Who Do You Want?

[ScoutWithoutClout]

free agent options:

Point Guards (PER, AGE) PPG, ASP, RBG:

chris paul (26.4, 28) 17, 10, 4
jose calderon (18.8, 31) 11,7,2
nate robinson (17.4, 28) 13,4,2
will bynum (16.69, 30) 10,3,1
jarrett jack (15.69, 29) 13,6,3
chauncy billups (15.00, 36) 8,2,2
devin harris (14.69, 30) 10,3,2
mo williams (14.47, 30) 13,6,2
beno udrih (14.20, 30) 8,5,2
shannon brown (13.14, 27) 11,2,3
shaun livingston (13.00, 27) 6,3,2
a.j. price (12.45, 27) 8,4,2
dj augustine (11.04, 25) 5,2,1
sebastian telfair (10.92, 27) 6,3,1
jamal tinsley (10.60, 35) 4,4,2
jannero pargo (10.38, 33) 7,2,1
mike james (9.56, 37) 6,3,2
earl watson (7.69, 33) 2,4,2
derek fisher (7.69, 38) 5,1,1
nolan smith (7.15, 24) 3,1,1

Shooting Guards (PER, AGE) PPG, ASP, RBG:

manu ginobili (19.05, 35) 12, 5,3
elliot williams (18.85, 23) 4,0,1
jr smith (17.67, 27) 18,3,5
kevin martin (16.09, 30) 14,1,2
jj redick (14.74, 28) 14,4,2
kyle korver (13.93, 32) 11,2,4
martell webster (13.89, 26) 11,2,4
leandro barbosa (13.57, 30) 5,1,1
tony allen (13.26, 31) 9,1,5
nick young (13.38, 27) 11,1,2
damien wilkins (12.54, 33) 6,2,2
anthony morrow (12.09, 27) 4,0,1
randy foye (11.75, 29) 11,2,2
marco belinelli (10.43, 27) 10,2,2
wesley johnson (10.34, 25) 8,1,3
ronnie brewer (10.02, 28) 3,1,2
roger mason jr (10.03, 32) 5,1,2
cartier martin (9.75, 28) 7,2,0
marquis daniels (9.20, 32) 6,1,3
jerry stackhouse (8.59, 38) 5,1,1
royal ivey (8.12, 31) 3,1,1
corey magette (7.90, 33) 5,1,1
keith bogans (6.69, 32) 4,1,2
dahanty jones (6.40, 32) 3,1,1
mickael pietrus (6.00, 31) 5,1,2
daequan cook (5.85, 26) 3,0,1


Small Forwards (PER, AGE) PPG, ASP, RBG:

josh smith (17.82, 27) 18,4,8
dorell wright (16.07, 27) 9,2,4
matt barnes (15.57, 33) 10,2,5
demarre carroll (15.52, 26) 6,1,3
corey brewer (14.76, 27) 12,2,3
al farouq aminu (13.73, 22) 7,1,8
mike dunleavy (13.60, 32) 11,2,4
reggie williams (13.22, 26) 4,1,1
alan anderson (12.61, 30) 11,2,2
chase budinger (12.66, 24) 9,1,3
earl clark (12.47, 25) 7,1,6
luke walton (11.32, 33) 3,3,3
lamar odom (10.95, 33) 4,1,6
luke babbitt (9.47, 23) 4,1,2
stephen jackson (8.09, 35) 6,2,3
xavier henry (7.65, 22) 4,0,2
sam young (7.50, 27) 3,1,2
vladimir radmanovic (6.29, 32) 1,0,1

Power Forwards (PER, AGE) PPG, RPG, BPG:

andray blatche (21.98, 26) 10,5,1
brandan wright (21.03, 25) 9,4,1
david west (20.15, 32) 17,8,1
paul milsap (19.89, 28) 15,7,1
jj hickson (19.71) 13,10,1
jermaine o'neal (16.76, 34) 8,5,1
antawn jamison (15.39, 36) 9,5,0
chris wilcox (15.32, 30) 4,3,1
elton brand (15.19, 34) 7,6,1
dejuan blair (14.66, 24) 5,4,0
josh mcroberts (12.69, 26) 6,5,0
borris diaw (11.96, 31) 6,3,0
jason maxiell (11.30, 30) 7,6,1
lou amundson (9.31, 30) 2,3,0
anthony tolliver (8.44, 27) 4,2,0
dajuan summers (4.33, 25) 1,1,1

