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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    We will know in 9 days how many lottery balls we will have for the May 21st Draft Lottery. Some teams have seperated themselves, and now the Hornets find themselves in a tier with Detroit and Sacramento fighting for the 5th, 6th, and 7th spots in the draft lottery. Detroit has 26 wins, while New Orleans and Sacramento each have 27. Now that we have a little better idea of where we are going to end up, let’s take a look at what it all means.
    #1 Overall Pick

    The Fifth Spot gives you a 8.8% chance at the pick
    The Sixth Spot gives you a 6.3% chance at the pick.
    The Seventh Spot gives you a 4.3% chance at the pick
    Top 3 Pick

    The Fifth Spot gives you a 29.2% chance of landing a top three pick
    The Sixth Spot gives you a 21.5% chance of landing a top three pick
    The Seventh Spot gives you a 15% chance of landing a top three pick
    Falling in the Lotto

    The Fifth Spot has a 44.8% chance of falling at least one position in the draft
    The Sixth Spot has a 34.6% chance of falling at least one position in the draft
    The Seventh Spot has a 25% chance of falling at least one position in the draft
    What it All Means

    The fifth position is pretty interesting because teams stay in that slot just 26% percent of the time. They are more likely to either move up or down than stay where they are. The sixth and seventh positions are a little different. The most likely outcome in those cases is that the Hornets would stay where they are. In all scenarios, however, it is very unlikely that the Hornets would fall more than one spot if they were to fall. There is about the same chance of falling two slots as there is of winning the lotto in each situation.
    The fifth slot is the only slot out of the three that has a better than 50/50 chance of landing a top five pick (55.2%). This is significant because, as Ryan has pointed out on multiple occassions, a guy drafted in the top 5 is much more likely to be an ‘A’ or ‘B’ player than a guy taken 6-10. Also, from my perspective, there is a huge drop off after my top five prospects – Smart, Noel, Oladipo, Porter, and McLemore. I honestly have no idea who would be #6 for Dell after those guys and I have been tracking this all year. If you are in the 6th spot, you only have that same 21.5% chance of getting a top 5 pick, and the sixth slot has a 15% chance. That is where the huge difference lies in these three positions.
    Looking Ahead

    This will all come down to Wednesday night in my opinion when the Hornets go to Sacramento to play the Kings. Looking at the Kings schedule, it is hard to imagine them winning any game other than the Hornets one. New Orleans will be without Eric Gordon because it will be the second night of a back-to-back. Meanwhile, Detroit has a couple of easy games coming up, including Charlotte and Cleveland. They will also be playing a Nets team on the final night that will likely have nothing to play for and will be resting players. Bottom line, I expect the winner of the Hornets-Kings game to be in the 7th slot, the loser to be 5th. Big, big game.


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    Great post, I really hope we can grab the 5th spot and luck out and land the 3rd overall pick.

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    I'm not a tank friend, but that Sac game might be a big one. I wouldn't be mad if we dropped it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Haze View Post
    I'm not a tank friend, but that Sac game might be a big one. I wouldn't be mad if we dropped it.
    im with u, im for sitting gordon and davis and letting aminu, xavier, miller battle it out and see who is gonna be on the team next year.

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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    Monty I think is too much of a class act to pull a Bush league move like that.

    "I don't know if people know — I dislocated my pinkie finger. And [Tyreke] told me, 'You wanna go home or you wanna be here?' I want to be here. And he said, 'All right, then go tape it up and let's play. Let's go. We not stoppin' at no stores. Straight gas. That's what we do, just keep going.'"

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    Nothing busch league about playing players that have all seen time this year. X played a ton in the last game(s). Same with Miller in some games.

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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    Also, to add to my above post. If they don't have enough evaluation data on those guys to decide if they should be a part of the future plans by now, I don't think a few games starting will change that.

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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Haze View Post
    Nothing busch league about playing players that have all seen time this year. X played a ton in the last game(s). Same with Miller in some games.
    It's Busch to sit your starters for guys who have played all year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BallSoHard View Post
    It's Busch to sit your starters for guys who have played all year.
    Well I'm not really sure what guru meant about sitting Davis, he doesn't play the whole 40 anyway. I'd play Davis 30+, start Mason at 2 and Miller at 3 though.

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    i meant theres no reason to play davis, he had a good year, no reason to risk injury in a non play-off year, get him in the weight room, dont need to play GV, he still has good trade value and would hate to have him injured right before the end of the season, id really like to see x, miller and aminu get heavy minutes, 30+

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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    If I'm reading and assuming correctly (correct me if I'm wrong) he's saying to sit our best players so we will lose, mitigate injuries to our best players, and to evaluate talent.

    I think Davis and gordon need as much time on court together as possible. I think that risking an injury sucks, but you can't prevent everything, and I think the staff has enough data and film on all of our players and probably already has a good idea who will and won't make the roster next year based off the season.

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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    i meant theres no reason to play davis, he had a good year, no reason to risk injury in a non play-off year, get him in the weight room, dont need to play GV, he still has good trade value and would hate to have him injured right before the end of the season, id really like to see x, miller and aminu get heavy minutes, 30+
    But why ? X and miller probably won't ever be starters, so I'd rather evaluate them in limited minutes because that will be their role. Aminu probably should be a guy that comes of the bench as well.

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    i could see miller definetly developing into a starter one day

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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    I can't.

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    Miller's game is built to be a three and D 7th or 8th man off the bench type. Every team needs one.
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    5th, 6th, or 7th – What the Numbers Say About Where We Will Draft

    I'm not denying his value to a team, just saying he's not a starter in the league unless something goes terribly wrong for whatever team starts him.

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    This only matters if you honestly believe there is a "huge" drop off in talent after the first 5. I'd say the odds of that actually being true on this draft is nil. The ceiling aint high enough to begin with.

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    I want Alex Len
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    I like Len, i know a lot of people dont but I do, just not in the top 5, i wouldnt mind trading down at picking up len and giannis

    len has great size, length, instincts, defense and offense, think he will be a very good player.

    len and giannis along with rivers and davis would give us a huge, long team.

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    Doesn't matter, As Monty said "Our goal always is to win games" but at this point in the season it's as much about evaluating talent as anything. Guy's that don't normally get quality minutes will find themselves in positions to play key minutes, and it isn't necessarily a plan to lose. Everyone understands that if they lose they have a better chance at a top 3 pick, but i'd bet dollars to doughnuts that fans are the only ones thinking tank.

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    Sorry but anytime you get the chance to potentially eliminate the Lakers out of the playoffs you go full throttle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    I like Len, i know a lot of people dont but I do, just not in the top 5, i wouldnt mind trading down at picking up len and giannis

    len has great size, length, instincts, defense and offense, think he will be a very good player.

    len and giannis along with rivers and davis would give us a huge, long team.
    I was kidding. Absolutely hate the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    I like Len, i know a lot of people dont but I do, just not in the top 5, i wouldnt mind trading down at picking up len and giannis

    len has great size, length, instincts, defense and offense, think he will be a very good player.

    len and giannis along with rivers and davis would give us a huge, long team.
    Who are you going to trade down with that allows you to get both? I do not see many scenarios that would fit the bill unless one or both of the players falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLa. View Post
    Sorry but anytime you get the chance to potentially eliminate the Lakers out of the playoffs you go full throttle.
    thats what i like to hear!!

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    Well, if it means anything the ESPN lotto machine is NOT a fan of us taking Bazz at all. Always either Dipo or Burke at 6-8.

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