Pels re-sign Darius Miller

[boardtown]

I expect Moore and one of the currently unguaranteed players and/or draft compensation will be traded for a backup point guard very soon.

[Pelicanidae]

We played 3 guard lineups because we had nothing else. I can promise you they would have much rather played a SF that could shoot a 3 then put Moore out there as a backup SF.

As far as 6/7/8/9th man I don't know how you make that differential between them. He will be the first SF off the bench to replace Ingram assuming we don't make anymore moves. Is that 6th man or 10th man? I don't think that matters. He will be in the rotation.

I'm not entirely sure that's the case, especially given our current roster construction. We have the ability to rollout three ''guard'' lineups where none of the guards are under 6'4. Does it really matter if, say, Jrue is listed at 6'4'' when running with him playing the ''SF'' position might be a wiser idea in some cases than playing Miller, just because Miller's listed height is more traditionally fitting of the position? I don't think so.

Like I said, he will get minutes. But when Ingram goes to the bench, I don't think it's imperative whatsoever that he be replaced by a ''small forward''. I don't care if Jrue gets moved up and Redick comes in at the 2, or if Zion slides down to the 3 and we go ultra big with Melli at at the 4, or if both Ingram and Jrue sit simultaneously and we run Lonzo/Redick/Moore/Zion/Favors at some point to just run people until they drop. And of course, that ssumes we aren't playing Hayes, which we may end up actually doing.

[Mythrol]

I'm not entirely sure that's the case, especially given our current roster construction. We have the ability to rollout three ''guard'' lineups where none of the guards are under 6'4. Does it really matter if, say, Jrue is listed at 6'4'' when running with him playing the ''SF'' position might be a wiser idea in some cases than playing Miller, just because Miller's listed height is more traditionally fitting of the position? I don't think so.

Like I said, he will get minutes. But when Ingram goes to the bench, I don't think it's imperative whatsoever that he be replaced by a ''small forward''. I don't care if Jrue gets moved up and Redick comes in at the 2, or if Zion slides down to the 3 and we go ultra big with Melli at at the 4, or if both Ingram and Jrue sit simultaneously and we run Lonzo/Redick/Moore/Zion/Favors at some point to just run people until they drop. And of course, that ssumes we aren't playing Hayes, which we may end up actually doing.

I don't think their plan was to give Miller 7m for this year and not either have another trade worked out or a plan to use him for more than a few filler minutes.

Even counting Ingram we hav exactly one guy who is SG size and can shoot the 3 ball on this team, that's Miller.

[Pelicanidae]

I don't think their plan was to give Miller 7m for this year and not either have another trade worked out or a plan to use him for more than a few filler minutes.

Even counting Ingram we hav exactly one guy who is SG size and can shoot the 3 ball on this team, that's Miller.

I'm pretty confident that Miller will play fewer minutes per game this upcoming season than he did last. That's all I'm really saying. He isn't going to be the '6th man', or if he is, it will only be a product of rotations, he won't be what most people think of when they think ''6th man'' which is a guy who doesn't start but ends up playing 25-30 minutes a game and finishing the game anyway (a la Ginobili/Williams).

[Nola3]

By future flexibility I mean roster wise and trade wise. Having Miller and Moore on what is essentially both 1 year deals means we can move one or the other without needing to worry about how their shooting will be replaced. We can also combine them to take back a bigger contract.

Miller's contract specifically allows us to guarantee next year's amount if let's say next summer we need a filler contract to make a trade happen. It also allows us to see how he does in a better fitting role. Instead of forcing him to be a starting SF for us we can use him as a bench player where he might increase his value.

There's a ton of flexibility that a 1+1 deal for 7m adds to a team beyond just adding another shooter to the roster.

Just a quick note that we don't have to guarantee next year for the money to count, which is why this type of contract can be valuable. His salary of around $7 mil next year will count for any trade without the receiving team needing to guarantee it, meaning that the team can give us back $7 mil in salary having no intention of ever paying Miller that money.

[kinglio21093]

I like Darius. He's a fine player who can drain a couple 3s. Don't see anything wrong with it to be honest.

[Mythrol]

I'm pretty confident that Miller will play fewer minutes per game this upcoming season than he did last. That's all I'm really saying. He isn't going to be the '6th man', or if he is, it will only be a product of rotations, he won't be what most people think of when they think ''6th man'' which is a guy who doesn't start but ends up playing 25-30 minutes a game and finishing the game anyway (a la Ginobili/Williams).

Well I mean yeah of course he won't get as many minutes this year. He was the only SF sized player we had on this team with any experience last year and before we started tanking was a significant part of our rotation. Well assuming an injury doesn't happen to Ingram.

I very clearly stated in a post above that this move allows him to go back to a role more suited to him. He won't be pressured with being the main/starting SF on the team anymore. He will be part of the rotation though.

[6warddude]

we finally have a good deep team 1-12...everyone on the board should be happy about that....

[hornetsrebirth]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/sta...31744595365890

The contract for Darius Miller had to be for a minimum of 2 seasons because NOP is using the early bird provision to sign him. The Pelicans had an advantage with his $2.8M cap hold, allowing the team to use cap space (trades/FA signing) and still exceed the cap to sign Miller..

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) July 3, 2019

[tthier2]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/sta...31744595365890

The contract for Darius Miller had to be for a minimum of 2 seasons because NOP is using the early bird provision to sign him. The Pelicans had an advantage with his $2.8M cap hold, allowing the team to use cap space (trades/FA signing) and still exceed the cap to sign Miller..

