Official Fire Monty Thread

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

I think there will be. People are tired of hearing injuries and a young team as an excuse. If you look at Facebook and other social media, people are on to his inability to manage a game. Lack of halftime adjustments and solid rotations are making it hard to watch. If we are going to tank, fine, but give the younger guys some minutes. Quit giving minutes to guys like Steamer, who are most not likely going to be on the team next year.


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They might show up to like 2 more games than normal, and when they realize 60% of our starting lineup is out still and we keep losing they'll stop showing up again. I love the faux coaches saying what a good rotation and half time adjustment is or assuming he's not making halftime adjustments. Are they in the locker room? I mean i'm sure it's Monty losing the games and not the boneheaded plays our players constantly make. Again not saying Monty is the cure but people get backup quarterback syndrome far too much in sports.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

They might show up to like 2 more games than normal, and when they realize 60% of our starting lineup is out still and we keep losing they'll stop showing up again. I love the faux coaches saying what a good rotation and half time adjustment is or assuming he's not making halftime adjustments. Are they in the locker room? I mean i'm sure it's Monty losing the games and not the boneheaded plays our players constantly make. Again not saying Monty is the cure but people get backup quarterback syndrome far too much in sports.

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I don't think any is arguing he isn't making half time adjustments... just that he sucks at making half time adjustments.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

I don't think he has a "rotation" yet because everybody is hurt, and the few games he had "everyone" we could score like nobody's business, but then we also give it up on the defensive end.

I mean the guy can't win.

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His rotations have been questionable since he stepped foot in New Orleans. I am not sure he can coach in game. Every timeout he looks to the assistants. He seems very unsure of himself at times. I think he is better suited as an assistant. He was originally brought here because he was cheap and the team was going through a transition. We have a lot of talent now and need a solid coach to develop them. Is he the answer?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

How close are we to being statistically eliminated from the playoffs?

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We're 1 more injury away from being elim'd...

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Originally Posted by jrdbrn

I don't think any is arguing he isn't making half time adjustments... just that he sucks at making half time adjustments.

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Agreed. I would prefer he doing nothing during half time since it looks like he just doesn't want the hot-handed guy shoot the ball in the second half. It happens to Gordon a lot and it happened to Anthony Davis tonight.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

His rotations have been questionable since he stepped foot in New Orleans. I am not sure he can coach in game. Every timeout he looks to the assistants. He seems very unsure of himself at times. I think he is better suited as an assistant. He was originally brought here because he was cheap and the team was going through a transition. We have a lot of talent now and need a solid coach to develop them. Is he the answer?

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Is he? I don't know... I don't think he is, but I'd like to see what he can do with a fully healthy squad. As of now I have no idea because his players stay hurt. And that's one of the many reasons why he'll be coaching again next year.

Which has been my point the entire debate. Regardless of what fans think of the guy he has a few built-in excuses for why he will maintain his position.

1) The team is young
2) the main players stay injured
3) He's in year 1 of a multi-year contract

The whole "Fire Monty" movement is moot.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

How close are we to being statistically eliminated from the playoffs?

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Actually we are not that close from being eliminated since we only played 39 games and there are 43 games left.

I would actually like to apologize for taking comments too personal on this forum last month. I got out of hand and a break(vacation) was exactly what I needed. Thank you to FlyGirl and PelicanFan for giving me another chance.

Perhaps Monty should take a vacation. It does work!

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Is he? I don't know... I don't think he is, but I'd like to see what he can do with a fully healthy squad. As of now I have no idea because his players stay hurt. And that's one of the many reasons why he'll be coaching again next year.

Which has been my point the entire debate. Regardless of what fans think of the guy he has a few built-in excuses for why he will maintain his position.

1) The team is young
2) the main players stay injured
3) He's in year 1 of a multi-year contract

The whole "Fire Monty" movement is moot.

