Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

well the green from boston is also 2.25x more expensive.

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Yeah I know.

What is his defence like?
Can he play the 3 in defence?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

well the green from boston is also 2.25x more expensive.

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lol if ppl cant put pieces together they're slow

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Check your PM.....I'll be very upset if this happens

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I'm just curious why u need to pm something ur not even sure of and just a rumor u heard thru the grapevine.

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Originally Posted by tyler

lol if ppl cant put pieces together they're slow

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lol it happens, we have to find a way to get under the keep cuz of asik, trading for ryno for jeff green would do nothing, he is 1mil more than ryno haha.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

Holiday/Roberts/Jackson
Reke/Gordon
Miller/???
Davis/Anderson
Asik/Ajenca(spelling?)/Whithey

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I wonder if Miller could start over Aminu?

About Havok's trade rumor.

I think this would have to almost done and dell has it int he bag.

He HAS to get under the cap for Asik so in my opinion there's about a 75% of this trade happening, 25% chance of another trade happening if not, 0% chance no other moves are made.

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Originally Posted by tyler

I would change yours too lol:hihi::idoh: or delete the quote

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Hey i never used a name, and if u go google 18.5 points post all star game i don't think ur gonna find much info lol.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'm just curious why u need to pm something ur not even sure of and just a rumor u heard thru the grapevine.

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I didn't hear the rumour another poster did and he asked us all to only PM it and not post details of who is in the trade rumour.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Done.
It wasn't out of disrespect.....I didn't mention what the trade was.

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Oh I know, in no way did i mean you were being disrespectful, I was just stating out of respect for him, no harm no foul.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

About Havok's trade rumor.

I think this would have to almost done and dell has it int he bag.

He HAS to get under the cap for Asik so in my opinion there's about a 75% of this trade happening, 25% chance of another trade happening if not, 0% chance no other moves are made.

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bump, i'm sure of this now.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I didn't hear the rumour another poster did and he asked us all to only PM it and not post details of who is in the trade rumour.

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Oh I see now..I didn't know u was talking about havics info. I thought u was talking about a rumor u read somewhere lol..I was like wth is he pm for lol

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

bump, i'm sure of this now.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

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lol i didn't mean I'm sure because i heard a trade was going down, i said I'm sure of it because something HAS to go down for the cap to work.

sorry, i can see how this could be misinterpreted, thats my fault.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Hey i never used a name, and if u go google 18.5 points post all star game i don't think ur gonna find much info lol.

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Yea but u quoted his post bro with the name in it..:idoh:

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Yea but u quoted his post bro with the name in it..:idoh:

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lol oops, fixed it.

if this trade happens we'll actually have a starting lineup with players playing the position they are supposed to lol. no more sf's at sf, pf's at C, etc...

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

if this trade happens we'll actually have a starting lineup with players playing the position they are supposed to lol. no more sf's at sf, pf's at C, etc...

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I thought we wanted sf's at sf position? :hihi:

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I thought we wanted sf's at sf position? :hihi:

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I was going to ask the same thing but.... Close.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I thought we wanted sf's at sf position? :hihi:

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lol i meant sg at sf :P

You guys sure do love to run your keyboards... a man gave you a gift... think about it and keep it to yourselves, please! All tonight has done is tell anyone with anything to never share it because the people here can NOT SHUT UP!

Look here, it was said there, Harvey said, their are a lot of guys named Garcia, Smith, Jones, etc.

Please respect the man and his info, he shared it with you, say thank you, and please stop thinking it is yours to share....if you don't, you will never get it again, your choice!

ESPN is grading this trade as a D+ for us : D

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Houston Rockets : A-

The December 20 "deadline" for the Rockets to move Omer Asik is now six months past, and with the benefit of hindsight, Houston GM Daryl Morey did the right thing by waiting. It's now clear that having the cap space this summer to aggressively pursue free agents like Carmelo Anthony and even LeBron James is better for the Rockets than any of the players they could have acquired for Asik last season.

Moving Asik's $8.3 million cap hit (he'll actually be paid $15 million the way the contract he signed as a restricted free agent was structured) brings Houston one step closer to creating enough cap space to make a competitive offer for Anthony and James. The Rockets surely also know they can move Jeremy Lin in a deal they won't make until they need the cap space, according to Sam Amick of USA Today.

There was stronger impetus for moving Asik regardless of how free agency plays out. He chafed at a backup role behind Dwight Howard last season, and though Houston got some mileage out of pairing the two centers in the playoffs, Asik is more valuable on a team for which he can start. Additionally, while the Rockets might have to surrender a pick to move Lin, they were able to get a tasty one from the Pelicans in return for Asik.

Per ESPN's Brian Windhorst, the pick is protected in both directions, something Morey pioneered two years ago when Kyle Lowry went to the Toronto Raptors. New Orleans will keep it if it lands in the top three and also if it falls after No. 19.

