2019 Official NBA Free Agent thread

Bulls looking to trade Dunn. I am assuming for cap space. Trade Moore in a three team deal?


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Miami is finalizing a trade to send center Hassan Whiteside to Portland for Mo Harkless and Meyers Leonard, league sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2019

Well ok then.

Wow

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I would strongly disagree going the Sixers process of rebuild/ contending. One... It got Sam Hinke blackballed. Two... They didn't get Embid till like year 2 or 3 of tanking. We got Zion in year 0. We traded AD for a bunch of assests. We still got to keep Jrue happy in the middle of his prime. We are too good to tank. So, we might as well get a Jumpstart on building a culture.

I can say.... Philly gonna need to actually get to an ECF for a half a decade of tanking to be even remotely worth it. All that tanking and it only got them Embiid and Simmons. If Simmons do not develop a shot. He could be joining Noel, Markelle, and Okafor

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Yeah I don’t get the concept we should be continuously tanking for assets. We already have the assets. We have the best single prospect in years, 4 or 5 additional young/rookie talented players, 5 first round picks in the next 3 years, like 7 second round picks, and expiring contracts in the next few years that time up perfectly to add max level talent just as our younger players hit their prime.

I mean the above is exactly what you are tanking for, and we have it right now. It’s not about accelerating the rebuild, it’s just that we are already past phase 1 (accumulate assets). We are on phase 2 (compete while developing young players, maintain flexibility for the future).

After that it’s ??

Championships


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It is... Inevitable

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Marc Stein: Seth Curry has reached terms on a four-year deal, $32 million deal with Dallas, league sources say

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Miami is finalizing a trade to send center Hassan Whiteside to Portland for Mo Harkless and Meyers Leonard, league sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 1, 2019

Well ok then.

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Portland is such a weird team you go from aminu and Harkless to hood and baze

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Austin Rivers is returning to the Rockets on a two-year deal for the vet minimum, per @Jonathan_Feigen pic.twitter.com/yZNu0alFsC

— Bleacher Report NBA (@BR_NBA) July 1, 2019

Vet Min. Wow.

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Free agent guard Elfrid Payton has agreed to a two-year, $16M deal with the New York Knicks, agent Ty Sullivan and Aaron Mintz of CAA Sports tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.


Can't embed for some reason. Payton gone. I hate to see it, but it's obvious we couldn't keep him I guess.

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Free agent guard Elfrid Payton has agreed to a two-year, $16M deal with the New York Knicks, agent Ty Sullivan and Aaron Mintz of CAA Sports tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.


Can't embed for some reason. Payton gone. I hate to see it, but it's obvious we couldn't keep him I guess.

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Free agent guard Elfrid Payton has agreed to a two-year, $16M deal with the New York Knicks, agents Ty Sullivan and Aaron Mintz of CAA Sports tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 1, 2019

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Free agent guard Elfrid Payton has agreed to a two-year, $16M deal with the New York Knicks, agents Ty Sullivan and Aaron Mintz of CAA Sports tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 1, 2019

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Thankya thankya

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I think Griffin's plan was to try to make a competitive team that still has a ton of flexibility moving forward. I think establishing a winning culture with so many young guys on our team is really key to sustainable success here so he brought in two guys with tons of playoff experience and know how to do things the right way to pair with Jrue in showing the young ones what is expected on them.

Is his specific plan for Hayes to take over for Favors next year? No I don't think he specifically planned that out. I think he saw Favors as a great fit for the team and our system and jumped on it. If Hayes is ready next year, great, if not I would expect we will do something similar next off season either with Favors or another center.

If it were me, I'd probably try to do an extension with Favors now. Add 1-2 more years to his deal at similar money. My concern is next summer is such a weak FA class we might have to end up overpaying to keep Favors instead of losing him and being forced into putting too much onto Hayes too soon.

But given the situation we were in, I'm much happier about having Favors on a 1yr/17m deal instead of Horford on a 4yr/109m deal.

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Very good post. This is what I think as well. Griffin has a general plan but often you have to act when opportunity shows up. I would also try to extend Favors now and definitely this is way better move than signing Horford to a philly like contract. I would actually hate it

I wonder about Moore. There seems to be a general consensus that he will be gone. The more I think about it though the more I think that he fits the current roster more than the previous one. He is a very solid shooter and defender with average handles and IMO he struggles with shot creation but with facilitators like Ball or Zion he could give us solid production. He often played SF position and didnt do too bad. His also seems to be a high character guy. I think we might keep him.

I hate to see it, but we have too many guards on the roster atm. Good for Elfrid- I hope he does well.

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

I wonder about Moore. There seems to be a general consensus that he will be gone. The more I think about it though the more I think that he fits the current roster more than the previous one. He is a very solid shooter and defender with average handles and IMO he struggles with shot creation but with facilitators like Ball or Zion he could give us solid production. He often played SF position and didnt do too bad. His also seems to be a high character guy. I think we might keep him.

