International prospects {merged}

[sting]

Chad Ford's new mock released today:

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Trey Burke
New Orleans Pelicans (8.8)
COLLEGE: Michigan
AGE: 20
HT: 6-1
WT: 175
POS: PG

Analysis: Burke certainly will get a look as the potential No. 1 pick if the Magic draft there. The other team that seems to fit Burke are the Pelicans. Yes, Greivis Vasquez is coming off a breakout season, but Burke is a totally different player and could complement Vazquez coming off the bench early on. The Pelicans' other big need is at small forward. Shabazz Muhammad could get a look here. So could Croatia's Dario Saric. Sources say that the Pelicans are one of the two or three strongest suitors for Saric at the moment.
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Never heard this guy mentioned in top 5.

[Eman5805]

Dario Saric. Not interested. I want slashing, create your own offense off the dribble, face up or back down scorers. Don't need more spot up shooting to make drafting one necessary.

[Smow-]

Dario Saric. Not interested. I want slashing, create your own offense off the dribble, face up or back down scorers. Don't need more spot up shooting to make drafting one necessary.

Well to your dismay, Hoopshype is reporting we are one of 3 teams interested in him.

[TBlaze]

Well to your dismay, Hoopshype is reporting we are one of 3 teams interested in him.

I was about to say. There have been multiple rumors of us like Saric.

With Monty & Dell coming from SA, don't be surprised if we start taking more looks or picks on guys like this. I would love to see us buy a late 1st or 2nd this year for one of those stash type players.

Fournier barely saw the court and then became a key cog in Denver's attack late in the year. Dude is only 19. And remember, in past "weak" drafts, Int'l players FLY off the board. Perhaps one will land here. Bad pun intended.

[Imnos 2]

Dario Saric. Not interested. I want slashing, create your own offense off the dribble, face up or back down scorers. Don't need more spot up shooting to make drafting one necessary.

From the little video I've seen, it doesnt seem like he is limited to being shooter. Seems to play in the post, shoot from outside AND can drive. I agree with you Eman that we need a slasher. I think we can get that with our Lottery pick. But what if we traded a player for another 1rst round pick? For instance, we draft Burke and then we trade GV to someone like Dallas or Utah for their first and a second.

[Eman5805]

Well to your dismay, Hoopshype is reporting we are one of 3 teams interested in him.

No dismay. Don't care for him. But I know very little about him also. Something could be seen by brass.

[Snarly]

I remember last year when we're were really interested in Fournier. Demps has always shown interest in international prospects. Whether he pulls the trigger on one is another story.

[BP225]

I remember last year when we're were really interested in Fournier. Demps has always shown interest in international prospects. Whether he pulls the trigger on one is another story.

Monty said he's tired of kids that don't know how to play basketball, no way they take Saric at 5, but I could see him trading for a 1st rounder if Demps is really interested.

[HornetGuru]

According to Chad Ford's most recent mock he stated that 1 out of 3 teams very interested in Dario Saric are the Pelicans according to his sources.

Any info on this guy? He's supposed to have point forward skills. If we took him at 5 i would throw up, wonder if this means maybe we are working on a trade to get us a mid 1st round lotto pick?

[HornetGuru]

looks like i was late on this one lol. thanks to the mods for moving it in here.

[Drudkh]

According to Chad Ford's most recent mock he stated that 1 out of 3 teams very interested in Dario Saric are the Pelicans according to his sources.

Any info on this guy? He's supposed to have point forward skills. If we took him at 5 i would throw up, wonder if this means maybe we are working on a trade to get us a mid 1st round lotto pick?

If we take him with our first pick I would be shocked, although if we could manage a pick inbetween 15-20 I would have no issue picking him up. Toni Kukoc mk 2??? I have heard some pretty good reports on the kid, he definitely holds his own in Europe for only a 19 year old. Draft express has some good analysis and video's up on him so maybe check them out.

Not to mention this kid is from the same small town in Croatia my dad is from Sibenik. Which is also the same town Drazen Petrovic was born and raised which my dad had the honour of playing against when he was a teenager.

Maybe I might bump into Saric when I travel down to Sibenik later this year.

[Snarly]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Schroeder is moving up the boards. Draftexpress has him at 18 and Ford just mocked him at 23 while the crazier nbadraftnet mocked him at 12. He's rising up everyone's boards. And I'll say this again, his game is tailor-made for the american style of basketball.

[AD23forMVP]

I wouldn't mind Saric at 5 if McLemore, Oladipo, and Porter are off the board.

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

Can Saric guard NBA 3's?

