2024 Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Griff isn't going to do that.

He's going to do what he does every draft, which is nothing, and then he'll take someone with the pick and act like that alone is a difference maker.

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Yeah, gotta keep it milquetoast around here. We wouldn't want fans to actually get excited. This team is going nowhere with this leadership. The owner is a golddigger who knows nothing about business or basketball. Doomed for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

Yeah, gotta keep it milquetoast around here. We wouldn't want fans to actually get excited. This team is going nowhere with this leadership. The owner is a golddigger who knows nothing about business or basketball. Doomed for the foreseeable future.

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Yves Missi: the difference between play-in, and contender. In Griff's eyes. Apparently.

You guys think the Hawks want to pair BI and Risacher? I don't know much about the kid. Some draft profiles I read make it sound like they would pair well together and other ones make me think they're redundant.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

It's a situation that only happens once every ten years or more?

Well, guess how long it's been, my friend.

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Well no. Its happened LAST YEAR. The likelihood of it happening on consecutive years is far less than 50%.

Lakers did not draft Bronny? Lol

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Originally Posted by RobertM320

Well no. Its happened LAST YEAR. The likelihood of it happening on consecutive years is far less than 50%.

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In a random year, maybe, but when you can actually look at the teams in question and make a judgement based on the reality of the rosters of those teams instead of looking at historical trends that don't apply to the actual state of the league right now, it's fairly clear to see that running it back without improvement on this roster is not a recipe for success.

We'll win 45 to 50 games, again, as long as we can get a decent JV replacement, and not improve in terms of the seedings. That's just how it is.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

You guys think the Hawks want to pair BI and Risacher? I don't know much about the kid. Some draft profiles I read make it sound like they would pair well together and other ones make me think they're redundant.

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They're fairly different players in terms of preferences and strengths - Risacher is a real 3pt guy, for one - but in terms of weakenesses they compound pretty badly.

So that dream might be dead?

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Originally Posted by RobertM320

Well no. Its happened LAST YEAR. The likelihood of it happening on consecutive years is far less than 50%.

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And we were three games out of 4th place......

Yet here we are seeing other posters act like we finished 12th. Lulz

Orlando is selecting Tristan da Silva at No. 18 in the NBA Draft, sources say. https://t.co/1u2Qcjr70W

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 27, 2024

That's another one of the better options off the board.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

And we were three games out of 4th place......

Yet here we are seeing other posters act like we finished 12th. Lulz

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We finished 3 games from 10th. You're acting like there's a lot of wiggle room here and there isn't. Yes, we could easily have been better if a few bits of bad luck went our way, but we could easily have been worse too. We were not some stable quantity throughout the year like OKC or Denver or Minnesota.

Forgive me for wanting the team to be a lock instead of a ''well, if everything goes right and some other teams have issues, we could potentially get there'' situation.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

So that dream might be dead?



And we were three games out of 4th place......

Yet here we are seeing other posters act like we finished 12th. Lulz

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Honestly we are just boring. We should be all in on getting Trae because he has said he wants to be here.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

So that dream might be dead?



And we were three games out of 4th place......

Yet here we are seeing other posters act like we finished 12th. Lulz

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Nice spin

Toronto is selecting Ja’Kobe Walter at No. 19, per sources. https://t.co/1u2Qcjqzbo

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 27, 2024

Genuinely considering not bothering to watch the rest of the draft after our inevitable boring Missi pick.

This draft night has been one of the least interesting, slowest, most ponderous draft nights I can remember.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

Honestly we are just boring. We should be all in on getting Trae because he has said he wants to be here.

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Bobby Marks said nobody is interested in Young. Depends on who you believe.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

We finished 3 games from 10th. You're acting like there's a lot of wiggle room here and there isn't. Yes, we could easily have been better if a few bits of bad luck went our way, but we could easily have been worse too. We were not some stable quantity throughout the year like OKC or Denver or Minnesota.

Forgive me for wanting the team to be a lock instead of a ''well, if everything goes right and some other teams have issues, we could potentially get there'' situation.

