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So now you are talking in circles. By your description above, he is an example of a long-term asset that we should not want to trade for a veteran. The chances of hitting on a player in the teens to twenties is slim (although possible). It is a risk and if it were a top 10 pick, I would be agreeing. However, I am pretty comfortable that pick will not be top 10.
I knew today would be an awesome day.
If we get Monroe....I really like our chances to make a top 5 seed. We will actually have some depth on the bench and rebounding.
No Demps inability to draft is on himself. There have been plenty of good players available in the teens over the years. I'm not even saying you keep the 2018 first. But you make a deal in the 2018 offseason from a position of strength rather than a position of weakness. It would be nice if we'd kept all our picks and used our capspace differently and we'd be in a better shape than we are now. But we can't. All we can do is make the right decisions for the longterm health of the franchise and this was not one of them.
If you think that NO pick without Niko would have ended up in the 20s you're delusional. It more than likely still won't.
Good teams build through the draft. Or accumulate assets/flexibility to make big moves. We have done none of those things. This team is capped out and is still short of contention.
But Asik becomes barely worse than an expiring in a couple of months. A 2nd round pick is mostly nothing. In a few months the Bulls would be begging us to swap Mirotic for Asik and a first and offer to throw in Holiday or Portis too when Asik's contract becomes more palatable and Niko becomes an expiring.
Dont believe me? ask Utah how those Favors offers are going.
Asik isn't an expiring in a couple of months. His value comes in the summer of 2019. He is still a negative this summer.
And why the heck would we want to take Portis? He is the entire reason Mirotic demanded to be traded.
We dumped 3 players, got back Mirotic and a 2nd, created enough cap space to sign Monroe and another player all for the cost of a 1st which has higher odds of busting than playing meaningful minutes.
I didn't think anyone could be upset with this trade, but yet again the internet one ups itself.
Great move by the Pelicans. Mirotic is in the Western Conference, now. Versatile player who is only 26. He’s having his best year despite missing a big chunk of the season. If needed, he can play the 3. Greg Monroe come on down! 2018-19 is looking good if Cousins re-signs.
yea I'm sure you thought the same thing about the Asik trade. And I was in the minority against that too.
I will say at least I'm excited to watch the new look Pelicans. I like Monroe and Mirotic an awful lot. But when Kemba and others start flying around to new teams this offseason and you're thinking to yourself we could have had this guy or that guy if we had more assets, I'll be there. Reminding you of this deal.
Something else I really like diving into Mirotic is his consistency. He has had 1, just 1 single digit scoring game this season when he plays at least 25 minutes.
That is David West style consistency.
Only one game where he didn't make a three. Often at least two and rarely dipping below 33% on them.
he currently averages 25 minutes in 17-6.5, 47%, 43% from three. I know its a risky, often throwaway state, but per 46 he would be a 24 and 9 player. That is pretty impressive of a haul for a late first rounder. And quite the insurance for Cousins.
I think it is fair to judge him based on the 25 games this season. He obviously made some improvements and added some weight over the last off-season. He could thrive even more on this pels roster, especially when boogie comes back. We need to keep everyone healthy throughout next year. If we can get/stay healthy, we will be hard to beat.
a rebuilding team would rather Asik and a first (plus whatever other kind of assets). Also I know FA is after the draft, Im talking about in trades. I know a lot about the NBA, but I'm not going to be condescending about it. So please, dont do that. Youre doing that a lot. Please assume I know what I'm talking about aka don't MM me.
This kind of hurts he entire case you are trying to make.. Rivers and majority of the draft behind him is a perfect example of why we shouldn't hold to much value in a mid 1st round pick at best.. we have a couple of young potential contributors on the team in Jackson and Diallo while still being able to add more in the upcoming draft. We don't need much more young talent then that when it would only hurt us with what we are trying to do.
LoL how can you seriously say Asik and his expiring contract along with the 1st would be worth more in the off season then someone like Mirotic who is expiring as well but can actually be a missing piece for another team if we decide to go that route. We can easily flip him for a 1st rounder at the least for a desperate team. He is someone you can eat a very good deal in return with him as one of the main assets in a deal. You throw someone like Moore in with him and a future pick is a very good package in return giving us the potential to land a stud. Or we keep him and make a deep run next season while either extending him or using that expiring $ on something else. There are so many options Mirotic offers us creating a lot of flexibility.
Well I hope this means he’s gonna take the 12.5 option next year cause losing a 1st for a half year rental isn’t any good. Now we just got sign up Greg Monroe. If we make those moves who starts? AD at center or Monroe? Mirotic comes off the bench? Adding those two would have to make up for what we will miss from losing Cousins.
C: Monroe, Ajinca
PF: AD, Mirotic, Diallo
SF: Miller, Hill, DC
SG: Moore, Clark, Cooke
PG: Jrue, Rondo, James
Or small ball:
C: AD, Monroe, Ajinca
PF: Mirotic, DC, Diallo
SF: Moore, Miller, Hill
SG: Jrue, Clark, Cooke
PG: Rondo, James
Well, ignoring all of the contentious opinions being thrown around in this thread, I like the move a lot.
Basketball.
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