Brandon Jennings OR Jeff Teague?

[Eman5805]

How about neither? Sorry I can't get behind either of these guys seeing as their PERs are on par (Teague) or worse (Jennings) than GV.

Just draft Burke.

PER is an extremely weak stat. Not to mention that the PERs I've found are 16.7, 16.4, and 16.4.

Would it matter if I told you which was which? I mean, when that is so equal, wouldn't other factors come into play?

And this is coming from someone that loves him some Burke.

Edit: Here's some advanced stats:

Greivis Vasquez: 50.4% True shooting, 47.6% Efficiency percentage, 105 Offensive Rating, 112 Defensive Rating, 3.1 Offensive Win Share, 0.8 Defensive Win Share, 3.8 Win Share, .069 Win Share per 48 minutes, 23.1 Usage

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...vasqugr01.html

Jeff Teague: 54.1% True shooting, 49.4% Efficiency percentage, 106 Offensive Rating, 106 Defensive Rating, 3.3 Offensive Win Share, 2.6 Defensive Win Share, 5.9 Win Share, .111 Win Share per 48 minutes, 23 Usage

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...teaguje01.html

Brandon Jennings: 51.2% True shooting, 47% Efficiency percentage, 106 Offensive Rating, 108 Defensive Rating, 3.6 Offensive Win Share, 2.2 Defensive Win Share, 5.9 Win Share, .099 Win Share per 48 minutes, 23.7 Usage

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jennibr01.html

Feel free to double check.

[UNO Gracias]

How about we trade GV, draft Burke, and forget about signing Jennings, and Teague to contracts that they will never live up to?

Win, win, win.

PER is an advanced stat so we can't dismiss it.

[Eman5805]

Can. And will. Doesn't take defense into account because it's nearly impossible to measure defense in anything but blocks and steals.

Also, it doesn't give you a real idea of what a player is capable. I don't know much about Teague. But I know that Jennings at his best can have damn near a 20/20 game. Or he could drop 40 points. Vasquez doesn't stack up.

Eyeballs and stats. Gotta use both.

Going by one you should wanna confirm the other. And going by stats, makes me wanna see what Teague is made of.

[UNO Gracias]

I thought having a triple double and solid numbers would sell people on the fact that GV is a top 20 pg. guess not.

The two optioned presented are more "grass is always greener on the other side" than actually better options.

[Eman5805]

Two options presented can actually get out in transition, get to the rim, play better defense, and I trust both with the ball more in clutch situations.

[Inner_GI]

We need improvement on defense. Vasquez's offense may not be drive and kick, but his Offense can work on a team with other scorers. So if we are suggesting an upgrade, I want a PG that impacts on the defensive side of the ball. I don't think either one of these does.

[Purple Haze]

Two options presented can actually get out in transition, get to the rim, play better defense, and I trust both with the ball more in clutch situations.

Pretty much sums it up. Much love for Gravy but he will never do any of these (and no, I don't count him driving in and flipping up a prayer off the glass "getting to the rim").

[UNO Gracias]

That's fine. I don't trust any of the three, so give me Burke.

Look, Jennings and Ellis are water and oil. It will be the same with him and Gordon.
The Hawks are going o match any contract Teague signs, so you will have to overspend for him.
GV is a solid bench guy, who can start in a pinch and knows your system.

Stay in house, and draft your pg of the future.

[NOLa.]

Wit the amount of advanced stats that get thrown around here as scripture we are supposed to ignore PER?

Nah man I said you just can't look at that one number. It's like reading the back of a paperback book. It summarizes an gives you the plot but you still don't know what the book is about.

Plus I don't see why ESPN and other websites makes a big deal about PER.

[Eman5805]

Hm. One quick search of Jeff Teague and defense and I ran across this article from 2 years ago when the Bucks beat the Bulls in the first game of their playoff series.

http://butthegameison.com/blog/32450/

If I remember right, Rose went off in subsequent nights, though. So whatever fortune Teague had didn't hold up against the beast that is Derrick Rose. The NBA needs this man to return.

[donato]

hopefully neither

[UNO Gracias]

Nah man I said you just can't look at that one number. It's like reading the back of a paperback book. It summarizes an gives you the plot but you still don't know what the book is about.