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We were solidly in third or so before the injuries crept in. We were coming hard on the Lakers and scaring the league before Zion dropped out in the play in. All under the age of 26 except for CJ and Nance so we will be better.

The truth is that this is a top three team when healthy. When healthy. It doesn't matter who we draft or if Zion is paired with BI, Young, Murray, Mitchell, or some other superstar......it's ALL going to come down to if he and whomever he is paired with can be healthy for the postseason.

And haha. I made you agree with 13-3. I win!

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

We were solidly in third or so before the injuries crept in. We were coming hard on the Lakers and scaring the league before Zion dropped out in the play in. All under the age of 26 except for CJ and Nance so we will be better.

The truth is that this is a top three team when healthy. When healthy. It doesn't matter who we draft or if Zion is paired with BI, Young, Murray, Mitchell, or some other superstar......it's ALL going to come down to if he and whomever he is paired with can be healthy for the postseason.

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And yet we have no reason to believe that will be the case because you're having to use the ''when injury crept in'' caveat about our healthiest season of the last 5 years lmao

This team needs a serious modification if it wants to be a stable winning with actual championship aspirations. I simply do not believe, however, that those aspirations exist in the FO or ownership.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Toronto is selecting Ja’Kobe Walter at No. 19, per sources. https://t.co/1u2Qcjqzbo

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 27, 2024

Genuinely considering not bothering to watch the rest of the draft after our inevitable boring Missi pick.

This draft night has been one of the least interesting, slowest, most ponderous draft nights I can remember.

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I'm at my son's AAU practice, and it's kept my attention more than ESPNs presentation. This is awful. No highlights, just draftees hugging 100 people and slow walking to the stage. Awful

Cleveland is selecting Jaylon Tyson at No. 20 in the NBA Draft, sources say. https://t.co/1u2Qcjqzbo

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 27, 2024

Missi it is

We're up. Collier is best player available, but we've been attached to Missi in talks for ages.

DaRon Holmes would be an interesting option as well.

New Orleans is selecting Yves Missi at No. 21 in the NBA Draft, sources say. Pelicans were zeroed in on the 7-footer from Baylor and fill a center need. https://t.co/1u2Qcjqzbo

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 27, 2024

And yeah, Missi it is.

He's fine. Big, explosive athlete with good hands. Sets good screens. Finishes with authority. Reliable simple decision maker. Pretty raw everywhere else.

Pick is done at least

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Originally Posted by markid

Pick is done at least

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That's David Griffin looking at the roster like ''and my work here is done. Ready for the season!''

Good pick. I like it.

Bye bye Larry Nance

Capela/Okungwu out of any trade talks

is this another jax hayes?

What? Jonas is gone. We still need LNJ unless it?s included in a trade.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

is this another jax hayes?

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I don't think he's exactly the same (he's much more powerfully built, much more willing to accept contact and to screen) but in terms of it being another tall athletic centre who needs to polish his skills because he hasn't played basketball that long? Yeah, kinda.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

is this another jax hayes?

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Since our staff don't know how to develop bigs... yes.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

is this another jax hayes?

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Think younger capella with bigger upside on offense bc he’s so raw. Not saying he’s going to hit 3s but his potential is higher.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't think he's exactly the same (he's much more powerfully built, much more willing to accept contact and to screen) but in terms of it being another tall athletic centre who needs to polish his skills because he hasn't played basketball that long? Yeah, kinda.

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so maybe going in a ingram trade?..

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

so maybe going in a ingram trade?..

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I doubt it.

I honestly don't think we'll move Ingram. I know there's a ton of smoke, but I really just don't trust Griff to make the right move.

If we did move him, I don't think Missi would be included - we've got big gaps at C and it's not an easy gap to fill. At least with Missi on the roster we only need 1 big instead of 2.

As with the Hawkins pick, I am completely open minded and rooting for it to work. Once again, I don't have an issue the the 'fit' aspect of things, but IMO the process is not one I personally agree with.

Missi has legit athleticism, I'm hoping Pels get a guard to take advantage

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 27, 2024

Live look at Zion

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/b1...fdb7747f56.gif

If the Pels are committed to this direction though, we absolutely now need someone capable of throwing lobs and playing PnR ball handler willingly and with a shooting threat.

