[S5] Weeks 9-10 Results

**IamQuailman** · 03-01-2013, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Only I can see them, but it's always been an open sort of deal. Anyone can PM me and I'll let them know anything they want.

Maybe if I have some free time (maybe Sunday) I can make a bunch of pictures of teams ratings.

Yeah, that'd be great. I've been wondering about Davis vs. McKie... don't really wanna change anything now lol

**TrayWithAnA** · 03-01-2013, 10:35 PM

I'm selling Cassell ASAP. PM me.

**BallSoHard** · 03-01-2013, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Only I can see them, but it's always been an open sort of deal. Anyone can PM me and I'll let them know anything they want.

Maybe if I have some free time (maybe Sunday) I can make a bunch of pictures of teams ratings.

Has anyone even known about this? Who's requested this before ? I'm a little baffled right now by this whole situation.

**Pelicans78** · 03-01-2013, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Honestly I thought about doing something like Iverson-Richardson-Artest-Dirk-Bradley.

That's not a bad thought other than AI's ball-handling. C+ worries me. He would have to increase the pace to fast with him as the PG.

**Pelicans78** · 03-01-2013, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by IamQuailman

Yeah, that'd be great. I've been wondering about Davis vs. McKie... don't really wanna change anything now lol

Why is that? Lol

**Soundwave** · 03-01-2013, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Has anyone even known about this? Who's requested this before ? I'm a little baffled right now by this whole situation.

I've used it when trying to decide who to train.

**AD23forMVP** · 03-01-2013, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Has anyone even known about this? Who's requested this before ? I'm a little baffled right now by this whole situation.

I don't know names off the top of my head but quite a few people have asked me for specific ratings.

**bojangles837** · 03-01-2013, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I don't know names off the top of my head but quite a few people have asked me for specific ratings.

I always ask for ratings. But honestly AD, I bet over half the League didn't know you could do it.

**BallSoHard** · 03-01-2013, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Think about it. Your two biggest stars are Dirk and Iverson. If we're talking about Dirk:

Dirk has a good outside game, but for a PF he is what? Probably average inside? According to the program there are 17 PF's with a better inside game than Dirk. At C you have Ben Wallace and Shawn Bradley, both poor inside offensive players. Bryant Reeves is actually the 18th best inside C in the program with a 65 overall, but he doesn't play. And I'm not saying he should, but it's just a thought. So you have a PF who is only average, and two C's who are well below average. Your inside game needs improvement.

B+ is average for his position? I don't get to see all of those stats at all. So all I see is his inside game is slightly worse than his outside game.

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Defensively, Dirk is the 38th rated PF at 67 overall. This may not be bad though, because Bradley and Wallace are the 12th and 13th rated C's at 85 and 83 overall. Reeves is so far down the list I won't even bother to count.

So what do you go with? Do you start Wallace or Bradley with Dirk and have a below average inside game and hope that one of those guys can make up for Dirks defense? Or do you start Reeves in hope that he can give you some added inside scoring, but at the cost of defense? You tried Harrington at C this past sim, and he's simply not a C.

Again, don't get to see these stats, all i see is A- and A-.

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

And then you have your wings. I don't like Iverson at SG. Just way way way to undersized. I think Richardson may be out of place. I think Donyell Marshall is definitely out of place. Jason Williams might be good offensively for you but he's not a good defender.

Iverson is going into the hall of fame as a 2. Jason Williams has an A- in Defense, how can I know he's a bad defender besides the A-? How can I work with numbers I don't have? trust me I appreciate the advice, but had i had these numbers before i could have built my team drastically different.

**Soundwave** · 03-01-2013, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Pelicans78

That's not a bad thought other than AI's ball-handling. C+ worries me. He would have to increase the pace to fast with him as the PG.

He should be playing faster anyway. With all that talent, there is no reason to limit possessions.

**Pelicans78** · 03-01-2013, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I don't know names off the top of my head but quite a few people have asked me for specific ratings.

How would you assess my time?

Honestly, I think it's a fools gold right now. I don't buy 2nd in the west and top 5 overall. A lot of home games, 18-3 against below .500 teams and 4-10 against above .500 teams. A lot of guys with efficient stats but they disappear against good teams.

**TrayWithAnA** · 03-01-2013, 10:53 PM

It seems like there is another layer to the stats that not many people knew were there. If letter grades are all we get, how are we to know which of the exact same ratings is worth a higher numerical value?

**DarthVegito** · 03-01-2013, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by bojangles837

I always ask for ratings. But honestly AD, I bet over half the League didn't know you could do it.

Yeah I had no idea there were other ratings and numbers we could use to build our team. I mean that's a pretty big advantage for some to have and others who don't know about not to have. The "Letter" ratings are so vague. Actual hard numbers would definitely help.