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Depends on what we want to do at point guard. If we are going with NAW and Frank as backups there then keeping Moore makes sense. It might be hard to keep him with Dunn on the market.


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Someone needs to put out a wellness check on MSU now that Elf is definitively gone.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Someone needs to put out a wellness check on MSU now that Elf is definitively gone.

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Yeah make sure he isn’t stepping on broken glass.


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Shams Charania: Free agent Troy Daniels has agreed to a one-year, $2.1M with the Lakers, agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports tells @The Athletic @Stadium. Daniels gives the Lakers an elite shooter to pair with LeBron James and Anthony Davis and does not affect the team’s cap space.

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[QUOTE=Sleeper;1499584]Depends on what we want to do at point guard. If we are going with NAW and Frank as backups there then keeping Moore makes sense. Will Ingram play some at the point? Will Jrue? Can we get someone like Rondo on the cheap? Can we swap Moore for Dunn from the Bulls?

Too many questions

Edit: Didn’t mean to quote myself there. Damn tapatalk.


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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Depends on what we want to do at point guard. If we are going with NAW and Frank as backups there then keeping Moore makes sense. It might be hard to keep him with Dunn on the market.


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Yes we seem to have too many guards but not enough point guards. If we can move Moore for a very good back up point guard I guess it has to be done but I wouldnt just trade him to make space

Sources: Free agent center Enes Kanter has agreed to a deal with the Boston Celtics.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 1, 2019

Edit: Kemba Walker and Enes Kanter guarding both ends of a pick and roll LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOL :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

I wonder about Moore. There seems to be a general consensus that he will be gone. The more I think about it though the more I think that he fits the current roster more than the previous one. He is a very solid shooter and defender with average handles and IMO he struggles with shot creation but with facilitators like Ball or Zion he could give us solid production. He often played SF position and didnt do too bad. His also seems to be a high character guy. I think we might keep him.

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I agree with that. Moore is a guy who should be a team's like 7-9 type bench player. Instead he got the 5th most minutes on our team last year, in a season we were tanking after the all star break. The guy who got the 4th most minutes? Darius Miller.

We never had enough true starter players so Moore was forced into bad positions. Most of the 6-10 type players need talent around them to really be successful.

This season we've got a solid starting lineup, good bench depth, and a lot of talented youth so Moore shouldn't need to shoulder as much responsibility. His fit with this team's need is actually a good one.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Yeah make sure he isn’t stepping on broken glass.


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Underrated post right here.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I think Griffin's plan was to try to make a competitive team that still has a ton of flexibility moving forward. I think establishing a winning culture with so many young guys on our team is really key to sustainable success here so he brought in two guys with tons of playoff experience and know how to do things the right way to pair with Jrue in showing the young ones what is expected on them.

Is his specific plan for Hayes to take over for Favors next year? No I don't think he specifically planned that out. I think he saw Favors as a great fit for the team and our system and jumped on it. If Hayes is ready next year, great, if not I would expect we will do something similar next off season either with Favors or another center.

If it were me, I'd probably try to do an extension with Favors now. Add 1-2 more years to his deal at similar money. My concern is next summer is such a weak FA class we might have to end up overpaying to keep Favors instead of losing him and being forced into putting too much onto Hayes too soon.

But given the situation we were in, I'm much happier about having Favors on a 1yr/17m deal instead of Horford on a 4yr/109m deal.

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Excellent rebuttal.


Also, I'm hearing waves of Kawhi doing a 1+1 with the Raptor's.

If Ingram don't work out. We can make room for a max next year. If Hayes and Zion show out next year. I'd throw a max at Kahwi with little hesitation. Would he come to NOLA..
I'm 99.9 positive that is a nope

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Sources: Free agent center Enes Kanter has agreed to a deal with the Boston Celtics.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 1, 2019

Edit: Kemba Walker and Enes Kanter guarding both ends of a pick and roll LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOL :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

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They might as well put a turnstiles infromt of basketball
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Granted, it would be an improvement on defense. I always get caught up in them sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Excellent rebuttal.


Also, I'm hearing waves of Kawhi doing a 1+1 with the Raptor's.

If Ingram don't work out. We can make room for a max next year. If Hayes and Zion show out next year. I'd throw a max at Kahwi with little hesitation. Would he come to NOLA..
I'm 99.9 positive that is a nope

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If I remember correctly 1+1 or 2+1 was basically what Kawhi would sign anywhere because 2 years puts him at the 10 yr mark in the league and allows him to sign for a 35% max.

So that makes sense of he goes back to the Raptors on a 1+1 or a 2+1.

Well now that Knicks have signed Payton, I might just rather keep Moore

MSU watch 2019 can begin.....

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

MSU watch 2019 can begin.....

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https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/n...ctim-manhattan

I don't think he took it well...

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Marc Stein: Maxi Kleber and the Mavericks have agreed on a four-year, $35 million deal, league sources say

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Marc Stein: Maxi Kleber and the Mavericks have agreed on a four-year, $35 million deal, league sources say


I liked him a lot. I knew he could have been gotten for less than $10MM per year.