Plus I don't see why ESPN and other websites makes a big deal about PER.

Because it is an advanced metric system created by a University of Virginia alum, who wrote for the Wall Street Jornal, and is a regular at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytical Conference, and who currently works as the head of operations for one of the better NBA teams. With a resume like that it makes you wonder, why aren't we all using his metric system?

[NOLa.]

It's still just a number.

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[UNO Gracias]

It is just a number. Just a bit more accurate and useful than most.

It's like Jimmy Johnson's draft chart that so many gm's and NFL people use today. They are just numbers, but they are way more useful than using the eye test.

[Purple Haze]

Because it is an advanced metric system created by a University of Virginia alum, who wrote for the Wall Street Jornal, and is a regular at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytical Conference, and who currently works as the head of operations for one of the better NBA teams. With a resume like that it makes you wonder, why aren't we all using his metric system?

You're pretty gullible and reactionary man. Look more into the whole range of advanced stats (real shooting %, adjusted %s, etc.) and you'll understand why it's a poor man's advanced stat.

The paperback book analogy was perfect.

[UNO Gracias]

Maybe I am a simple man. But if that is the case I am going to follow the guy who knows what he is doing (as proven by the fact he actually is asked to speak on these metric systems) and runs an NBA team. Seems pretty fool proof to me. I am not going to take stock advice from a yahoo message board.

[Purple Haze]

Maybe I am a simple man. But if that is the case I am going to follow the guy who knows what he is doing (as proven by the fact he actually is asked to speak on these metric systems) and runs an NBA team. Seems pretty fool proof to me. I am not going to take stock advice from a yahoo message board.

But that's the point, you can still take it into account without taking it as the end-all-be-all of stats and baselines.

Hell useage rate alone blows up some PER rankings. It's just too easy to take a few more statistics into account to let PER be your fool proof watermark.

[NOLa.]

Simple men read into numbers? Confused, I always thought that was the eye test. Maybe you read too much into that Moneyball movie guy.

[HornetGuru]

PER is an extremely weak stat. Not to mention that the PERs I've found are 16.7, 16.4, and 16.4.

Would it matter if I told you which was which? I mean, when that is so equal, wouldn't other factors come into play?

And this is coming from someone that loves him some Burke.

Edit: Here's some advanced stats:

Greivis Vasquez: 50.4% True shooting, 47.6% Efficiency percentage, 105 Offensive Rating, 112 Defensive Rating, 3.1 Offensive Win Share, 0.8 Defensive Win Share, 3.8 Win Share, .069 Win Share per 48 minutes, 23.1 Usage

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...vasqugr01.html

Jeff Teague: 54.1% True shooting, 49.4% Efficiency percentage, 106 Offensive Rating, 106 Defensive Rating, 3.3 Offensive Win Share, 2.6 Defensive Win Share, 5.9 Win Share, .111 Win Share per 48 minutes, 23 Usage

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...teaguje01.html

Brandon Jennings: 51.2% True shooting, 47% Efficiency percentage, 106 Offensive Rating, 108 Defensive Rating, 3.6 Offensive Win Share, 2.2 Defensive Win Share, 5.9 Win Share, .099 Win Share per 48 minutes, 23.7 Usage

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...jennibr01.html

Feel free to double check.

This made me want teague even more, better true shooting percentage, better overall win share, better defender.

[NOLa.]

Overshadowed by Josh Smith and Horford, and previously Joe Johnson but Teague was still young. I remember Teague playing at Wake, a constant headache for UNC when he played.

[HornetGuru]

A lot of people saying hawks will m atch teague but they are rumored to be going after cp3 so immediately when free agency starts u throw ur contract at teague and hawks wont be able to match because they will be dealing with cp3 and dwight.

[da ThRONe]

Really neither going to have to over pay for both. If I had to choose I'll choose Teague. He should be cheaper and is better on defense.

[UNO Gracias]

Simple men read into numbers? Confused, I always thought that was the eye test. Maybe you read too much into that Moneyball movie guy.

Who said simple men read into numbers. I didn't.

Draft Burke is all I am saying.

[Purple Haze]

If I had to choose I'd choose Teague without batting an eyelash.

[NOLa.]

Draft Burke is all I am saying.

Haha needs to be your sig.