International prospects {merged}

[AD23forMVP]

What is the thought on international prospects in this years class?

I look at guys like Dennis Schroeder, Dario Saric, and a riser in Livio Jean-Charles that all fit needs.

[BallSoHard]

Schroeder is very high on my list.

[donato]

Most intrigued by Gobert and Schroeder.

[GESWhoseBack]

Would really like to see a workout with Schroeder and Burke. Be very interesting to me. Hell throw Austin in there too. Winner gets the keys to the offense.

[Snarly]

Don't forget about Giannis Adetokunbo. He's going to shoot up the boards after the combines and workouts.

[FLYINGPELICANS]

I think I might get one of these jerseys and get Davis or "Ryno" on the back any one else? Never knew there was another team named the pelicans

[Mr. West]

Don't forget about Giannis Adetokunbo. He's going to shoot up the boards after the combines and workouts.

Yeah, I like him. He's measurements are pretty crazy and he handles and shoots good enough for a small forward. Still could grow some too. He'd definitely be a project though.

[wuggie]

Yeah, I like him. He's measurements are pretty crazy and he handles and shoots good enough for a small forward. Still could grow some too. He'd definitely be a project though.

He's has potential but I dunno, he sorta smells like, like..."Juju". Lmao but the kid has potential to be great but how has most prospects from over the pond pan out lately? It's seems too much of an adjustment for them to come over here and adjust to this lifestyle, style of play and among other things. They rarely work out it seems or atleast not fast enough and get forgotten almost.

[HornetGuru]

giannis and shrouder are the 2 best prospects

giannis i see a poor man's durant, he is only 18 and will improve

shrouder i see a poor man's westbrook/brandon jennings mix.

[KillerHornet]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

[MeSoHornets504]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Thanks for posting from that perspective. I personally like Roberts, for what he is and brings to the table. So, did Schroeder's team get relegated?

[Mr. West]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Thanks for the information man. I wasn't high on Schroeder before, but definitely not now. He would be a pretty huge reach unless we decided to trade down anyhow. Welcome to the board.

Your English was spot on, don't let that keep you from posting from now on, by the way.

[Kurgan]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Herzlich willkommen! post more, we need more euros among all the yankees here

Thanks for the info about schröder, didn't know much about him before your post, don't like him much now for sure.

As Mr. West said, don't worry about your english and don't let it stop you from posting. I've seen way worse english from americans on this board. Thanks again for your info man

[BallSoHard]

giannis and shrouder are the 2 best prospects

giannis i see a poor man's durant, he is only 18 and will improve

shrouder i see a poor man's westbrook/brandon jennings mix.

IMO not a good comparison for Giannis; Durant is a very natural scorer an Giannis is not. I liked your Pippen one better.
Schroeder I see a lot of Tony Parker with that crazy first step.

[RaisingTheBar]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Thank you for this post and welcome.

[BallSoHard]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Good stuff. I like him, but I know he'd need 3 years before he became a player in the league.

[Eman5805]

Livio Jean-Charles's measurables and reports reads just like Aminu. If there's even the slightest chance he could maximize those tools, could be quite a get in the 2nd round or so.

[NOLa.]

Dang killer your spelling and grammar is better than half of this board already. Also, nice post bro.

[da ThRONe]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Interesting incite. This is why I shy away judging international players just not enough inside info to really make informed decisions.

[FLYINGPELICANS]

hi guys, i'm a hornets/ pelicans fan out of germany, who is reading here for years. first of all, i'm sorry for my poor english. i hope you guys can understand my words anyway. i've registered here to tell you sth about dennis schröder, because i'm thinking there is leck of imformation on this boarrd.

schröder plays in braunschweig (brunswick), which is just 60 miles away from my hometown. therefore i watched plenty of games of him. plus, a friend of mine, played some years with him in some youth national teams. so i guess, i got a complete picture of him in mind.

some thoughts:

1) right now, there is no way he is good enough to play in the nba. braunschweig is a bad team in the german pro league (BBL) and schroeder mainley plays there for financial reasons. his team isn't rich enough to fill the PG spot with a quality player. i think schroeder isn't among the best 10 lead guards in the BBL.
if you look at brian roberts, who also played in germany, and don't like what you see, schroeder will disappoint you. In fact, roberts was one of the best guards in the BBL at a very good team in bamberg. as a sixth men of his team, he was a seroius candidate for BBL's MVP award.
so in one sentence: roberts is much better than schroeder, which tells you a lot.

2) some compare schröder with rajon rondo. thats quite a bad joke. sure, due to his athleticism, he is already a decent defender with good anticipation und tremdendous lateral quickniss, but his recognition of P&R situations is really bad. in addition, he is no floor general, but looks most of the time for his own shot. if i've to campare him, i would say bobby jackson could be realistic.

3) mental aspects. schroeder seems to have problems to be a positive character in a group of guys. the friend of mine, who has played with schroeder, told me, he is arrogant. recently, he missed a team workout with braunschweig after the hoop summit. that is quite a bad move, because his team battled for a spot to avoid to got in the german minor league.

