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  1. #301
    Gordon's jumper is non-existent right now.

  2. #302
    Also do yall know tyreke evans is havign a rediculous season
    15.5ppg-4.5rpg-4apg while shooting an incredible 48% from the field and 33% from 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    Does PER take into account defense?
    Per is the dumbest stat out there today. Bottom line.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Kibner View Post
    No stat publicly available does. On an individual level, anyway.
    thanks

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by kclaboy504 View Post
    Per is the dumbest stat out there today. Bottom line.
    It is useful when trying to get an idea of how productive a player generally is using box-score stats. Typically, good offensive players that play similar minutes end up with a high PER. If you have a low PER, you are not an effective offensive threat. If you have a high PER while playing a significant number of minutes, you are probably a fine offensive player.

    Using it as anything more than that would be a mistake, imo.

  6. #306
    darius miller is an assassin, hope he gets a lot of practice this offseason and gets way more minutes next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibner View Post
    Doesn't seem to help him run a more efficient offense.

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    I'm not blind stat guy. If I want a stat it's supporting what I've seen with my own eyes, not the other way around.

    All I can say is, between Gravvy and Jennings, I know who I'd rather with the ball in his hands when its time to win games late.

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Kibner View Post
    It is useful when trying to get an idea of how productive a player generally is using box-score stats. Typically, good offensive players that play similar minutes end up with a high PER. If you have a low PER, you are not an effective offensive threat. If you have a high PER while playing a significant number of minutes, you are probably a fine offensive player.

    Using it as anything more than that would be a mistake, imo.
    sounds exactly like GV, he is in fact a good offensive player with his points rebounds and assists, but if it would take into fact his D the scale would tip, i'll take jeff teague every day of the week over GV, he's a better scorer and defender, and quicker

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Eman5805 View Post
    I'm not blind stat guy. If I want a stat it's supporting what I've seen with my own eyes, not the other way around.

    All I can say is, between Gravvy and Jennings, I know who I'd rather with the ball in his hands when its time to win games late.
    How do u feel about jeff teague?

  10. #310
    also guys jennings is just 23, cut him some slack

  11. #311
    Hornicans 88 - 98 Warriors Final

    4th qtr scoring: NOH 18 - 24 GSW
    "The pelican is fearsome. Take a raven, for example: it's omnivorous. It eats bugs, and seeds, and fruit, and carrion. Compared to the well-rounded citizen that is the raven, the pelican is the serial killer of birds." - Barry Petchesky, Deadspin

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    thanks
    PER does take into account blocks and steals, but eh. Nothing even close to a useful measure of defense.

    The most effective way to measure defense for a player with the stats available to the public is to analyze all the lineups the player played in and against and see how they did versus other lineups tried with and against those same lineups. And even then, you can only (partially) determine the impact of a single player on a single team. Can't really do it to compare players on other teams against each other.

    Someone with lots of blocks and steals is probably a good defensive player, but they could still be bad since they gamble a lot. Someone with few blocks and steals is probably a poor defensive player, but could still be a good one if they force their opponent into taking poor shots and making poor passes.

    Defensive stats are a crapshoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornetGuru View Post
    How do u feel about jeff teague?
    Next to nothing. I haven't seen enough of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eman5805 View Post
    Next to nothing. I haven't seen enough of him.
    He's an average point, IMO. Just like everyone this board is trying to trade GV for. :shrug: He would probably be a better fit for this team than Jennings or Greivis, though. He resorts to hero ball less often and is a fine defender while still being someone you have to guard on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kclaboy504 View Post
    Per is the dumbest stat out there today. Bottom line.
    Yet, advanced metrics are thrown around here as the end all be all.
    If you Jimmer it, they will come.

  16. #316
    i think stats overall are dumb, u have to evaluate a player by who's around him and what he does by watching him honestly, I trust demps to make the right choices.

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    Statistics together aren't dumb, it's just each different types of statistics tells a different story. The eye test is very important, but statistics are suppose to back up what you see. If you can't, people call it potential.

  18. #318
    There's no overall rating stat. You need to use stats and learn to interpret them to get the answer.

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    If you really know what you're watching most of the time the advanced stats back up what your eyes see.

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    Re: Gameday Thead: Hornets @ Warriors

    Quote Originally Posted by AD23forMVP View Post
    If you really know what you're watching most of the time the advanced stats back up what your eyes see.
    Or challenge common conceptions and encourage you to think about them in a different way to see if they still hold true.

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