Centers (PER, AGE) PPG, RPG, BPG:

andrew bynum (23.00, 25) 19,12, 2
al jefferson (20.99, 28) 18,9,1
dwight howard (19.48, 27) 17,12,2
samuel dalembert (18.60, 32) 7,6,1
chris andersen (17.44, 34) 5,4,1
mareese speights (17.35, 25) 8,5,1
chris kaman (16.32, 31) 11, 6, 1)
zaza pachulia (13.11, 29) 6,7,0
ryan hollins (11.37, 28) 3,2,1
cole aldrich (11.15, 24) 2,3,1
johan petro (11.01, 27) 4,4,0
nazr mohammed (10.84, 35) 3,3,1
ronny turiaf (9.37, 30) 2,2,1
dasagana diop (6.63, 31) 1,2,1
jason collins (3.01,34) 1,2,0
joel przybilla (3.35, 33) 0,2,0

[AD23forMVP]

chris paul (26.4, 28) 17, 10, 4
will bynum (16.69, 30) 10,3,1
jarrett jack (15.69, 29) 13,6,3


elliot williams (18.85, 23) 4,0,1
jr smith (17.67, 27) 18,3,5
jj redick (14.74, 28) 14,4,2
kyle korver (13.93, 32) 11,2,4
martell webster (13.89, 26) 11,2,4
tony allen (13.26, 31) 9,1,5
anthony morrow (12.09, 27) 4,0,1
randy foye (11.75, 29) 11,2,2
marco belinelli (10.43, 27) 10,2,2
ronnie brewer (10.02, 28) 3,1,2
roger mason jr (10.03, 32) 5,1,2
daequan cook (5.85, 26) 3,0,1


dorell wright (16.07, 27) 9,2,4
demarre carroll (15.52, 26) 6,1,3
corey brewer (14.76, 27) 12,2,3
al farouq aminu (13.73, 22) 7,1,8
alan anderson (12.61, 30) 11,2,2
chase budinger (12.66, 24) 9,1,3


al jefferson (20.99, 28) 18,9,1
samuel dalembert (18.60, 32) 7,6,1
zaza pachulia (13.11, 29) 6,7,0

[Eman5805]

This is what I want.

[BallSoHard]

This is what I want.

I think we're in the minority.
I would love Evans here.

[JJackisangry]

I think we're in the minority.
I would love Evans here.

For the right price... I agree. The question is: how much will he command salary wise? The options at PG and SF are thin, so i think he will be overpaid.

[Hard'n'DaPaint]

If only Tyreke could play the 3 for us !

[PennStatePelican]

This is what I want.

I've heard of Evans' offensive prowess, especially his ability to create a shot for himself around the basket. But I've also heard several detracting observations about his defense. Where would Evans realistically fit on our team?

I've been intrigued by him as a potential target for us but don't have the basketball acumen to assess his value properly. Is he worthy of a mini-max contract (the max after a rookie deal)? Is he capable of playing perimeter defense? If so, I'm all for acquiring him.

[Kumar]

This is what I want.

I would love him here. That spin move on westbrook at 1:34 was like a teleport Straight nasty. 6'11'' wingspan = blake griffin's? Count me in.

[Kumar]

I think his defensive problems largely stem from him playing on the Kings and that they play him at the 3 now.

[Tomdda]

I've heard of Evans' offensive prowess, especially his ability to create a shot for himself around the basket. But I've also heard several detracting observations about his defense. Where would Evans realistically fit on our team?

I've been intrigued by him as a potential target for us but don't have the basketball acumen to assess his value properly. Is he worthy of a mini-max contract (the max after a rookie deal)? Is he capable of playing perimeter defense? If so, I'm all for acquiring him.

I'd like to know these things as well. Anyone care to fill us in? Eman?

[ScoutWithoutClout]

evans is my 1st choice but as far as i know he hasn't announced whether he will opt out or not. i didn't include him for that reason

[nolaslim213]

This is what I want.

The 1st jumpshot in that video comes after 4 minutes.... That's a big reason why he isn't successful in this league. More than that, he has no floor vision, a horrible basketball I.Q., and he has no defensive awareness. There is a good reason he has amazing tools, yet he is a below average defender. I'll pass.