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If he sticks around next year he'd probably be on a short leash

Man we lost 8 str8 games I'm done for the year I see y'all next season hope without Monty Williams

http://instagram.com/p/jVZ4ggkZf6/# This is an example of a good coach. You don't just sit in your seat on the side lines and be quiet. If you see your player mess up tell the while they're on court like pops and thibs. Monty would watch guys make a mistake and just be quite then wait till the play is broken to address it.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Is he? I don't know... I don't think he is, but I'd like to see what he can do with a fully healthy squad. As of now I have no idea because his players stay hurt. And that's one of the many reasons why he'll be coaching again next year.

Which has been my point the entire debate. Regardless of what fans think of the guy he has a few built-in excuses for why he will maintain his position.

1) The team is young
2) the main players stay injured
3) He's in year 1 of a multi-year contract

The whole "Fire Monty" movement is moot.

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I'm pretty sure it's 'mute' :) j/k

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Originally Posted by kth225

Man we lost 8 str8 games I'm done for the year I see y'all next season hope without Monty Williams

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Who are you?

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Originally Posted by Smow-

Monty will have one final shot next season. At that point, it's playoffs or bust for him.

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Agreed. The guy has run into awful luck since agreeing to be the coach of this team. But there comes a time where we would need to go a different direction if it's not settled by the end of next season.

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Originally Posted by hornetstime247

If we miss the playoffs is there any way Monty is back next year?

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Lol, "if". But yes, I think he will.

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Is he? I don't know... I don't think he is, but I'd like to see what he can do with a fully healthy squad. As of now I have no idea because his players stay hurt. And that's one of the many reasons why he'll be coaching again next year.

Which has been my point the entire debate. Regardless of what fans think of the guy he has a few built-in excuses for why he will maintain his position.

1) The team is young
2) the main players stay injured
3) He's in year 1 of a multi-year contract

The whole "Fire Monty" movement is moot.

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This is the point I tried to make about a month ago before Holiday, Anderson, and Smith all went down. I'd add that Benson as a NFL franchise owner hasn't shown a quick trigger with HC's. Not sure if this has changed or will spill over to his NBA franchise. Either way we just re-signed Williams can't see him getting canned after the 1st year period especially with this rash of injuries.

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Originally Posted by JrueDat

I'm pretty sure it's 'mute' :) j/k

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LOL I know right. You have no ideal how many times I've seen that. :D

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

This is the point I tried to make about a month ago before Holiday, Anderson, and Smith all went down. I'd add that Benson as a NFL franchise owner hasn't shown a quick trigger with HC's. Not sure if this has changed or will spill over to his NBA franchise. Either way we just re-signed Williams can't see him getting canned after the 1st year period especially with this rash of injuries.

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Right, and I'll add that... I don't think the organization believes this roster is "final". I'm sure they know that we had a crater at the center position going into the season, and that we have a ton of young players that are still learning how to play together, and how to play the NBA game.

No way could they think that we'd be contending for a ring now, and in no way could they imagine the rash of injuries that we'd get. So now you have bench guys playing more minutes, and while nobody wants to admit it... the fact that this team is playing close games against top flight teams is impressive. Whether you want to give Monty credit for it or not... its impressive, and the front office sees this.

The team DOES have talent, but just not enough especially with the starting PG and team's best shooter out. You can blame Monty for poor rotations (does he have a set rotation with these injuries?)... you can blame him for not making adjustments (I do think he needs some work there)... but he has NOT lost this team. Once the coach's message goes in one ear and out the other, then its time to move on.

He still has this team's attention.

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Originally Posted by hesterhu

Actually we are not that close from being eliminated since we only played 39 games and there are 43 games left.

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This season sucks..

I just don't understand how do you get worse in your 4TH season as head coach when in one offseason the organization provided you the financing to add talent to the roster AND built you a new practice facility? I can see if this was a 1st year head coach but in your 4TH year?

