Andre Iguodala opts out

[Snarly]

$15 million a year for an aging Iguodala? What? Hell no! I like him as a player but not at more than $10 million. I am not sure what winning culture he brings as he played mainly for losing teams most of his career.

That's not true, He's been in the playoffs 6 out of his 9 seasons.

[bojangles837]

Just want to throw it out there that Iggy suffered a little in Denver because they had him at sg. He plays a lot better at sf. There's stats out there that back this up but I'm too lazy to find them

[Snarly]

Denver's defense with Iggy on the court allows as many points per 100 possessions as the 7th best defensive team in the NBA. When he's off, they allow more than the 30th best team in the league!

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/2/2...ive-specialist

Enough said. Credit goes to THRILLHO.

[RekesNotWeak]

If we draft Dario Saric or even Alex Len, then I would go after Iggy for sure. I am also tired of rooting for losses at the end of seasons, lol. I would rather be rooting for wins in playoff games that we may or may not have chances in. Say we draft Saric and he wants to stay in Croatia, we better go after a decent small forward in free agency. Saric staying over seas for another year or two wouldn't be that bad of a scenario. If we were to land Iggy and Gordon stays healthy, this team could easily challenge for a playoff spot IMO. Anthony Davis will be better for sure and could maybe even challenge for an All Star spot if he plays like I think he will. Austin Rivers will be better IMO and can not get any worse lol. Now the only problem with signing Iggy, is we will not be able to afford too much else. Maybe we can sign Anthony Morrow, but he made a lot more than I thought at 4 million last year. That is crazy. If we could get a bargain at shooting guard like a deal Martell Webster had last year would be ideal at 1.6 million.

Can you imagine running a set with Gordon handling the ball running the pick and roll with Davis, while on the other side Ryno is setting a pick and pop with Iggy. Then Gordon having an option of hitting a shot, throwing an oop to either Davis or Iggy, hitting Ryno for an open 3, or hitting Rivers or Vasquez in the corner for 3 as well. Magnificent lol!

[THRILLHOUSE]

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/2/2...ive-specialist

Enough said. Credit goes to THRILLHO.

I stole it from someone else in this thread and posted it on TD.

[Bee-Fense]

Iguodala/Davis/Len has the potential to be by far the best defensive frontcourt in the entire NBA.

[Bee-Fense]

I stole it from someone else in this thread and posted it on TD.

[PelicanFever]

But that addition of David West sure seemed to help out their young guys didn't it? And don't you think playing with him for these couple of years will help George and Hibbert, etc. long after he is gone?

i agreed with you...my point is there is nothing wrong with becoming a middling team next year as long as there is still some internal room for improvement(which there is)...becoming a championship contender is a series of steps..nothing wrong with making a huge step next year even if it means we won't have a top 5 pick

[Eman5805]

Iguodala/Davis/Len has the potential to be by far the best defensive frontcourt in the entire NBA.

Still not interested.

[cgrand]

You keep harping on those stats like I was implying that he's going to average that. He has put up those type of numbers out side of the percentages plenty of times throughout his entire career on any given night. You act like he's offensively challenged.

If you knew how winshares were calculated then why would you dismiss DWS if it is used to calculate winshares? Makes no sense to me.

I did not dismiss DWS
you did

and you didn't answer my question
Is he worth a 4 yr max?

[Snarly]

I did not dismiss DWS
you did

and you didn't answer my question
Is he worth a 4 yr max?

Irrelevant. He's not getting a max contract. He's going to get somewhere in the 12-15 ballpark which is what a player like him commands.

The only thing I care about is whether or not be can be beneficial to the team. And the answer is yes. Only Demps and Williams can tell you what he's worth to this team.

Nice to see you taking what I say out of context. You clearly don't understand winshares and why it hurts a player like Iggy.

[jsl05]

It would be strange if the # of millions of $ he makes would be greater than the # of points he averaged last year.