[Official]

Nvm

[AD23nEG10]

I think his defensive problems largely stem from him playing on the Kings and that they play him at the 3 now.

very possible... similar to guys on that Wizards team (blatche, nick young, mcgee) really havent been heard about as head cases since leaving that team. If tyreke could go back to the 1 like his rookie season and succeed he could be very good for us although I think we need a 1 & 3 who can shoot the ball and he can't shoot well at all

[nolaslim213]

Evans doesn't have the court vision or basketball intelligence to run a team. You guys are falling in love with his athleticism, but that only gets you so far.

[BallSoHard]

Evans doesn't have the court vision or basketball intelligence to run a team. You guys are falling in love with his athleticism, but that only gets you so far.

You misinterpret, I don't want him being a point.

[nolaslim213]

You misinterpret, I don't want him being a point.

I was just responding to the guy above me. I probably should have quoted him, but yeah. I'd be a little more receptive to him at the 3, but I'm nervous for 3 reasons: 1) Can he space the floor? He shot at around 33% last season, but that was by far his best, and he is usually in the 20's. 2) Is he strong enough to guard NBA 3's? Obviously he is quick enough, but I'm not sure he would fare well in the post. Also, is he smart enough to pick up Monty's scheme? He just doesn't seem to have much awareness. 3) Can he rebound at the 3 position? It's a lot different rebounding at the 3 than it is at the 1.

If he checks those boxes, then I'd love him on the team for anywhere under $6-7 million. Unfortunately, I don't think he checks those boxes, so I'd be very concerned if we signed him.

[BallSoHard]

I was just responding to the guy above me. I probably should have quoted him, but yeah. I'd be a little more receptive to him at the 3, but I'm nervous for 3 reasons: 1) Can he space the floor? He shot at around 33% last season, but that was by far his best, and he is usually in the 20's. 2) Is he strong enough to guard NBA 3's? Obviously he is quick enough, but I'm not sure he would fare well in the post. Also, is he smart enough to pick up Monty's scheme? He just doesn't seem to have much awareness. 3) Can he rebound at the 3 position? It's a lot different rebounding at the 3 than it is at the 1.

If he checks those boxes, then I'd love him on the team for anywhere under $6-7 million. Unfortunately, I don't think he checks those boxes, so I'd be very concerned if we signed him.

Spacing the floor is a concern but hopefully whoever we get at the 1 can help w that as well.

Regarding bball int, I think he was a product of his environment. I'm sure he's plenty smart enough.


Rebounds, I think he'd be average at the 3.

I also think he will command 7-9.5 a year.

[ScoutWithoutClout]

no way we can get him for 7 mil. hell command 11-16 mil per year.

[nolaslim213]

Spacing the floor is a concern but hopefully whoever we get at the 1 can help w that as well.

Regarding bball int, I think he was a product of his environment. I'm sure he's plenty smart enough.


Rebounds, I think he'd be average at the 3.

I also think he will command 7-9.5 a year.

While I agree that environment certainly plays a role, I'm still afraid to take that big of a risk on such an uncertain player. Evans has all the tools, but so does Aminu. The problem is that they both just have no feel for the game. I see Evans pass up open players all the time because he doesn't have the court vision. I do like the idea of Burke, Gordon, and an improved Evans. If he ever hit his potential, I'd love him at the 3.

no way we can get him for 7 mil. hell command 11-16 mil per year.

No way, and if anyone gives him that much, they are either crazy or desperate.

[BallSoHard]

While I agree that environment certainly plays a role, I'm still afraid to take that big of a risk on such an uncertain player. Evans has all the tools, but so does Aminu. The problem is that they both just have no feel for the game. I see Evans pass up open players all the time because he doesn't have the court vision. I do like the idea of Burke, Gordon, and an improved Evans. If he ever hit his potential, I'd love him at the 3.



No way, and if anyone gives him that much, they are either crazy or desperate.

I also think some of his growth issues are bc they tried playing him at a different position every single year. And yeah 11-14 is a near or max deal. He won't get that.

[Eman5805]

The 1st jumpshot in that video comes after 4 minutes.... That's a big reason why he isn't successful in this league. More than that, he has no floor vision, a horrible basketball I.Q., and he has no defensive awareness. There is a good reason he has amazing tools, yet he is a below average defender. I'll pass.