Knicks has been doing much better since their fans had the "fire woodson" chant~ maybe we should try that.
I know that hurts but just I don't want to see tank at all & he really should do something to avoid the same losses.

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Anyone else notice Tom Benson has not been sitting courtside this past 3 games?

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

I just don't understand how do you get worse in your 4TH season as head coach when in one offseason the organization provided you the financing to add talent to the roster AND built you a new practice facility? I can see if this was a 1st year head coach but in your 4TH year?

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This post man. You are so far biased towards your opinion it's not even funny. You can't see how, with all of the injuries how we could be worse?
I'll leave you be, but i'm very glad you're not my boss.

Not to mention two slightly different teams. But whatever, there is no worse deaf than he who does not want to hear

I think Monty's contract extension may end up not factoring into the decision to fire him. Any reasonable owner would realize that this is not his first year, and that it shouldn't be treated as such merely because of an ill-timed extension.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Anyone else notice Tom Benson has not been sitting courtside this past 3 games?

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He's tired of seeing the losing it's not what he paid for. I was at the Wizards game and during half time of the blow out he left and didn't return.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

He's tired of seeing the losing it's not what he paid for. I was at the Wizards game and during half time of the blow out he left and didn't return.

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I don't think he returned since I mean I noticed Rita at the games but she looked preoccupied talking to some dudes and not watching the games.

It's not like that many people of New Orleans are going either. The team is losing and the team is a shell of what we were supposed to be. Only the hardcore fans care enough to watch guys like rivers, miller, and Withey. Lol

Like my girlfriend said to me don't be critical of the no shows, be thankful for the ones that do show up. I guess that is the way I have to see it.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Like my girlfriend said to me don't be critical of the no shows, be thankful for the ones that do show up. I guess that is the way I have to see it.

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plus they already sold 12,000+ season tickets so people will show up

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

I just don't understand how do you get worse in your 4TH season as head coach when in one offseason the organization provided you the financing to add talent to the roster AND built you a new practice facility? I can see if this was a 1st year head coach but in your 4TH year?

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How does a new practice facility make you a better coach? You get worse in your 4th season when you take into account of what the guy has had to work with. Let's look at it like this shall we?

1st season: Walks into the mess of Chris Paul demanding a trade. George Shinn sells the team to the NBA. The GM in Jeff Bower was fired, albeit, gets a new one in Dell Demps, that improves the roster having the Hornets have their best start in franchise history, 11-1. There were some growing pains after it, but they still managed to hold teams to 93 PPG. Lost David West for the season. Questions of Chris Paul not caring anymore. Made the playoffs regardless, and gave the #2 seeded Lakers a run for their money.

2nd season: Shortened season. Chris Paul is traded. David West leaves. Future of the team is in complete question. Started the season with guys like Squeaky Johnson, Trey Johnson, and Lance Thomas. Eric Gordon could never stay healthy. Chris Kaman gets sent home, then comes back. Everyone was expecting a disaster season. However, people kept praising Monty for getting the guys to get up for the game, win or lose and just fight. They realized they didn't have all the talent in the world but still fought to the bone, and that's what gave Monty's identity.

3rd season: The rebuild begins. Anthony Davis and Austin Rivers are drafted. And everything just looks so bright in the future, right? Maybe not. Eric Gordon publicly states he doesn't want to be in New Orleans and signs with the Phoenix Suns. Openly asks New Orleans not to match. But they do. Ryan Anderson signs with New Orleans. Grievis Vasquez is the starting point guard and does very well. Anthony Davis gets hurt for a few games, and Austin Rivers gets hurt mid season, ending his first season. Still a lottery-type season, as they're one of the youngest teams in the league with no experience.