I can think of an obvious such individual, but I am sceptical of Griff's willingness to do what needs to be done.

Yves Missi thread now up

Ingram is still a Pelican. Griff. Trolled us.

If you are keeping BI, you have to get somebody to run the team. CJ cannot be in the starting lineup with those two for 82 games. Point Zion is fine but you have to have a legitimate backup plan and CJ is not that. It is what it is, but for the love of all that is holy address these things. Even if it is a cheap option. Do not keep up the square peg round hole nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

New Orleans is selecting Yves Missi at No. 21 in the NBA Draft, sources say. Pelicans were zeroed in on the 7-footer from Baylor and fill a center need. https://t.co/1u2Qcjqzbo

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 27, 2024

And yeah, Missi it is.

He's fine. Big, explosive athlete with good hands. Sets good screens. Finishes with authority. Reliable simple decision maker. Pretty raw everywhere else.

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Like last year, with Hawkins who did what they wanted him to do, hit 3s, I hope this year he can play the defense they want him to do.

Watch Live: Pelicans Draft Press Conference
https://t.co/0Apsp4ywAT

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) June 27, 2024

Our media is afraid to ask the Trae question? C’Mon Fletcher , someone?

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Our media is afraid to ask the Trae question? C’Mon Fletcher , someone?

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Griff says: ''In general terms we've talked about needing to get better and we're going to be aggressive. We didn't come in thinking that the way were going to get better in the frontcourt was around Yves or around the Sidelines. We're going to be fairly aggressive and continue to do that throughout the offseason. It's interesting, everybody thinks things have to be done by the draft or July 6th. Your roster's not set until training camp, and even then it's not, and we're going to look to cash in on the right people at the right time.''

Asked about BI, Griff says he ''wouldn't get into that right now.'' He does note that ''Brandon wants to stay here but there is a financial reality that we all deal with, we're excited about Brandon and he's excited about us and those usually yield good results.''

When asked about guard play by Shamit.

Shamit also asks about other lessons learned from the playoffs.

Bryson Graham says we need to develop more rim pressure - says that can be from a diving big who pressures the paint.

Griff mentions that ''we need to be aggressive'' because ''there are other teams who were behind us who are only getting better''.

He says ''we're doing this to win at the highest level and you don't do that without being aggressive''.

Asked about when to push the chips in and whether we need to be a homecourt team first, Griff says that ''that would make it easier but that doesn't mean you wait.''

He also says that Mrs Benson isn't restricting them financially but that they ''have to be right'' because they ''can't be an apron team''. Which is interesting.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Be careful what you wish for? Is this the best Grif. can do?

The Lakers ?Third Star Level? player being rumored is Brandon Ingram returning to LA. The trade would be centered around Austin Reaves, but would also include D?Angelo Russell if he were to opt in as well as Jarred Vanderbilt and their 2029 and 2031 first round picks

? Jason Terr (@CarusoHandle) June 26, 2024

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Yeah, the fan with 14 followers has all the intel. :lol:

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Originally Posted by bustah

Capela/Okungwu out of any trade talks

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Still need a starter. Missi is a longer term project.

Brian Windhorst: It would not surprise me if they are active in the trade market into July looking to add a starting center... Let's see where the Pelicans are two weeks from now and whether Brandon Ingram is on the team and whether they have acquired their center. pic.twitter.com/hwIFVbszsr

— Pelicans Film Room (@PelsFilmRoom) June 27, 2024

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Brian Windhorst: It would not surprise me if they are active in the trade market into July looking to add a starting center... Let's see where the Pelicans are two weeks from now and whether Brandon Ingram is on the team and whether they have acquired their center. pic.twitter.com/hwIFVbszsr

— Pelicans Film Room (@PelsFilmRoom) June 27, 2024

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Straight out of the Griff. playbook. He told Windy give me 2 weeks.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Yeah, the fan with 14 followers has all the intel. :lol:

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Don’t look like Griff. is interested in Trae . So there is a chance JJ may go in for former teammate.