Another patented YIKES H
half by the pels.
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02-21-2021, 03:37 PMSeapeaNOLA
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02-21-2021, 03:39 PMAs I See ItAs a rule, I never go here, but there sure seems to be an imbalance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chavan30
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02-21-2021, 03:39 PMChavan30
So what’s everyone’s guess for final margin of victory? I say the Pels keep it within 15-17.
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02-21-2021, 03:39 PMFuncrusher
Zion getting zero touches in a stretch of like, 3 mins. Fireable offense. Getting tired of Ingram's schtick too, terrible decision maker.
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02-21-2021, 03:40 PMAll MetroQuote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:41 PMChavan30Yes, this is one of the reasons I want the Pels to be a sustainable winner. Teams like the Celtics, Lakers, etc. get the benefit of the calls....Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
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02-21-2021, 03:41 PMPelicanidae
What might be Zion's worst half all season, combine with usual poor decision making from Bledsoe, Redick shooting like garbage again, Ingram being off, and Hernangomez going 2/8 from the field combine for ugly basketball.
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02-21-2021, 03:41 PMAs I See It
I know most of you want to turn the keys over to Kira and NAW, but, COME ON MAN!!!
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02-21-2021, 03:42 PMPelicanidaeWe'll either pull it back in the third just to have it slip away late, or we'll get clobbered hard enough that it's a full garbage time game for 6 or 7 minutes at the end where the score will end up being closer than the game actually was just cause of backup v backup lineups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chavan30
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02-21-2021, 03:42 PMNichols
Zion's going to destroy guys like Triston when that outside J is at least decent. It's only a matter of time. I'm actually okay with him taking 3's when they leave him that wide open.
I'd also like Ingram to work on passing "ON TARGET"... He will often make the right read, with the pass off target. -
02-21-2021, 03:42 PMAs I See It...and of course there's that bum, Lonzo, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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02-21-2021, 03:43 PMPelicanidaeCounter argument: Yes it shouldQuote:
Originally Posted by All Metro
and even if it shouldn't, that doesn't mean you shouldn't even let him touch the ball for huge spans of time. If you have a guy with such massive gravity out there on the floor, use him, even if only as a decoy in plays for other people. -
02-21-2021, 03:43 PMNicholsIngram is 4 for 9.. I wouldn't characterize that as off. Though it's not a high percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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02-21-2021, 03:44 PM6warddudecome on man, dont start this today....you are looking at the game and see whats going on....Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:44 PMPelicanidaeAbsolutely agree on Zion: some games, I'd actually like him taking more of them. There are those games where he's 8/10 from the floor, shoots a three and swishes it, and then the next play down he's got a wide open three and he just hesitates. I'd like him to just take those sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichols
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02-21-2021, 03:44 PMFuncrusherMy question is, why hasn't Stan realized this yet? I know he's trying to ease Zion into a playmaking role but there has to be some middle ground between that and Zion not getting touches and Ingram doing... whatever the hell he's doing. This is embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by All Metro
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02-21-2021, 03:45 PMAs I See ItYeah, I think we should trade both Ingram and Lonzo, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:45 PMFuncrusherI think he was talking about Ingram DaeQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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02-21-2021, 03:45 PMPelicanidaeHe started the game 1 of 5, I think. It was a cold cold cold start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nichols
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02-21-2021, 03:45 PMPelicanidaeMy bad, if that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:46 PMFuncrusherWhat in the sam hell are you talking about, troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
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02-21-2021, 03:47 PMAll MetroMax player has max expectations. I don't know if we have a guy right now that the offense can successfully run through. Zion makes questionable decisions when double teamed as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:49 PMAs I See ItMy name is not Sam Hell. You want to crush Ingram and turn a blind eye to Zion. That says all we need to know about your perspectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:49 PMPelicanidaeZion is 20 years old and has been used in a ballhandling capacity for about 13 games. I'd be shocked speechless if he didn't make questionable decisions sometimes, especially since more often than not he's triple teamed rather than doubled. I don't think he's going to be the full-time ballhandler for 36 minutes at his peak, but let's simmer down a bit on ''we don't have the guy'' talk at this point there lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by All Metro
