Kind of surprised more stuff like this hasn't already come out, he's apparently a superstar there.
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Vasquez Gatorade commercial in Venezuela
Kind of surprised more stuff like this hasn't already come out, he's apparently a superstar there.
Wow good for him!
Wherehappens.
I don't care what anyone on this board says. I love Vasquez. Any player that plays with the passion he plays with, is welcome on my team any day.
Very happy for him. He just wants to win and that's what I like about him. He plays with such passion. Just don't want him as our starting pg that's all. Lol
Last edited by kclaboy504; 05-09-2013 at 09:37 AM.
I understand your feels. But I like I've told others on this board, until someone else proves that they're better, Vasquez is my starter.Originally Posted by kclaboy504
BTW, good for Vasquez on the Gatorade commerical. Dude works hard.
I think people need to realize he is a serviceable starting PG. Not one of the best, not one of the worst. Yea we could do better, but i'd rather upgrade the SF and C positions before me upgrade the PG position.
He is too much of a defensive liability. He doesn't have the court vision needed to maximize Davis skills. He dominates the ball way too much when he's on the court. He needs to learn to defer to the better players on the court with him. I'm pretty sure we will see the pg position upgraded either thru the draft or FA. Vasquez is a backup pg and a great one at that but nothing more. IMO.
Go hard Greivis.
So considering all of the positions to upgrade on this team, Vasquez at PG is the one you want to replace the most??? You must really like Aminu at SF and the combination of Mason/Rivers backing up Gordon??? IMO, those guys were horrendous!
IMO, we are in serious need of a starting SF and backup SG. I'm not ready to give up on a 3rd year PG finishing his first full season as a starter. This reminds me of when everybody was so desperate to get rid of D-West because wasn't a great athlete. But the guy played with a high b-ball IQ and a lot of effort. You guys can keep those "Julian Wright/JuJu" type players.
I think people here are over thinking the situation and letting their felling take extreme visions. IMO there are 4 positions that need upgrade in the teem (C, SF, PG and back up SG). It is unlikely that we will have the opportunity to upgrade all of them, not only because of the money, but because of players availability and complexity of trade deals.
I don't think that Del and Monty are obsessed or fixated with upgrading one of these positions over the others. They will try and get the best upgrades they can put together, which means, that it is possible they would upgrade the other 3 position and Vasquez would be our starter, or it is possible that he will be traded, to upgrade PG. Ultimately as it has been said before there are different configurations that can make this teem a contender, some of them with Vasquez at PG and some without.
Which off these configurations we will get will be decided by the market opportunities available rather than the team management philosophy.
Who wants Julian wright/juju type players? So if we go for a more athletic player u label him into that category?? Pg is the most important position on a team. If you have Poor pg play then the whole team suffers cause of it. Vasquez isnt going to all of sudden get faster on his feet. Comparing it to west is just wrong. You don't have to be fast and be off the charts athletically at the pf position. When u can't stay in front your man(pg) then it breaks the whole defense down. It gets other guys out of position and in tough spots. He gets blown by on the regular and our defense suffers because of it. I agree with you we need to upgrade the sf and c position also. I don't put center as high as either one of these tho. It's not like we are strapped to only upgrading 1 position of our choice. We have the draft and FA. Dell and Monty both have already said numerous times the pg position isn't being played how they envision it being played and will look to upgrade it.
I dont know why Dell and Monty showed their hand
when admitting they need to upgrade at PG.
I know its pretty much common knowledge but
this just lowers Vasqueze's trade value.
They did no such thing.
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I hope nobody argues this point.
That's awesome. Just yesterday I was thinking that Vasquez would probably never get endorsement deals because he doesn't have that "it" factor. Yay for him
I don't know when pg became the most important position on the team, the Jazz didn't do a whole lot with Williams (and they had Boozer and Okure), the Lakers won with Fisher. I think what you need to say is that the pg needs to know his role. We aren't losing because of GV, much like we aren't winning in spite of GV, we are getting by as we search for better pieces.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
First off, grats to Vasquez! I know he, his family, and his home country are real proud of him. Hoping he can find a long career in the NBA.
Eh, I disagree with the bolded. You only need competency at the lead guard position, nothing particularly great. A bad point can doom your team, but a great one isn't as valuable as a great big. Size still matters a heck of a lot.
Greivis does lack the defense needed but would be an acceptable starter on any team if he can get it up to a point that he can force his man into help while being a minor deterrent to give the help the time needed to rotate.
In general, you need two really great players that are capable of having the offense run through them with ball-handlers, shooters, and finishers filling the rest of the team out. The ball-handlers are needed to help break traps, shooters to space the floor, and finishers to receive the passes that the best players will occasionally give them.
Yea I should of went in further. I think it's the most important position that u have someone that is capable. In other words. If u have a cp3 type pg then u can mask the defiencency at other positions much easier. The pg is pretty much the general of the team. He is also the first line of defense on the defensive side of the ball. I think it's much easier to get by with a weak link at other positions more than the pg spot. Just my opinion tho.
Last edited by kclaboy504; 05-08-2013 at 08:35 PM.
Of course all this matters on the make up of that certain team. How it is put together. One team the pg position might be more important the next team and so forth. I think the pg position for the pelicans is def the more important position to get the wheels rolling. IMO. Miami has no size or dominant bigs. They are best team in the nba. That's why I say I guess it just matters on the make up of each team.
Last edited by kclaboy504; 05-08-2013 at 08:38 PM.
That's not true either. CP3 hasn't been playing with chopped liver in LA the last two seasons. CP3 might be one of the best pg's today but he is prof you can be the best at your craft with good talent around you, and it doesn't matter unless you have the right system to play them in. I love what CP3 did for us while he was here, but I would take a solid sf, or a better center before Inwent after a great pg.
I'm assuming your responding to me saying I think pg is the more important position for the pelicans right? Reason I say this is cause with players such as aminu and Davis. You need a pg with good to great vision and passing abilites. Vazquez lacked in that area big time. I can't count how many times he missed both those guys goin to the basket. Like I've said before. I think this team could of won another 10 games with better pg play this year. I just think with the makeup of this team as it currently stands. The pg position is vital. I also wouldn't take a solid or a better anything over a great pg. give me the great player every time regardless of position.
But the makeup of this team is going to change (lucky for all of us). We could get lucky and see somebody beat out GV, and we could see an upgrade at sf or sg. This really is an exciting time for this team, but I wouldn't blow my load on a pg when an upgrade won't cost as much, and I really could use more scorers to push me higher than where I am now.
For sure
smh
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