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

If we take him with our first pick I would be shocked, although if we could manage a pick inbetween 15-20 I would have no issue picking him up. Toni Kukoc mk 2??? I have heard some pretty good reports on the kid, he definitely holds his own in Europe for only a 19 year old. Draft express has some good analysis and video's up on him so maybe check them out.

Not to mention this kid is from the same small town in Croatia my dad is from Sibenik. Which is also the same town Drazen Petrovic was born and raised which my dad had the honour of playing against when he was a teenager.

Maybe I might bump into Saric when I travel down to Sibenik later this year.

Which part of Melbourne you in?
I'm from the eastern suburbs in Doncaster.

Good to see an Australian Hornets/Pelicans fan.
Not too many of us.

[AUSSIE_PELICAN]

I wouldn't mind Saric at 5 if McLemore, Oladipo, and Porter are off the board.

What no Burke love?

[hornetstime247]

Demos said in the phone intrerview something along that " international players are back". There was a time following the Pejas and Dirks of the league that a couple of high profile euro draft busts scared teams away from drafting euros but now it seems that most euros taken the past few years have been a hit... Fournier, Ibaka, Pekovic, Asik, Batum, montejunas, valancunas,Kanter. Euros are just more prepared at young age than north americans because they have been playing proffesional ball since they were 16 and before that attending basketball academy schools. Saric would a be a great pick. I would rather have him than Oladipo because Saric is incredibly skilled.

[AD23forMVP]

What no Burke love?

I mean I like him, but I don't think that he isn't the type of PG Monty and Dell want, and I think there are plenty of PG's that are gettable this offseason. Can't really say the same about SF's.

I mean I see the poll where people want Burke over Porter, and that's just funny. It doesn't matter how the draft falls, if Porter and Burke are available every single time we are up to pick then the pick will be Porter even if you redo the draft a hundred times.

[TBlaze]

I mean I like him, but I don't think that he isn't the type of PG Monty and Dell want, and I think there are plenty of PG's that are gettable this offseason.

You've got me intrigued... now please elaborate into the "type" that DelMonty want & exactly who the "plenty" are?

To preface, my ideal offseason would be signing Jennings (who Demps is in love with) and then drafting Bazz/Porter/Burke in that order and still signing someone like Budinger/Webster to bolster our 2nd unit. Although I would take Burke over Porter in a heartbeat b/c we aren't going to land a top flight talent next year barring a huge mishap (our record or a prospect sliding.)

[ScoutWithoutClout]

schroeder is crazy fast/quick but may be too long term of a project for us to touch. also, killerhornets insight is worth consideration. i don't like saric's stats or athleticism. jean charles may be the best of these 3. he has good game awareness and plays hard.

the best foreign prospect is going to be Giannis Adetokunbo, who should declare next year. check him out, he's an 18 year old 6' 10 point guard

[Snarly]

schroeder is crazy fast/quick but may be too long term of a project for us to touch. also, killerhornets insight is worth consideration. i don't like saric's stats or athleticism. jean charles may be the best of these 3. he has good game awareness and plays hard.

the best foreign prospect is going to be Giannis Adetokunbo, who should declare next year. check him out, he's an 18 year old 6' 10 point guard

already declared and is even more of a project compared to Schroeder.

[Eman5805]

With regards to Schroeder. If we're rebuilding, isn't a high reward type project exactly what the doctor ordered?

I mean, a team that needs a productive point guard NOW needs to avoid him, but if we're not looking to make a power play for another season or two, wouldn't it make sense to roll the dice now?

[nolaslim213]

With regards to Schroeder. If we're rebuilding, isn't a high reward type project exactly what the doctor ordered?

I mean, a team that needs a productive point guard NOW needs to avoid him, but if we're not looking to make a power play for another season or two, wouldn't it make sense to roll the dice now?

Not in the top-5. I'd take him in the late teens though, for sure.

[Eman5805]

What? I'd demolish a house with my bare hands if we drafted him. Just wonder how the notion is out of the question in general.

[nolaslim213]

What? I'd demolish a house with my bare hands if we drafted him. Just wonder how the notion is out of the question in general.

Because in the top-5, you have much more proven, high-upside prospects. Schroeder did alright in a crappy German league. That doesn't inspire much confidence... He has tools, sure, but he is raw as hell, and there are just many more questions with him compared to guys like Burke, Oladipo, McLemore, Noel, Porter, etc...

Again, 15 or later, and I'd be all for drafting him. Less risk in that section of picks, so you can go all potential, no substance.