4th season: New identity. New owner. New everything. The Pelican regime has begun. Traded for Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans and the rebuild just might be progressing a little faster than we all think. We all hoped so. But the team had trouble starting off. Evans gets hurt in the preseason and can't fully get accustomed to his teammates until later in the season. Anderson has a chipped toe and doesn't start playing until the 2nd or 3rd week of the season. Darius Miller starts the season off hurt. Davis fractures his hand. Holiday fractures his leg. Anderson gets a herniated disc. Smith injures his knee. Seems like the season is already done and aimed for the lottery again.

So you see, Monty hasn't had the best luck since agreeing to be the coach. Most of our trouble and turmoil hasn't really been his fault. I know it sucks not winning and it's easy to blame the coach, but what can you expect when the coach can never get his team in full?

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

It's not like that many people of New Orleans are going either. The team is losing and the team is a shell of what we were supposed to be. Only the hardcore fans care enough to watch guys like rivers, miller, and Withey. Lol

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That's mainly because people don't want to see Roberts, Evans in SF and Stiemsma.

Just know when the team starts winning we'll have the arena filled every season and the biggest home court advantage due to the loud crowd.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

Just know when the team starts winning we'll have the arena filled every season and the biggest home court advantage due to the loud crowd.

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March 22nd should be a packed house. Now what team the people cheer for maybe a different story.

I honestly believe when the pels get to the playoffs and star winning they will have more support than the Hornets ever did. People form here love this city and to represent everything from here. The Hornets never felt like our team truly they felt like left overs. Now that we have a team to represent this city they will find more support and I've see more ppl wear pel gear than i ever seen Hornets.

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Originally Posted by 504ByrdGang

I honestly believe when the pels get to the playoffs and star winning they will have more support than the Hornets ever did. People form here love this city and to represent everything from here. The Hornets never felt like our team truly they felt like left overs. Now that we have a team to represent this city they will find more support and I've see more ppl wear pel gear than i ever seen Hornets.

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Agree. When that happens hopefully we get more than 2 racks at the Black and Gold Shop/Academy Store.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Agree. When that happens hopefully we get more than 2 racks at the Black and Gold Shop/Academy Store.

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They got Racks? I thought it was just a 5 foot wide section on the wall :hihi:?

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Originally Posted by Hercule

I think Monty's contract extension may end up not factoring into the decision to fire him. Any reasonable owner would realize that this is not his first year, and that it shouldn't be treated as such merely because of an ill-timed extension.

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If they didn't feel positive about re-signing him they could have done a 1 or 2 year deal. What was Monty going to say no. However they didn't so no matter what this is year 1 of his new deal, and the franchise would be on the hook for the rest they owe Williams if they canned him this off season.

How long was the extension btw?

I always saw the contract extension more as a move of showing stability with new ownership, starting out on the right foot as an organization and to a lesser extent a vote of confidence to give Monty a shot to prove himself to the new organization.

Not that it was a long term commitment and marriage of the organization to Monty. I think benson is more interested in winning and getting butts in the seats and if Monty looks like he isn't gonna be that guy, and he so far in his career he doesn't, he would be gone and someone else would be brought in who could hopefully better achieve that.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

This post man. You are so far biased towards your opinion it's not even funny. You can't see how, with all of the injuries how we could be worse?
I'll leave you be, but i'm very glad you're not my boss.

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I gave up a while ago.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

How long was the extension btw?

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But his extension now keeps Monty Williams with the Hornets through the 2016-17 NBA season. For a young team that figures to experience its share of growing pains over the next couple of seasons, Williams' contract extension is great news for all parties.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hornets...0320--nba.html

Some folks should read this article.

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

Anyone else notice Tom Benson has not been sitting courtside this past 3 games?

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They said a few games ago that he's been under the weather. But I will let all the spin doctors believe that he's showing his disapproval to Monty. Smh!!

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Originally Posted by 504fan

They said a few games ago that he's been under the weather. But I will let all the spin doctors believe that he's showing his disapproval to Monty. Smh!!

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You beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by 504fan

They said a few games ago that he's been under the weather. But I will let all the spin doctors believe that he's showing his disapproval to Monty. Smh!!

