The Missing Piece: Scouting Shabazz

[HornetGuru]

Jr smith just started driving again. Before this year he relied on questionable shots. Which is exactly what Shabazz does.

ya but JR smith has always been known as a high flying dunker, i dont think bazz has nearly the same athleticism personally.

[HornetGuru]

JR Smith has NEVER backed anyone down. And he also doesn't crash the offensive glass. Like at all. They're almost polar opposites in that regard. Smith grabs defensive boards and ignores the offensive one, while Shabazz crashes one and ignores the other. Bazz also gets to the FT line a lot.

Which is another prerequisite for scoring a lot of points. Getting to the line.

Can't really compare his game to guys like JR Smith or Nick Young like NBADraft.net do. They may judge overall impact to be there, but his style of game is very old school like the OP said.

agreed, bazz plays with a rugged mentality

[BallSoHard]

JR Smith has NEVER backed anyone down. And he also doesn't crash the offensive glass. Like at all. They're almost polar opposites in that regard. Smith grabs defensive boards and ignores the offensive one, while Shabazz crashes one and ignores the other. Bazz also gets to the FT line a lot.

Which is another prerequisite for scoring a lot of points. Getting to the line.

Can't really compare his game to guys like JR Smith or Nick Young like NBADraft.net do. They may judge overall impact to be there, but his style of game is very old school like the OP said.

J.R Smith also went into the NBA out of high school and hasn't really had much of a size advantage over anyone where Shabazz does against college players(to back people down). Their TS% are roughly the same as well as their eFG% Block % as well as their usage rates and turnover rates. Their Ortg and Drtgs are near identical as well (admittedly not a great measure). J.R. Smith IS a much more willing passer (shockingly enough). But yes, i think the comparison is fundamentally sound. You may disagree, and I hope we can agree to disagree if this hasn't swayed you.

True Shooting This year
JR Smith .522
Shabazz .528

eFG%
JR Smith: .484
Shabazz: .487


Block %:
JR Smith:.7
Shabazz:.4

Usage Rate:
JR Smith: 26.5
Shabzzz:29.8

Turnover %
JR Smith:8.8
Shabazz:8.6

oRtg
JR Smith:107
Shabazz: 110

dRtg
JR Smith: 106
Shabazz: 104.5

[BallSoHard]

ya but JR smith has always been known as a high flying dunker, i dont think bazz has nearly the same athleticism personally.

We agree there. I'm think in terms of overall game, not physical tools. Shabazz isn't in the same athletic class as Smith.

[HornetGuru]

We agree there. I'm think in terms of overall game, not physical tools. Shabazz isn't in the same athletic class as Smith.

oh ok gotcha

[HornetGuru]

J.R Smith also went into the NBA out of high school and hasn't really had much of a size advantage over anyone where Shabazz does against college players(to back people down). Their TS% are roughly the same as well as their eFG% Block % as well as their usage rates and turnover rates. Their Ortg and Drtgs are near identical as well (admittedly not a great measure). J.R. Smith IS a much more willing passer (shockingly enough). But yes, i think the comparison is fundamentally sound. You may disagree, and I hope we can agree to disagree if this hasn't swayed you.

True Shooting This year
JR Smith .522
Shabazz .528

eFG%
JR Smith: .484
Shabazz: .487


Block %:
JR Smith:.7
Shabazz:.4

Usage Rate:
JR Smith: 26.5
Shabzzz:29.8

Turnover %
JR Smith:8.8
Shabazz:8.6

oRtg
JR Smith:107
Shabazz: 110

dRtg
JR Smith: 106
Shabazz: 104.5

bazz beat him in basically every catergory. Are Smith's stats from this year in the NBA?

[BallSoHard]

bazz beat him in basically every catergory. Are Smith's stats from this year in the NBA?

Yeah. Not apples to apples but ya a comparison.

[HornetGuru]

Yeah. Not apples to apples but ya a comparison.

ok cool, those are pretty impressive stats for bazz. Do you happen to know bazz's win shares per 48?

[Hard'n'DaPaint]

I like what bazz could bring to our team in terms of skills. Next to GV EG he could shine.
The lineup that is exciting me the most would be Rivers-EG-Bazz-Ryno-AD. It could be a nightmare for the opposing team defense and we should be pretty good on defense.
I think that when you go pro and especially in organisation like the Pels with great expectations for the future and a head coach like Monty any overconfident/arrogant/headcase kid will watch his attitude. I mean, look what Monty did with Thornton. I trust Monty enough so I'm not worried about Bazz attitude. Plus Bazz will be surrounded by young vets, so he would be alright .

I really like Burke, his gesture reminds me of a more scoring oriented version of young CP3, before CP acquired his charisma in his shot form and his court vision. He is not a very elegant passer, but an effective one. i think he could be very good for us. But what are we supposed to do with Gv and Rivers then if we draft Burke?

Pair AD and Noel could be a very interesting combination. Does Noel have some Drummond in him?

These are my 3 targets if CLE takes Porter before us.
Having the 5th pick this year puts us in an interesting position IMO

[iNolaNightmare]

Victor Oladipo is made for this team. His work ethic, passion, tenacious defense, athleticism, and low key attitude is exactly what we need. The thought of him and AD gives me chills. I want this kid so badly.

[HornetGuru]

Victor Oladipo is made for this team. His work ethic, passion, tenacious defense, athleticism, and low key attitude is exactly what we need. The thought of him and AD gives me chills. I want this kid so badly.

if he can keep developing his jumper like he has over his college years he could be the best player in the draft.

[Kumar]

Its probably a given we have to get rid of Gordon if we draft Oladipo. Not necessarily this year, because you know Monty likes to ease the rooks in, but once Oladipo proves he can flourish as a starter.

[wuggie]

if he can keep developing his jumper like he has over his college years he could be the best player in the draft.

A good comparison is kind of Westbrook minus the attitude and "style" lol he has an indentical motor on offense and defense as Westbrook, if not better and a lot more tamed. That's why I want Oladipo soo bad, you never know what that motor may bring.

[Kumar]

Also, any chance Oladipo can play point?

[HornetGuru]

Also, any chance Oladipo can play point?

naa strictly a SG, could play SF in a small lineup

[HornetGuru]

A good comparison is kind of Westbrook minus the attitude and "style" lol he has an indentical motor on offense and defense as Westbrook, if not better and a lot more tamed. That's why I want Oladipo soo bad, you never know what that motor may bring.

ya i see what ur saying, westbrook was drafted as an elite defensive prospect and whatever they got offensively was extra, he was pretty decent in college from 3 like oladipo