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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetstime247 View Post
    Lol at some guys here thinking long, athletic guards with no skills like mcw and shroeder can be succesfull in this league. Bball iq, shooting, pg instincts > length and athletacism for a pg. i swear if paul and livingston were in the same draft most of u would select livingston.
    Schroeder has shown the potential to become a competent shooter, but more than that, he does have PG instincts, he plays the position really well, and he's really exciting out of the pick and roll and in transition. He isn't just an athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughka View Post
    Superior size and length, superior athleticism (both straight ahead and especially quickness), operates well out of the pick and roll and has good vision (like Burke), changes speed and plays to pace well (like Burke, but his athleticism lets him do it at a higher level, although Burke might have the advantage in pure "feel" at this time). He isn't the shooter Burke is, but his ridiculous (albeit unrepeatable) 3 point shooting numbers point to potential in that area.

    Where the difference is most noticeable by far is on the defensive side; Schroeder has terrific lateral movement, fantastic length, and gets into the jersey of the ball-handler at every opportunity. Couple that with his craftiness, and the oft-thrown around comparison to Rondo begins to seem more legitimate by the day. It's why he already got his lotto promise; individual workouts will move him up, probably right around our range.
    He doesn't have superior size though. He is an inch taller than Burke but about 20-25 pounds lighter. I think he has a 6'8" wingspan compared to 6'6" for Burke. So, he does have a slightly longer wingspan. I may consider him in a trade down, but not at 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughka View Post
    Agreed, but the Nike Hoops Summit, at the very least, let him showcase how well his athleticism could translate to the American game(yes high schoolers, but the top high schoolers in the nation).

    Burke is more proven, I agree. But I think you always draft with potential in mind this high in the lotto. And Schroeder exudes it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughka View Post
    Superior size and length, superior athleticism (both straight ahead and especially quickness), operates well out of the pick and roll and has good vision (like Burke), changes speed and plays to pace well (like Burke, but his athleticism lets him do it at a higher level, although Burke might have the advantage in pure "feel" at this time). He isn't the shooter Burke is, but his ridiculous (albeit unrepeatable) 3 point shooting numbers point to potential in that area.

    Where the difference is most noticeable by far is on the defensive side; Schroeder has terrific lateral movement, fantastic length, and gets into the jersey of the ball-handler at every opportunity. Couple that with his craftiness, and the oft-thrown around comparison to Rondo begins to seem more legitimate by the day. It's why he already got his lotto promise; individual workouts will move him up, probably right around our range.
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    Says the guy with Hilton Armstrong in his avi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughka View Post
    Agreed, but the Nike Hoops Summit, at the very least, let him showcase how well his athleticism could translate to the American game(yes high schoolers, but the top high schoolers in the nation).

    Burke is more proven, I agree. But I think you always draft with potential in mind this high in the lotto. And Schroeder exudes it.
    Just watching Burke almost every game I think he has as much potential to get better as any player in the draft. He has made a huge leap in production and skill set from one year to another guys rarely ever make. Another leap like that and we are talking about a multiple all-star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imnos 2 View Post
    Don't be surprised if Detroit jumps up from 8 to get him.
    Detroit just drafted a PG... kid from Kentucky that Kyrie abused on all star weekend. They do have 2 expirings that they could trade (Cahrlie V and Stuckey) but they won't get anything for them until the deadline next season.

    Can't wait to see this draft though

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetstime247 View Post
    Lol at some guys here thinking long, athletic guards with no skills like mcw and shroeder can be succesfull in this league. Bball iq, shooting, pg instincts > length and athletacism for a pg. i swear if paul and livingston were in the same draft most of u would select livingston.
    If you talking about Shaun Livingston that's not fair at all. You might not be making this statement if he hadn't destroyed his knee his rookie season. I would seriously consider it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by da ThRONe View Post
    Just watching Burke almost every game I think he has as much potential to get better as any player in the draft. He has made a huge leap in production and skill set from one year to another guys rarely ever make. Another leap like that and we are talking about a multiple all-star.
    They're all risks to a degree. I'd cast my lot with Burke though. He seems to have legit star potential ... IMO if he doesn't reach it, he'll still be a solid hand. I can't say that's true of everyone at 6 or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hornetstime247 View Post
    Lol at some guys here thinking long, athletic guards with no skills like mcw and shroeder can be succesfull in this league. Bball iq, shooting, pg instincts > length and athletacism for a pg. i swear if paul and livingston were in the same draft most of u would select livingston.
    On what planet is Schroeder not skilled? He's incredibly skilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMash View Post
    They're all risks to a degree. I'd cast my lot with Burke though. He seems to have legit star potential ... IMO if he doesn't reach it, he'll still be a solid hand. I can't say that's true of everyone at 6 or later.
    Burke has a lower ceiling and higher floor.

    Schroeder has the star potential. Higher ceiling and lower floor.

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    it doesnt seem like "between 2 and 6" but more like "either 2 or 6". two things are gonna be key, but the biggest thing is magic being convinced mclemore is better for their team than burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A View Post
    “I'm hearing anywhere from two to six,” he said Wednesday on the “Huge Show” syndicated across Michigan, identifying the two teams – Orlando and New Orleans – needing a point guard. “That's pretty much everything I'm hearing now. It's really a toss up and up in the air. So I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the next month or so.”

    But Burke should feel good about the top six. New Orleans kind of seems like a perfect fit for him.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...en-two-and-six
    Sounds like he does not care which team he goes to, but I thought Rivers would be the point guard soon.

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    Sounds like he does not care which team he goes to, but I thought Rivers would be the point guard soon.
    Thank you, everyone seems to forget that. Monty made it a point at the Lottery to mention his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsl05 View Post
    Thank you, everyone seems to forget that. Monty made it a point at the Lottery to mention his name.
    I'll speak for myself and say I haven't forgotten I just think Burke is and will be a better option at the 1 than Rivers. Likewise it's foolish to pass up Burke for the sole purpose of hoping Rivers can be successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da ThRONe View Post
    I'll speak for myself and say I haven't forgotten I just think Burke is and will be a better option at the 1 than Rivers. Likewise it's foolish to pass up Burke for the sole purpose of hoping Rivers can be successful.
    Yeah. You make the team better no matter what. Hell, if I had a higher opinion of Bennett or Zelller I wouldn't be against drafting them.

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    Monty has high hopes for Rivers. We all do. But Demps needs to pull the trigger on who he thinks is the best player.

    Monty got his pet project last season, now Demps needs to make his own call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughka View Post
    I hope the Magic take him, would rather Schroeder/Oladipo/McLemore/trading down.

    I don't like the idea of a smallish, mildly athletic PG with below average lateral agility and defense. I realize his lateral agility measured similarly to Chris Paul's and the like, but watch the tape and you'll see the true measure.

    He can shoot, he has instincts, he doesn't turn it over. I'm not going to say he has "it" because I don't know what that means, people posit their own subjective interpretations into "it" so I won't bother.

    He's not a good defender, he's small (with a good wingspan to be fair), he's got solid straight line speed but he isn't especially quick, especially for his size. To me he's a top 15 PG in his prime, which is fine, but even in this draft, I believe we can do better.
    He's bigger than CP3. If we would have Burke, Rivers, a heathy Gordon and I think we could gets late first rounder for Vasquez if we want to get rid of him. Then our only holes are SF and C, which we can both fill in with some FA

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsl05 View Post
    Thank you, everyone seems to forget that. Monty made it a point at the Lottery to mention his name.
    I wish I could forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLYINGPELICANS View Post
    He's bigger than CP3. If we would have Burke, Rivers, a heathy Gordon and I think we could gets late first rounder for Vasquez if we want to get rid of him. Then our only holes are SF and C, which we can both fill in with some FA
    Burke/Rivers
    Gordon/Rivers
    Reggie Bullock(late first)/Miller
    AD/Anderson
    Pek/Lopez

    Easy money.

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    Steve Kyler:
    I have tweeted about this all morning… Trey Burke is a nice player… that said there isn’t a lot of logic behind the hype. People love him because he plays hard and he’s a known name on a team that was solid this year — in the NBA he is a touch slow, isn’t a great a shooter and is small. I had a team at the Combine compare him to DJ Augustin, I had another say he wouldn’t start over Darren Collison.

    Some one is going to draft Burke, because of what they “feel” about him, but I don’t think Orlando is that team, although they have the situation in which they can take a chance if they want to. I just don’t think that is where they are going to go.

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    That last paragraph doesn't even make sense or have any direction

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