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) July 3, 2019

Great deal

[Pelispanish]

The money doesn't hurt me because...
- We couldn't sign anyone else anyway.
- We could use him later as a trade filler. Or trading him straight up for a player like Elfrid.
- He won't join the Lakers. We are paying loyalty.
- He has been a serviceable shooter.

Right now the roster is:

PG: Ball - NAW - F.Jackson
SG: Jrue - Redick - Hart
SF: Ingram - Moore - Miller
PF: Zion - Woods - Melli
C: Favors - Okafor - Hayes

Did I miss someone? The roster is overcrowded so I think we are getting ready for a trade. Maybe not now but by the deadline. A package of Moore, Miller, Ball and Okafor fits salary-wise to get Beal, Booker or Towns. I'm not sure why would their teams want to ship those players, but who knows.

[bahmamamba]

Moore. miller and either lonzo or Ingram in Jan or Feb for Beal woop woop! lmao

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[JJackisangry]

As someone said earlier, I do not want to see him on a Lakers team where all he is asked to do is shoot (his specialty). That is one less 3 point specialist on the market for LA. It’s one of those overpays that does nothing to deter us from anything anyway. It’s a flexible deal that surprise surprise, expires in 2021. Griffin is at least looking at that FA class if he can’t get the right trade before then.

[UNO Gracias]

I like the trade. He will come off the books next year (giving us money to work with next year), and if he performs well in this system, we still have him on the cheap. It’s a good smart move.

[JJackisangry]

And I have to say, I have been impressed with the way Griff has handled things. Compete now without cash strapping the organization and make ourselves desirable for the 2021 FA class. If we look like real contenders by then, we may get some good looks.

[UNO Gracias]

Moore. miller and either lonzo or Ingram in Jan or Feb for Beal woop woop! lmao

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This too. The majority of our players are on contracts that say “rent, don’t buy.” They are all so cap friendly that they can be moved at a moments notice, and not require a 3rd team to be brought in. This is a very flexible roster.

[bahmamamba]

This too. The majority of our players are on contracts that say “rent, don’t buy.” They are all so cap friendly that they can be moved at a moments notice, and not require a 3rd team to be brought in. This is a very flexible roster.

so who would you trade in that scenario? lonzo or ingram?

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[UNO Gracias]

so who would you trade in that scenario? lonzo or ingram?

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If the rumors are true, and Gentry really likes Lonzo, you have to go Ingram right? I mean Zo is the only true 1 on this roster anyway, so you have to keep him by default.

[Conroy]

Trade Machine still has Darius at ~2.2M and if you try Moore, Miller, and Ingram for Beal it says Pels have ~4.4M too much incoming salary to make trade work. To make this work Darius would need a salary of about $6,600,000...(thinking face emoji)

Would wizards at least consider those 3 guys plus 2 first rounders for Beal? I think they would consider it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y63tfkmq

[UNO Gracias]

Trade Machine still has Darius at ~2.2M and if you try Moore, Miller, and Ingram for Beal it says Pels have ~4.4M too much incoming salary to make trade work. To make this work Darius would need a salary of about $6,600,000...(thinking face emoji)

Would wizards at least consider those 3 guys plus 2 first rounders for Beal? I think they would consider it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y63tfkmq

Nobody is even in DC to pick up the phone. That is one of the things I don’t understand about the NBA. It’s happened several times, but how can a team go into the draft and free agency without (sometimes) a coach or (sometimes) a GM. It doesn’t make any sense as to why a team would be without one of those guys at such an important time.

[tyler]

Moore. miller and either lonzo or Ingram in Jan or Feb for Beal woop woop! lmao

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Didn't mac said this on his Twitter?

[Pelicanidae]

Trade Machine still has Darius at ~2.2M and if you try Moore, Miller, and Ingram for Beal it says Pels have ~4.4M too much incoming salary to make trade work. To make this work Darius would need a salary of about $6,600,000...(thinking face emoji)

Would wizards at least consider those 3 guys plus 2 first rounders for Beal? I think they would consider it.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y63tfkmq

30 year old Moore
Darius Miller, who most people are surprised got more than the minimum from us
Ingram, whose various issues we've gone over a billion times

For

Bradley Beal, from a team that doesn't even have a GM and whose interim management is almost certainly not permitted to make a trade of this scale


....That's not happening. At least not until the deadline, if Ingram pumps up his value enough.

[PELICANSFAN]

Nobody is even in DC to pick up the phone. That is one of the things I don’t understand about the NBA. It’s happened several times, but how can a team go into the draft and free agency without (sometimes) a coach or (sometimes) a GM. It doesn’t make any sense as to why a team would be without one of those guys at such an important time.

They have an acting GM who is experienced with the team.

[Pelicanidae]

They have an acting GM who is experienced with the team.

An acting GM who didn't even call Rui Hachimura on the phone before drafting him with a top ten pick.

You think this guy is authorised to trade Beal, right now?

[Pelispanish]

If the rumors are true, and Gentry really likes Lonzo, you have to go Ingram right? I mean Zo is the only true 1 on this roster anyway, so you have to keep him by default.

Well... last season Beal didn't play with a true PG after Wall's injury. Maybe pairing him with Jrue is a better idea than starting him at SF.

In any case, I think the objective of Griffin is to be ready in case there is an opportunity, not a specific player.