players have done it more than once.
- Buddy (2x)
- Klay (2x)
- Steph (6x)
The other guys who have done it once: Lillard, Duncan Robinson, Dennis Scott, Paul George, Kemba Walker, JJ Redick, Ray Allen.
Kennard is good and fun and again, can shoot. Which is always nice. He's on a pretty big deal right now though, about $15m a year until 2024 then with a team option after that. Good, in a sense, because if you got him you have him for a while and he's not that old and it's not crazy money per year, but bad cause those same thinsg increase the trade cost.
Depends. Buddy is obviously the better shooter. Kennard is younger though, and cheaper, and his contract has a team option on it which is always attractive.
Comparing last year (for larger sample):
2pt percentage: Kennard (49.1%) beat Buddy (47.9%)
TS%: Kennard (58.9%) beat Buddy (56.6%)
AST%: Kennard (19.2%) beat Buddy (15.5%)
TOV%: Kennard (10.3%) beat Buddy (12.3%)
STL%: Buddy (1.4%) beat Kennard (0.6%)
BLK%: Buddy (0.7%) beat Kennard (0.5%)
BPM: Buddy (+1.4) beat Kennard (-0.3)
So far this season, Kennard has a higher BLK% and BPM as well, and his TS% so far is 66.2% which is much higher than Buddy's 52.5%. Buddy's having a real real real slump from 2pt range so far this year (sub-40%) so a lot of those stats for him have taken a massive hit over the first 14 games.
So far this season, Buddy has been a 36.7% 3pt shooter on 11.3 attempts per 36: Kennard has been a 50.0% 3pt shooter on about half that volume, around 5.5 attempts per game. They're both elite FT shooters: Buddy at 85%, Kennard at 90% so far this year.
I would still call Buddy the better shooter despite the lowered raw percentage, because his multiple years of super high volume evidence telling me it's definitely real and he could easily have a bounce back, but Kennard does have things in his favour, such as his age, contract, and some minor auxiliary stuff like passing.
The one thing that makes me think we would never do a Buddy deal is how much Griff has talked about valuing high quality people. Not saying Buddy isn't a good person, he might be, but all the drama and mess that surrounded his contract stuff with the Kings a while ago, combined with his unknown-age thing, makes me think that would put Griff off.
Depends on what the Pels' plans are for their future cap. They are looking several years down the road with respect to cap commitments. Kennard is cheaper and has an option, so more flexibility. He is also almost 4 years younger. However, I would suspect Buddy would be easier to acquire.
Yeah NAW and Kira has made Bledsoe and Lonzo expendable. Need to clear more minutes for those 2 and allow them to develop, because their potential looks alot better than Zo and Bledsoe IMO.
Plus Didi should be coming next year. We can use 2 GOOD wing shooters...we can't shoot worth a damm.
At this point, anyone that can play basketball and make a competent play is better than Zo and Bledsoe. Bledsoe has been playing decent but Zo is downright awful.
anyone care to structure a legit trade that would center around Ball to the Mav's and Seth Curry to us? Picks? Other players? I feel Curry could fit in here pretty nicely....