How do we reach the next level ?

[As I See It]

Good Bye, Will.....

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/pelicans...g-will-magnay/

[As I See It]

Good Bye, Will.....

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/pelicans...g-will-magnay/

Nunnally is a three point specialist. This is an indication we are really trying to make the playoffs. Sorry 'Tank Fans'!!

[PELICANSFAN]

Nunnally is a three point specialist. This is an indication we are really trying to make the playoffs. Sorry 'Tank Fans'!!

He's 30 years old and a career 32% 3pt shooter on only 50 career attempts. He is far from a specialist.

[As I See It]

He's 30 years old and a career 32% 3pt shooter on only 50 career attempts. He is far from a specialist.

In the NBA... But over the last three years in Europe he shot .490 (and shot almost .900 from the line). Maybe he'll translate as good as Melli did, huh?

[PELICANSFAN]

In the NBA... But over the last three years in Europe he shot .490 (and shot almost .900 from the line). Maybe he'll translate as good as Melli did, huh?

LOL

[6warddude]

He's 30 years old and a career 32% 3pt shooter on only 50 career attempts. He is far from a specialist.

let us not forget miller....he went over seas and lit it up from the 3pt then came back to us and was still lighting it up from 3......this may be a cheap JJ we can get for 2 years....

man, we got to try something...

[As I See It]

Call me homer if you must, but I would prefer JAXSON over every player named in this article except one.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2021/04/12...nto-nba-stars/

[BigChris504]

Call me homer if you must, but I would prefer JAXSON over every player named in this article except one.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2021/04/12...nto-nba-stars/

I Would've at least had Jaxson written in this article over RJ Hampton.

[fullcourtpress]

There is a reason why young teams do not win championships.


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true true


Those saying Van Gundy is the problem........ are nuts.


He's teaching those boys basketball. It usually cant be done within a year.. in general young dudes suck at team defense


When people compliment a team for being "well coached" it usually has nothing much to do about their current coach and everything to do with the coaches that have taught them and held them accountable throughout their time learning baskebtall

[Erose]

true true


Those saying Van Gundy is the problem........ are nuts.


He's teaching those boys basketball. It usually cant be done within a year.. in general young dudes suck at team defense


When people compliment a team for being "well coached" it usually has nothing much to do about their current coach and everything to do with the coaches that have taught them and held them accountable throughout their time learning baskebtall

I?m going to hold judgement of SVG as a coach until after he has a offseason and a full training camp and a regular non-COVID season with this team.

Right now my only true issue with the coach is that he doesn?t seem to know when to call timeouts. Last night in the Sacramento game, when Sac was making a run against his team, no timeout. What the hell.


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[luckyman]

I?m going to hold judgement of SVG as a coach until after he has a offseason and a full training camp and a regular non-COVID season with this team.

Right now my only true issue with the coach is that he doesn?t seem to know when to call timeouts. Last night in the Sacramento game, when Sac was making a run against his team, no timeout. What the hell.


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Bigger problems are the walking the ball up the floor especially with Kira in the game, is inexcusable.

As much as he gets on the team for lack of defense, he doesn't seem to help them. Meaning they never seem to play offensive defense. Always reactionary. Far too often a player like Fox gets cooking, and the team just keep playing these people straight up. No doubles, no traps, no pressure like BI and Zion see constantly.

And when he does do those things, again it's at obvious reactionary times. Never randomly throughout the game to catch the opposition off guard. Unlike when teams come out of a timeout in the 2nd quarter trapping Zion and BI.

My only two issues with SVG.

[PELICANSFAN]

I Would've at least had Jaxson written in this article over RJ Hampton.

Agree. Also, THT is so overrated because he plays on the Lakers.

[Freyfamilyreuni]

Would you?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dnt-see-coming

I'd be tempted.

[PolishFan]

Bigger problems are the walking the ball up the floor especially with Kira in the game, is inexcusable.

As much as he gets on the team for lack of defense, he doesn't seem to help them. Meaning they never seem to play offensive defense. Always reactionary. Far too often a player like Fox gets cooking, and the team just keep playing these people straight up. No doubles, no traps, no pressure like BI and Zion see constantly.

And when he does do those things, again it's at obvious reactionary times. Never randomly throughout the game to catch the opposition off guard. Unlike when teams come out of a timeout in the 2nd quarter trapping Zion and BI.

My only two issues with SVG.

I completely agree with this.

[As I See It]

Bigger problems are the walking the ball up the floor especially with Kira in the game, is inexcusable.

As much as he gets on the team for lack of defense, he doesn't seem to help them. Meaning they never seem to play offensive defense. Always reactionary. Far too often a player like Fox gets cooking, and the team just keep playing these people straight up. No doubles, no traps, no pressure like BI and Zion see constantly.

And when he does do those things, again it's at obvious reactionary times. Never randomly throughout the game to catch the opposition off guard. Unlike when teams come out of a timeout in the 2nd quarter trapping Zion and BI.

My only two issues with SVG.

That's a by-product of "Point Zion". Then when he makes the initial pass and settles in the blocks for a return pass, the shot clock is already at four or five or, if he is denied, the ball is stuck out 25 feet from the basket in the hands of one of our many "non-shooters". In either case, the result is a "Chinese Fire Drill", or a hope and a prayer (can anyone forget the Bledsoe double clutch in front of the basket last night in crunch time or BI's desperation Air Ball from the corner?).

Bottom line, "Point Zion" is a gimmick that should be used sparingly. Truth is, "Point Brandon" is much more efficient, and even that should be used sparingly. Zion is a finisher...not an initiator. But the basis of this team is:

ALL ZION...ALL THE TIME!!!