**BallSoHard** · 03-01-2013, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Soundwave

He should be playing faster anyway. With all that talent, there is no reason to limit possessions.

Not really according to the basketball principles i know. You run a faster pace with a lot of scorers. I have 2 scorers hence why i want them to take the lion's share of the shots. Faster pace and get Wallace, J Will, and Marshall more shots? I dunno, doesnt seem to be a good gameplan imo.

**bojangles837** · 03-01-2013, 10:55 PM

What game plan would y'all use with my players?

**BallSoHard** · 03-01-2013, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I don't know names off the top of my head but quite a few people have asked me for specific ratings.

I guess I don't understand the thought of operating on a GM by GM system? I know this takes a ton of time and i appreciate you running this essentially for free, but don't you think the playing field is uneven operating like this?
The 2 people Admitted they've asked for them and you:
Hornets 2nd most wins all time
76ers 3rd most wins all time
Raptors 5th best team overall

Did the Celtics and Grizz get these ratings too to round out the top 5?

**AD23forMVP** · 03-01-2013, 10:58 PM

There are 28 GM's in this league who have every opportunity to ask to see certain ratings. I say that multiple times every season and every offseason probably, especially around the All-Star break and before the official start to the season. Some of those 28 GM's take advantage, some don't.

**Pelicans78** · 03-01-2013, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Not really according to the basketball principles i know. You run a faster pace with a lot of scorers. I have 2 scorers hence why i want them to take the lion's share of the shots. Faster pace and get Wallace, J Will, and Marshall more shots? I dunno, doesnt seem to be a good gameplan imo.

I always base pace on the team's ball-handling.

**bojangles837** · 03-01-2013, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I guess I don't understand the thought of operating on a GM by GM system? I know this takes a ton of time and i appreciate you running this essentially for free, but don't you think the playing field is uneven operating like this?
The 2 people Admitted they've asked for them and you:
Hornets 2nd most wins all time
76ers 3rd most wins all time
Raptors 5th best team overall

Did the Celtics and Grizz get these ratings too to round out the top 5?

To clear things up balls, I never asked him for my full teams ratings to set my roster. I only asked AD to compare player traits to see what I would rather train. Like Chauncey's drive vs. perimeter defense was like 45 to 61 so I trained his drive defense.

**BallSoHard** · 03-01-2013, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

There are 28 GM's in this league who have every opportunity to ask to see certain ratings. I say that multiple times every season and every offseason probably, especially around the All-Star break and before the official start to the season. Some of those 28 GM's take advantage, some don't.

Yeah but do the Celts and Grizz GM "take advantage as well?

Originally Posted by bojangles837

To clear things up balls, I never asked him for my full teams ratings to set my roster. I only asked AD to compare player traits to see what I would rather train. Like Chauncey's drive vs. perimeter defense was like 45 to 61 so I trained his drive defense.

I'm not blaming anyone here. I just want a level playing field.

**TrayWithAnA** · 03-01-2013, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by bojangles837

To clear things up balls, I never asked him for my full teams ratings to set my roster. I only asked AD to compare player traits to see what I would rather train. Like Chauncey's drive vs. perimeter defense was like 45 to 61 so I trained his drive defense.

I think that's kind of the point though. Has this sort of service been offered somewhere on the boards? With all our by laws and detailed rules, has it ever been stated that numerical values ever existed? Good for those who stumbled upon it, but five seasons in and we are just now having a discussion about it. I dunno guys.

**AD23forMVP** · 03-01-2013, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yeah but do the Celts and Grizz GM "take advantage as well?

Celtics yes, don't remember about the Grizz.

I'm not blaming anyone here. I just want a level playing field.

Originally Posted by TrayWithAnA

I think that's kind of the point though. Has this sort of service been offered somewhere on the boards? With all our by laws and detailed rules, has it ever been stated that numerical values ever existed? Good for those who stumbled upon it, but five seasons in and we are just now having a discussion about it. I dunno guys.

Probably over a million times lol

**bojangles837** · 03-01-2013, 11:07 PM

I can clearly remember 3 circumstances where AD talked about it and 1 other time where sound wave talked about it, but I agree that it should be posted somewhere where everyone can see it.

**BallSoHard** · 03-01-2013, 11:08 PM

I knew they existed, i just didn't know they were readily open to be asked.

If I knew that the Letter grades weren't reflective of their actual rating, I would have built the team different. How am i supposed to know that Dirk has a terrible inside game with a B+ and Williams a bad defender with a A-? How could i possibly know that?

**AD23forMVP** · 03-01-2013, 11:11 PM

I openly discussed the fact that the handle rating are made up of handling, quickness, and passing ratings probably not even a week ago.

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