15 > 13

[MichaelMcNamara]

It would be strange if the # of millions of $ he makes would be greater than the # of points he averaged last year.

15 > 13

But he would also average more millions than points he allowed his opponent to score as well. How rare do you think that is? Remember, defense is 50% of the game.

[jsl05]

But he would also average more millions than points he allowed his opponent to score as well. How rare do you think that is? Remember, defense is 50% of the game.

That's true, but a below-average Harrison Barnes played better against Iggy.

[cgrand]

Irrelevant. He's not getting a max contract. He's going to get somewhere in the 12-15 ballpark which is what a player like him commands.

The only thing I care about is whether or not be can be beneficial to the team. And the answer is yes. Only Demps and Williams can tell you what he's worth to this team.

Nice to see you taking what I say out of context. You clearly don't understand winshares and why it hurts a player like Iggy.

what is the context that you feel I have ignored?
I will bet you a cold abita that he gets either 5 yrs from Denver or a 4 yr max from someone else

I love his game and would love for him to be on our team
But this will be his last big contract and he will be in high demand, for all the reasons you and others have listed
There is no way he signs here unless its for the max
If you have reasons why that's not true, I would love to hear them

[cgrand]

by the way I say if he leaves that 5th yr on the table he signs with cleveland

[luckyman]

A player who is pretty much a non-factor on offense, who relies almost only on his athleticism on everything else and is hitting 30? Giving the MAX to iguodala? Good lord i certainly hope not. I'd like to have him but for far, far less

You don't last this long in the league, get chosen for team USA, max contracts, All-star games and such merely relying on athleticism. He is a stat sheet stuffer meaning he has keen basketball knowledge. Very good passer. People who keep saying he relies on athleticism really haven't seen him play much.

[MonsterMash]

That's true, but a below-average Harrison Barnes played better against Iggy.

Barnes played the 4 that series.

[jsl05]

Barnes played the 4 that series.

my bad only watched game 1 and sinfully looked at the box score

[Eman5805]

Only thing that I don't want from Iggy is a huge contract number. Otherwise, it's just what the doctor ordered.

And the Posey comparison couldn't be more wrong. Posey was never half the player Iggy is right now.

[PELICANSFAN]

That's not true, He's been in the playoffs 6 out of his 9 seasons.

How many teams were over 500? I think only 3 or 4 and only last year was he actually on a "good" team (over a few games over 500).

[PELICANSFAN]

Only thing that I don't want from Iggy is a huge contract number. Otherwise, it's just what the doctor ordered.

And the Posey comparison couldn't be more wrong. Posey was never half the player Iggy is right now.

Yeah, but Posey's contract was only a third annually of what is proposed here

[RekesNotWeak]

If Andre Iguodala can play small forward at 6'6" 207, why can't Tyreke Evans play the position at 6'6" 220?

Iggy: age 29, 6'11" wingspan & 8'9.25" reach
Career stats: 15.1 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.9 apg, 1.8 spg

Tyreke: age 23, 6'11.25" wingspan & 8'8" reach
Career stats: 17.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 1.4 spg

I think they look pretty similar stat wise with Tyreke scoring more and Iggy rebounding more. Tyreke mostly played guard, so by moving to small forward his rebounding numbers would likely increase. I would rather add the younger player with room to improve instead of an older player that will not improve much if at all.

[tyler]

Harrison is not below-average

[GeauxPelicans]

Yeah, I think guys like Wiggins will succeed wherever they go, but the chances of getting him are slim to none. Most guys, though, will only be as good as the situation they are put in. I am in the camp that believes Rondo or Parker wouldn't be half the players they are now if they were drafted by some garbage team with a culture of losing.

The Spurs have gotten stars at 28 and 57 in the draft. Another budding star at 15. The Pacers whole team was drafted 10 or later.

You bring young guys into a culture like that and they might start out a little less talented than guys taken in the top 5 by garbage teams, but over time they will succeed more.

Solid post MM.