Your grammar look to be pretty well compared to other on this site and thank you. I to find out more on players from Germeny and other international players I wish we could see some foregin basketball over here in the states. Thanks again

[KillerHornet]

Thanks for posting from that perspective. I personally like Roberts, for what he is and brings to the table. So, did Schroeder's team get relegated?

I also like Roberts, but most of the board don't. For that reason, i compared schröders performance in the BBL with roberts. Despite schröder was locked out by his coach, braunschweig didn't get relegated. But the fact that schröder missed the team workout allthough BS led him go to the hoop summit, was quiet a shock in the small german basketball community.

i really don't say, that he can't be a great player. but for now, he isn't ready at all to play major minutes in the nba. his (physical) talents are obvious and his ball skills are as good as you can imagine, but there is a huge lack of mental craftiness in his game. even tough his one-on-one skills will better match with the type of game, which is played in the nba than in europe, he simply isn't ready to lead a team. i don't say, its not possible for him to figure that out (he never played for a great coach and he has depeloped pretty over the past two years) but personnaly i want the pelicans to get a decent starter at point guard. therefore i love trey burke.

schröder will definiteley succeed, but it takes time. drafting him in the 2nd round, parking him at a better BBL team with some international games (bamberg or berlin) over the next 3 years und you can get an excellent defender with some shot-making abilities. but no way, we should waste or lottery pick on him.

if you guys look for the next big thing out of europe, check out dario saric.


@ at all

thanks for welcome me. there are just a few hornets addicted fans on my german board, which is sometimes really disappointing, because nobody is there for discussion. if you understand my arguments, i would really like to be a part of you community.

[Vetler]

I also like Roberts, but most of the board don't. For that reason, i compared schröders performance in the BBL with roberts. Despite schröder was locked out by his coach, braunschweig didn't get relegated. But the fact that schröder missed the team workout allthough BS led him go to the hoop summit, was quiet a shock in the small german basketball community.

i really don't say, that he can't be a great player. but for now, he isn't ready at all to play major minutes in the nba. his (physical) talents are obvious and his ball skills are as good as you can imagine, but there is a huge lack of mental craftiness in his game. even tough his one-on-one skills will better match with the type of game, which is played in the nba than in europe, he simply isn't ready to lead a team. i don't say, its not possible for him to figure that out (he never played for a great coach and he has depeloped pretty over the past two years) but personnaly i want the pelicans to get a decent starter at point guard. therefore i love trey burke.

schröder will definiteley succeed, but it takes time. drafting him in the 2nd round, parking him at a better BBL team with some international games (bamberg or berlin) over the next 3 years und you can get an excellent defender with some shot-making abilities. but no way, we should waste or lottery pick on him.

if you guys look for the next big thing out of europe, check out dario saric.


@ at all

thanks for welcome me. there are just a few hornets addicted fans on my german board, which is sometimes really disappointing, because nobody is there for discussion. if you understand my arguments, i would really like to be a part of you community.

I am a Hornets/Pelicans Fan from Germany, too! Did not know that there is a german hornets board as well, please give me the link!

I personally think that schroeder, if he develops slowly in europe over years could one day be a serveable nba point guard, but to trade down for him in this draft, is a bad idea for the pels! like you said, right now, roberts can bring more to the table and what we need is a true starting point guard who knows his game!

[Snarly]

Thanks for the perspective KillerHornet but I have to disagree with your analysis as how it translate to the league. When I looked at the highlights from germany, I too, feel he was just another young kid with tools who wasn't ready for the league.

But then, he showed up at the Nike Hoop Summit and showed a side of him that I never saw in his highlight tapes. That side favorably shows the comparison to Rondo. A kind with great vision with an incredibly great first step. He was unguardable by doubleteams and easily split/got round them and got anywhere on the court with ease.

He played against NBA caliber NBA prospect and pretty much outplayed and outshined most of the best. These guys were playing a lot like that way the NBA and their spacing is played. I think his drive and kick game is perfectly tailored to the NBA style. You said his pick and roll game is bad right now but it looked amazing during the Nike Hoops Summit and he was praised all week long. I'm sure he'll have to develop like most young kids but I saw a kid that's more than just a project.

You can't scout these kids based on competition because the international game and the NBA is so much different especially with the spacing.

[Tomdda]

Don't forget about Giannis Adetokunbo. He's going to shoot up the boards after the combines and workouts.

That guy would scare me if taken too soon, and it would scare me not to take him. He's extraordinarily athletic no doubt, but the level of competition leaves an accurate evaluation iffy at best. A phrase that comes to mind about him is "a gamble on greatness."

[Snarly]

That guy would scare me if taken too soon, and it would scare me not to take him. He's extraordinarily athletic no doubt, but the level of competition leaves an accurate evaluation iffy at best. A phrase that comes to mind about him is "a gamble on greatness."

He is an incredibly big gamble right now especially with what we know. He could be one of those guys that could potentially put a GM on a hot seat or even fired if drafted too high. But the good news is, teams will get a much better look at him closer to the draft and will find out more about his coordination, hands, IQ, skill, work ethic, and capacity to grow.