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02-21-2021, 03:49 PMFuncrusherYeah, I see what's going on. I see Ingram doing a terrible job of being the primary offensive engine. What, you think that means I want Ingram traded or something? No, I don't. Stop being so protective of a player who absolutely doesn't deserve it. Jesus christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6warddude
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02-21-2021, 03:50 PMFuncrusherI'm not even among the most harsh critics of Ingram, but, kQuote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
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02-21-2021, 03:52 PMPelicanidaeWild that anyone can accuse you of wanting to crush Ingram when I exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:52 PMPELICANSFANCeltics getting away with a lot of reach ins and contact when he gets inside as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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02-21-2021, 03:53 PMFuncrusherAgain, Im not asking for Zion to be the full time ballhandler, but there has to be some middle ground between that and him just not getting the ball. He's your best offensive player (I hope we all agree on that), feed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by All Metro
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02-21-2021, 03:54 PMPelicanidaeYeah, absolutely. I think 2 of his 3 turnovers have come on clear reaches, honestly, but you know the refs aren't really going to call that. At least not every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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02-21-2021, 03:54 PMsting
Pathetic, looks like lottery again this year.
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02-21-2021, 03:54 PMPelicanidaeCade or Mobley plsQuote:
Originally Posted by sting
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02-21-2021, 03:55 PMFuncrusherSeriously. They must have you and I confused or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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02-21-2021, 03:55 PM6warddudedude you know damn well im not with the ingram trade talk or ever accused you of it......you see zion head is not in the game and boston is in the paint.....zion should not have been running the offense at the end of the half the way the game was going....Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:55 PMAs I See It
I know we throw out stat lines when it suits us. Well who own this?
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02-21-2021, 03:55 PMNichols:hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 03:57 PMNichols
Celtics get touch foul calls.. Ingram and Zion absorb contact in the paint with no call..
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02-21-2021, 03:57 PMPelicanNation
Looking like a G League team right now. Players dont seem to even care..like zombies.
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02-21-2021, 03:57 PMPelicanidaeHey, you gotta be able to laugh at yourself sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by Nichols
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02-21-2021, 03:58 PMsting
Embarrassing National TV game again.
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02-21-2021, 03:58 PMNicholsTruth..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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02-21-2021, 04:00 PMAs I See ItNobody can confuse you two; one of you has a brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 04:03 PMFuncrusherI understand Boston is packing the paint on Zion, but honestly I'd be more comfortable with giving Zion the opportunity to try to learn to counter that strategy then I am with Ingram making haphazard decisions and throwing errant passes every other possession. Like, I like Ingram and think he's a max player, but I think at this point we should all realize he's just not suited for the role of primary playmaker. If we're gonna lose regardless, I'd rather use this game to try and foster Zion's furthered development. But that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6warddude
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02-21-2021, 04:04 PMFuncrusherDamn, how will I ever recover from that stinging blow :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
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02-21-2021, 04:05 PMNichols
I was telling you guys in the other game thread.. that most players aren't going to look good on offense trying to generate their own offense. Which is why part of the reason why Ingram has had some issues in the 4th.
You're now seeing Zion struggle a bit working one on one against Triston. The offensive sets aren't generating any open looks for him, or Ingram.
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02-21-2021, 04:06 PMNichols
Again.. Zion one on one..
And it's not his fault.. Players will wing it.. Iso, or run picks outside of structure. Or a lack of a system to run. -
02-21-2021, 04:07 PMPelicanidaeWhereas I'm feeling rather flattered :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Funcrusher
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02-21-2021, 04:07 PMPelicanidae
Not sure if this is the worst game of Zion's career thus far, at least a scorer, or if last year's Milwaukee game was worse. Roles are different so it's hard to compare.
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02-21-2021, 04:07 PMFreyfamilyreuni
Our guards can’t keep anyone in front of them
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02-21-2021, 04:08 PMPelicanidaeWe do not have a single ''great'' defensive guard on the roster. Not one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyfamilyreuni