If we can somehow get A late 1st. I'd like to take a shot with tony mitchell from north Texas. This dude has all the potential in the world and u der the right coaching. He could fulfill it. We could use a sf like him to groom.
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If we can somehow get A late 1st. I'd like to take a shot with tony mitchell from north Texas. This dude has all the potential in the world and u der the right coaching. He could fulfill it. We could use a sf like him to groom.
agreed
Im assuming Vasquez? Lol..Burke is much more athletic than Vasquez and if Vasquez would of performed at the combine in all the drills then we could compare their agility drills. He did not so we can't. Good advice by his agent. Just not comparable IMO. Burke is pretty much lining up to be in the cp3 lane as far as athleticism goes. Maybe just a tad below him but he had same time as him in the lane agility drill. Vasquez is more in the Tim Duncan lane.Originally Posted by FlyGirl
Ask Peyton Siva if Burke has good athleticism.
Wherehappens.
A "number of GM's" told ESPN's Chad Ford that Victor Oladipo was their "favorite player in the draft." Oladipo is a freak athlete. "Athletically, he's so gifted," one GM said. "And he combines that with his hard work both in the game and in practice. He keeps working on his game and getting better." Ford "wouldn't be surprised" if Oladipo winds up at No. 1 or No. 2 on "a number of boards" when it's all said and done,
Close, but no cigar. Burke may lack elite speed and athleticism (which I assume most people would considering the "elite" label), but Vasquez lacks even adequate speed and athleticism
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I know all about that block but has he showed any other athleticism outside of that? I'm just asking. I've only watched a few Michigan games.Ask Peyton Siva if Burke has good athleticism.
Yeah I know Vasquez is slow. The horse has been beaten to death. While it's nice to have speed and athleticism, I don't think it's the main staple a pg has to have in order to succeed at the NBA level. There are plenty of pg's that haven't had speed and athleticism and have done just fine in this league.
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You know, I seem to recall another highly touted PG you weren't too fond of last year.
One question did you watch any Maryland games this year? If you haven't then you have no idea the level of wings he played with and the absolute absurdity of their offense and when he played lower competition whenever he got the ball in the post it was an immediate triple team and I'm not exaggerating.
We want more! We want more!
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It's a very funny thing. Before that block even I began to doubt his level of athlete. He's very controlled. He plays like a 10 veteran who has come off a surgery so he's not overexerting himself. Very methodical. I mean when he comes off the pick, he isn't trying to blow by you, he's trying to keep you on his hip and from recovering.
But then he blocks Siva and it's like..."He can do that? He's that explosive?"
Always hold something in your back pocket.
Burke already plays like an NBA player, that much I know for certain.
But Vasquez's issues aren't just speed and athleticism. He's also the beneficiary of artificial assists, is inefficient, and plays horrible defense.
Most people's issues with Vasquez aren't limited to "but he can't dunk like Westbrook"
All in all, Burke would be a huge upgrade for reasons other than the added athleticism.
So you saying Zeller tough? That's funny! And you will be hard pressed to find anyone credible that has Zeller higher and that's after Zeller crushed it at the combine.
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Also doesn't help us in transition. He can, sometimes, throw the ball ahead. But he doesn't find Davis nearly as often as he should. Davis could have a smaller player on his hip in transition and Vasquez will just pull up and wait for the offense to set. Makes me cringe.
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Yeah, you can tell he's studied Paul on that. I was just asking because I've only seen a few Michigan games but I did like quite a bit of what I saw.
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Yeah, Burke would be an upgrade. Vasquez has done some things that made me cringe many times but people here act like he's the worst in the world and while I know he's not the best, I just don't think he's the worst either.
While I think Burke has some CP3 qualities, I would not say he is another CP3. Regardless, you consider some unknown person's opinion on an internet website validation? This same site said Bargnani was similar to Dirk, Beasley was similar to Carmelo and that Cedric Simmons was similar to Nene.
Saric grows on me more and more every day. that haircut is no joke eitherJeff (CT)
The Pelicans really seemed to get the worst possible draw to fill their needs in this upcoming draft. Is 6 too high for Saric?
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They're fine. Otto Porter was probably their first choice, but he'll be long gone by there. Alex Len seems like a real possibility. You can always use another big and he has a high ceiling and less risk than some of the other players in the draft. Yes, Saric is a possibility here. He's willing to come this year and as a point 3/4 I think he'd add another intriguing dimension to the team.
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We're just not gonna agree on this one, man.
But if Cavs trade down things could change quick.
Appreciate the info, next guy up.
Many mock drafts have Burke going 2nd to Orlando one of those mocks come from Chad Ford. Doesn't get much higher than 2nd.
The official NemesisKing mock does too.
Nobody has ever said he is the worst. We point out his weak points that hurt our team and some of you go overboard acting like we are bashing him for no warranted reason. I think we all appreciate his passion and fire he brings to the team. His leadership is excellent BUT he lacks what u need to run this team. When u have an athletic 4/5 like we have in Davis. We need points in transition and on fast breaks. His top speed is so friggin slow its painful to watch. Not just you in particular but a few on here like to say that too much. I've never read anyone on here claim Vasquez is the worst pg ever or in the league. That's over exaggerating the point being made that we need an upgrade at the pg position. To warrant that upgrade you need to expose the weak link. That's what is being done. He can be an elite backup pg Tho. IMO.
I think those 2 can be debated and I think it depends on which team is picking. If you wanna run and get out in transition then zeller is the pick. If you want to run a half court slow paced offense then Len is your pick. IMO. I think we want to get out in transitin more and run to get those easy buckets with Davis on the break. Zeller is the pick for me to do that with Davis. Pretty exciting to think about.
Agreed.
Zeller does have strength issues like Davis, but he could improve on that with NBA weight-training.
He's not a rim protector, but that's why we have Davis; I think Zeller is a beautiful complement to him, and I think it could end up being one of the most dynamic young frontcourts in the league.
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