Because the Pelicans will contend for a playoff spot, this isn't quite as valuable as the pick Houston got for Lowry -- one of the key pieces in the James Harden trade -- but it's likely to be better than any Rockets selection for some time to come. There's an outside chance dangling a possible lottery pick could get Houston back in the mix for the other superstar on the trade market, Kevin Love.

At worst, the Rockets dealt a center who was a luxury asset for them in exchange for a first-round pick while creating a trade exception in the process. (The exception disappears if Houston goes under the cap to sign a free agent.) At best, Houston took an important step toward adding a third star.


New Orleans Pelicans: D+

Assuming it ends up inside the 4-19 range, the Pelicans' 2015 first-round pick will be the third in a row they've traded, joining 2013 and 2014, which both went to the Philadelphia 76ers on draft night a year ago. This is a bad way to build a basketball team. First-round picks are valuable assets because they offer up to four years of cost-controlled production at rates that are, on average, far below market value. By contrast, the players New Orleans has acquired (Jrue Holiday last year, now Asik) are paid what they're worth, relatively.

As FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver once simplified, there are two ways to build a winning NBA team. One way is to pay more money than other teams. This avenue is surely not available to the Pelicans. The other is to be more efficient with your spending than other teams, and that's where first-round picks are invaluable. While there are bargains here and there, players on rookie contracts are the most reliably underpaid around.

Trading first-round picks shortcuts the process of competing, but it comes with a long-term price. New Orleans has the luxury of spending more on veterans now because of the league's best bargain, Anthony Davis' rookie contract. Davis will be paid $5.6 million this season, when he could emerge as one of the league's handful of most valuable players. The Pelicans get that bargain for only two more seasons, however. In 2016-17, Davis' salary will likely jump to the max, making it far more difficult for New Orleans to clear cap space. At that point, the Pelicans are going to wish they had reasonable rookie contracts to fill out their rotation rather than having to rely on scrounging for cheap free agents.

The shortcut might be worth it for a team designed to win now. That's not New Orleans, at least not in the brutal Western Conference. The Pelicans already figured to be one of the league's most improved teams next season, both because of Davis' development and better health after Holiday missed 48 games last season and super-sixth man Ryan Anderson missed 60. Asik will help that process, certainly. He's a vast improvement over the defensive-minded centers New Orleans played next to Davis last season: Alexis Ajinca, Greg Stiemsma and Jeff Withey.

Still, looking around the Western Conference, it's hard to see the Pelicans as one of the top four teams. There's even a chance, with more bad injury luck, they might miss the playoffs again. The last thing New Orleans needs is general manager Dell Demps sitting at the lottery again, hoping the Pelicans' pick leaps into the top three so they can keep it rather than sending it elsewhere.

The mechanics of this trade also make it somewhat more problematic for New Orleans. To swallow Asik's salary, they'll have to go under the cap after the new league year starts in July. That means the Pelicans must dump a contract (likely guard Austin Rivers), as well as renounce cap holds for their free agents (most notably, backup guards Anthony Morrow andBrian Roberts) and give up on the midlevel exception for the smaller room midlevel exception.

So after the trade, New Orleans will have seven players under contract and only the room exception ($2.7 million) to pay free agents more than the minimum. 2013 second-round pick Pierre Jackson will likely fill another spot, but the Pelicans could be woefully thin after their top nine players, making injuries a concern.

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I understand why he thinks there are only 2 models, but that's just stupid. One part of this that's important is we need to keep Asik rather than losing him in FA in a year, but assuming we keep him, we basically turned #6, #10 and #16ish into 2 very good starters. I think most teams would happily take that return on 3 draft picks.

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Originally Posted by BP225

I understand why he thinks there are only 2 models, but that's just stupid. One part of this that's important is we need to keep Asik rather than losing him in FA in a year, but assuming we keep him, we basically turned #6, #10 and #16ish into 2 very good starters. I think most teams would happily take that return on 3 draft picks.

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He also references noted basketball mind and number cruncher Nate Silver. God forbid teams don't want to live in the lottery for half a decade hoping year after year the guy they draft turns into something...they can trade for an established player. Just lazy analysis and I expect nothing more from ESPN.

Could we do something like this and keep our MLE?

HOU gets Asik and NO first
NO gets Asik and BOS second
BOS gets Rivers, Anjica, Ely, Withey, and Babbitt

We would be sending out approximately $6.5M. BOS can waive the non-guaranteed guys, and Anjica/second is the price they pay for Rivers.

Get Tucker and resign our own FAs.

Jrue/Roberts
Tyreke/Gordon
Tucker/Aminu
AD/Ryno
Asik/Smith


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Originally Posted by greewe

Could we do something like this and keep our MLE?

HOU gets Asik and NO first
NO gets Asik and BOS second
BOS gets Rivers, Anjica, Ely, Withey, and Babbitt

We would be sending out approximately $6.5M. BOS can waive the non-guaranteed guys, and Anjica/second is the price they pay for Rivers.

Get Tucker and resign our own FAs.

Jrue/Roberts
Tyreke/Gordon
Tucker/Aminu
AD/Ryno
Asik/Smith


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If we use the cap space to sign free agents we dont get the MLE