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I didn't know at all this "under the weather" thing, thanks man :hihi: always learning something new 'round these parts

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

How does a new practice facility make you a better coach? You get worse in your 4th season when you take into account of what the guy has had to work with. Let's look at it like this shall we?

1st season: Walks into the mess of Chris Paul demanding a trade. George Shinn sells the team to the NBA. The GM in Jeff Bower was fired, albeit, gets a new one in Dell Demps, that improves the roster having the Hornets have their best start in franchise history, 11-1. There were some growing pains after it, but they still managed to hold teams to 93 PPG. Lost David West for the season. Questions of Chris Paul not caring anymore. Made the playoffs regardless, and gave the #2 seeded Lakers a run for their money.

2nd season: Shortened season. Chris Paul is traded. David West leaves. Future of the team is in complete question. Started the season with guys like Squeaky Johnson, Trey Johnson, and Lance Thomas. Eric Gordon could never stay healthy. Chris Kaman gets sent home, then comes back. Everyone was expecting a disaster season. However, people kept praising Monty for getting the guys to get up for the game, win or lose and just fight. They realized they didn't have all the talent in the world but still fought to the bone, and that's what gave Monty's identity.

3rd season: The rebuild begins. Anthony Davis and Austin Rivers are drafted. And everything just looks so bright in the future, right? Maybe not. Eric Gordon publicly states he doesn't want to be in New Orleans and signs with the Phoenix Suns. Openly asks New Orleans not to match. But they do. Ryan Anderson signs with New Orleans. Grievis Vasquez is the starting point guard and does very well. Anthony Davis gets hurt for a few games, and Austin Rivers gets hurt mid season, ending his first season. Still a lottery-type season, as they're one of the youngest teams in the league with no experience.

4th season: New identity. New owner. New everything. The Pelican regime has begun. Traded for Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans and the rebuild just might be progressing a little faster than we all think. We all hoped so. But the team had trouble starting off. Evans gets hurt in the preseason and can't fully get accustomed to his teammates until later in the season. Anderson has a chipped toe and doesn't start playing until the 2nd or 3rd week of the season. Darius Miller starts the season off hurt. Davis fractures his hand. Holiday fractures his leg. Anderson gets a herniated disc. Smith injures his knee. Seems like the season is already done and aimed for the lottery again.

So you see, Monty hasn't had the best luck since agreeing to be the coach. Most of our trouble and turmoil hasn't really been his fault. I know it sucks not winning and it's easy to blame the coach, but what can you expect when the coach can never get his team in full?

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Great post.

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What makes this thread official? The original poster wanting to feel like he has some authority? I hate "official" threads. Yes, I waited 30 pages to ask.

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Originally Posted by PelicanPoop

What makes this thread official? The original poster wanting to feel like he has some authority? I hate "official" threads. Yes, I waited 30 pages to ask.

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Tom benson posted that.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

I didn't know at all this "under the weather" thing, thanks man :hihi: always learning something new 'round these parts

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First I'm a woman. Second I don't make up crap just to see I posted, like some others on this site. They said that during a game, that's on them if they made it up. Always some poster, who swear they are in the know, trying to call out other posters "'round these parts."

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Originally Posted by 504fan

First I'm a woman. Second I don't make up crap just to see I posted, like some others on this site. They said that during a game, that's on them if they made it up. Always some poster, who swear they are in the know, trying to call out other posters "'round these parts."

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#ShotsFired

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Originally Posted by 504fan

First I'm a woman. Second I don't make up crap just to see I posted, like some others on this site. They said that during a game, that's on them if they made it up. Always some poster, who swear they are in the know, trying to call out other posters "'round these parts."

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Yeah Joel Meyers and Wesley gave Mr B a shot out during the game... said he never misses a game, but couldn't make it because he had been under the weather. Gave Mr B their best wishes for a speedy recovery... as do I. Get well Soon Tom B.