Besides LeBron who's only flaw is that he isn't great at shooting, just good at it. Everyone has weaknesses.

I look more to what he bring to the table, rather than what he does. Transition baskets, getting to the basket and the FT line with regularity and finishing, playmaking talent that can create for others despite no floor vision. You pass. I'll finish.

[nolaslim213]

Besides LeBron who's only flaw is that he isn't great at shooting, just good at it. Everyone has weaknesses.

I look more to what he bring to the table, rather than what he does. Transition baskets, getting to the basket and the FT line with regularity and finishing, playmaking talent that can create for others despite no floor vision. You pass. I'll finish.

LeBron is a career 34% 3-point shooter, and he is up to over 40% this year. He is arguably the best passer in the entire league, and he is certainly the best athlete in the league. He has a great post game, he is the best at running the break, and he is arguably the best defender in the league.

Evans is a career 28% 3-point shooter, and he is up to almost 34% this year, but he was down to 20.2% last year. He is a horrible passer who doesn't get his teammates involved, and while he's a great athlete, he doesn't know what to do with that athleticism because he isn't a basketball player. He's just an athlete. He has no post game, and he can't shoot. He doesn't even defend, which he should be great at! All he does is dribble-drive and run the break, and that's just not enough to merit the type of money that is being thrown around in this thread.

While everyone does have weaknesses, the good players' weakness are outweighed by their positive attributes, like LeBron. Evans' negatives outweigh the positives IMO, so therein lies the problem. That said, he is still young, and he has yet to have a good coach in this league, so maybe time with Monty could pull some things out of him. I doubt it, but it's possible.

And yes, he can certainly get to the basket, but he doesn't create for others as you claim. How can anyone finish if they don't get the ball? I'll pass, because Evans can't.

[Snarly]

Percentages can be misleading. Evans has never made more than 45 in a season. The most he's ever attempted was 148. James has a much bigger sample size. He's shooting 40% while attempting 254 threes. That's a great sample size to gauge his improvements.

Evans improvements behind the arc reminds me of Maggette. His percentages will likely dip and rise from year to year. He's going to have to take smart shots to maintain those percentages but I will never mistake him for a threat beyond the arc.

[Eman5805]

LeBron is a career 34% 3-point shooter, and he is up to over 40% this year. He is arguably the best passer in the entire league, and he is certainly the best athlete in the league. He has a great post game, he is the best at running the break, and he is arguably the best defender in the league.

Evans is a career 28% 3-point shooter, and he is up to almost 34% this year, but he was down to 20.2% last year. He is a horrible passer who doesn't get his teammates involved, and while he's a great athlete, he doesn't know what to do with that athleticism because he isn't a basketball player. He's just an athlete. He has no post game, and he can't shoot. He doesn't even defend, which he should be great at! All he does is dribble-drive and run the break, and that's just not enough to merit the type of money that is being thrown around in this thread.

While everyone does have weaknesses, the good players' weakness are outweighed by their positive attributes, like LeBron. Evans' negatives outweigh the positives IMO, so therein lies the problem. That said, he is still young, and he has yet to have a good coach in this league, so maybe time with Monty could pull some things out of him. I doubt it, but it's possible.

And yes, he can certainly get to the basket, but he doesn't create for others as you claim. How can anyone finish if they don't get the ball? I'll pass, because Evans can't.

Not sure what you're bringing up what LeBron can do. Hell, I was using him as an unachievable benchmark of basketball perfection, not some stealth comparison.

But someone like Aminu is a great athlete that doesn't know what to do with his athleticism. You don't shot nearly 50% from the field because you're a great athlete and nothing more. You don't knife through the lane and finish 64% of your shots at the rim if you're just an athlete. A slasher if there ever was one with some of the best handles for anyone above 6'5" in the league. That means he's skilled. It means he's a basketball player. He just leans more heavily towards street ball than the classic run off a dozen screen game of yesterdecade.

I fully acknowledge what he can't. I also fully acknowledge what Evans can't do. But I know what he can. I know his best years are still ahead of him. I'm tired of seeing guys that can only run off screens get shut down by elite teams ala Anderson or Roger Mason. Tired of seeing guys look so helpless when we need to move fast.

Obviously I want him at a reasonable price. If not, look elsewhere. But until then I'll take the basket and the foul, because Tyreke can.