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I don't think he took it well...

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I'm just surprised he got to NYC so fast after hearing the Payton news. His mission must have been to just take on the whole city.

Once we started making like we were keeping Lonzo, I knew it was coming. My boy......

But it's redundant having both Payton and Ball....so I get it.

I'm not crying because of Elfrid. I just got through watching The Land Before Time. That's all. I'm good. I swear.

Don't ping my cell signal. I'm not driving back from NYC.

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Once we started making like we were keeping Lonzo, I knew it was coming. My boy......

But it's redundant having both Payton and Ball....so I get it.

I'm not crying because of Elfrid. I just got through watching The Land Before Time. That's all. I'm good. I swear.

Don't ping my cell signal. I'm not driving back from NYC.

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We all know you're grieving...it's understandable.

.....we went......9 and 0.......

How much cap do we have left

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How much cap do we have left

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None

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How much cap do we have left

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Around $1.5m I think. Pretty much nothing. I could be off a little but that's my memory.

Gotcha thanks guys

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— Stephen A Smith (@stephenasmith) July 1, 2019

Sources: Free agent Kevon Looney has agreed to a three-year, $15M deal to return to Golden State.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 1, 2019

Absolute steal for Golden State. That's a bargain.

Also takes another high quality roleplayer off the market. LA's market looking dryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

So do we really see Naw and Jackson as point guards? A lagniappe move would be to trade Moore for Dunn from the Bulls in a three team trade so Bulls can shed salary. Just don’t know if he would be good with coming off the bench.


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Originally Posted by Sleeper

So do we really see Naw and Jackson as point guards? A lagniappe move would be to trade Moore for Dunn from the Bulls in a three team trade so Bulls can shed salary. Just don’t know if he would be good with coming off the bench.


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Jackson? Probably not. NAW? Sure, he's a combo guard. He played a ton of the 1 in college and was fine there.

The problem with proposing a trade for Dunn is that Dunn is not very good and you shouldn't want to give up assets for him, and yes, Moore is more of an asset at this point.

I also think this obsession with having ''point guards'' is kind of a weird view to take. You don't need ''point guards'' you need competent ball handlers and good decision makers. We have a ton of those. Jrue, Lonzo, Zion, NAW, Hart, and even Ingram to an extent are all at least solid ball handlers who can make decisions in the flow of an offense. That's fine. You don't need to go on a hunt for guys who are between 6'0'' and 6'4'', as if only their ball handling and passing counts.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

So do we really see Naw and Jackson as point guards? A lagniappe move would be to trade Moore for Dunn from the Bulls in a three team trade so Bulls can shed salary. Just don’t know if he would be good with coming off the bench.


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Keep half an eye on last year's second round pick who played overseas this past year...6'5", Tony Carr from Penn State. He's playing in the Summer League with the Pelicans this year. He is a pure point guard.

Lakers fans nervous? I see he is trending on twitter but nothing has happened.

Bobby Portis > Tom Brady. ������ pic.twitter.com/RMgfGrPpky

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So do we really see Naw and Jackson as point guards? A lagniappe move would be to trade Moore for Dunn from the Bulls in a three team trade so Bulls can shed salary. Just don’t know if he would be good with coming off the bench.


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I really think at this point we can just hold on to moore. Moore to me has always been a pretty steady guy and think he fits here atm. However, come all-star break may be a time to evaluate if we would prefer to open up cap space for the future or even trade up somehow to make a run. You never know. Some time of adjustment first may help us determine what we will need going forward.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Jackson? Probably not. NAW? Sure, he's a combo guard. He played a ton of the 1 in college and was fine there.

The problem with proposing a trade for Dunn is that Dunn is not very good and you shouldn't want to give up assets for him, and yes, Moore is more of an asset at this point.

I also think this obsession with having ''point guards'' is kind of a weird view to take. You don't need ''point guards'' you need competent ball handlers and good decision makers. We have a ton of those. Jrue, Lonzo, Zion, NAW, Hart, and even Ingram to an extent are all at least solid ball handlers who can make decisions in the flow of an offense. That's fine. You don't need to go on a hunt for guys who are between 6'0'' and 6'4'', as if only their ball handling and passing counts.

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Very good post.

That's why I saw Elfrid was a goner. Ball will handle the....ball (that makes for an awkward sentence) but we have so many other players that can handle thale ball.....like Jimmy Butler, LeBron, Leonard.....we simply needed more shooters than we did true PGs.

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Adrian Wojnarowski: Philadelphia has offered a five-year, $168M maximum contract extension to Ben Simmons and the Sixers and agent Rich Paul are expected to work through the details toward an eventual agreement, league sources tell ESPN.

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My sources can confirm. Of course, my sources are Nick Nurse's public interview yesterday when he literally said this. https://t.co/63hMMKoX5G

— Anthony Doyle (@Anthonysmdoyle) July 2, 2019

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