...and that not basketball.

[Freyfamilyreuni]

That's a by-product of "Point Zion". Then when he makes the initial pass and settles in the blocks for a return pass, the shot clock is already at four or five or, if he is denied, the ball is stuck out 25 feet from the basket in the hands of one of our many "non-shooters". In either case, the result is a "Chinese Fire Drill" or a hope and a prayer (can anyone forget the Bledsoe double clutch in front of the basket last night?).

Bottom line, "Point Zion" is a gimmick that should be used sparingly. Truth is, "Point Brandon" is much more efficient, and even that should be used sparingly. Zion is a finisher...not an initiator. But the basis of this team is:

ALL ZION...ALL THE TIME!!!

...and that not basketball.

Yet our offensive efficiency skyrocketed when we started Point Zion. Your Zion hate is really puzzling. I can imagine if you were a Bulls fan back in the late 80’s. “The problem is that we let our shooting guard take way too many shots, even shots in the paint. This is a big man league we need to keep getting the ball down low to Bill Cartwright”

[As I See It]

Yet our offensive efficiency skyrocketed when we started Point Zion. Your Zion hate is really puzzling. I can imagine if you were a Bulls fan back in the late 80’s. “The problem is that we let our shooting guard take way too many shots, even shots in the paint. This is a big man league we need to keep getting the ball down low to Bill Cartwright”

I don't hate him; he's amazing. He will go down as the best of his generation.

He's simply incapable of doing it all (as he is being asked to do). You do realize that BI has about 50 more dimes then Zion does this year, don't you? But Brandon is accused of too much ISO Ball and Zion is lauded for the same, even though he leads the league in having his shot blocked by a large margin. "Fans" "oooh" and "aaah" over the "poster dunks" and uncanny body control, and kind of turn a blind eye to his many foibles (yes, he's the worst defender in the starting five).

Bottom Line: If you are inferring that I am more of a Pelicans Fan than a Zion Fan? Guilty as Charged!!! But, that doesn't make me a "Zion Hater".

[Freyfamilyreuni]

I don't hate him; he's amazing. He will go down as the best of his generation.

He's simply incapable of doing it all (as he is being asked to do). You do realize that BI has about 50 more dimes then Zion does this year, don't you? But Brandon is accused of too much ISO Ball and Zion is lauded for the same, even though he leads the league in having his shot blocked by a large margin.

Bottom Line: If you are inferring that I am more of a Pelicans Fan than a Zion Fan? Guilty of Charged!!! But, that doesn't make me a "Zion Hater".

I actually opened myself up a bit in my post. Because Phil Jackson did start to limit Jordan’s possessions a little bit in his triangle offense, and did get the ball to a post up center more. I was wondering if you would pick up on it.

But back to the main point. I’m not sure that I agree with your basic premise. Zion is pretty comfortable in the point-Zion role. It also prohibits one of our team’s biggest issues in the beginning of the season, in that there were too many possessions where Zion never touched the ball.

The problem with BI ISO when Zion is in the game, is that on too many possessions Zion just stands in the corner. Zion ISO is 1. More efficient because no matter how many times Zion’s shots are blocked his shooting percentage is still much higher than BI. He scores at a phenomenal rate in ISO situations. BI’s efficiency is much less. 2. BI’s skill set allows him to play off Zion better than Zion does playing off of BI. BI is a much better shooter, especially as a spot up shooter.

Now I get it that BI is still a little uncomfortable in this role. But in my opinion, he needs to change his mindset a bit and start to defer to Zion. Zion is simply much more efficient in scoring the basket.

And while BI is a good playmaker, so is Zion. It’s just that Zion doesn’t need to pass as much as BI. My guess is that BI’s turnovers are a lot higher than Zion’s as well.

In an ideal world we should start seeing a lot more two man sets between the two as they get more comfortable playing with each other.

[Pelicanidae]

And while BI is a good playmaker, so is Zion. It’s just that Zion doesn’t need to pass as much as BI. My guess is that BI’s turnovers are a lot higher than Zion’s as well.

Zion and Ingram have very similar turnover and assist percentages.

Zion: 19.6%AST, 11.0%TOV
Ingram: 22.0% AST, 11.0% TOV

Of course, these don't tell the whole story because these are season long stats and Zion's on-ball role didn't really start up until around February, but suffice it to say they're both similar in terms of AST/TO ratio right now.

Just adding that in to clear things up.

[As I See It]

I view the responsibility of the point differently to you. You are hell-bent, to get the ball in Zion's hands; "Point Zion" certainly accomplishes this end.

I see the point as the initiator of the offense (assuming you have one). By my definition the main purpose of the point is to distribute the ball. You infer that "Point Zion" doesn't need to pass the ball. So we are at odds.

When the ball is in Zion's hands at the top of the key, he is not a threat in crunch time. The defense builds a wall inside, forces him to give it up (see last night), and by time he re-positions himself, the clock is in the red. In my mind, lowly Sacramento, the worst defense in the NBA, masterfully exposed the weaknesses in the "Point Zion" by putting us in scramble mode possession after possession in crunch time last night.

Again, Zion is great; he's not God.

[luckyman]

I actually opened myself up a bit in my post. Because Phil Jackson did start to limit Jordan’s possessions a little bit in his triangle offense, and did get the ball to a post up center more. I was wondering if you would pick up on it.

But back to the main point. I’m not sure that I agree with your basic premise. Zion is pretty comfortable in the point-Zion role. It also prohibits one of our team’s biggest issues in the beginning of the season, in that there were too many possessions where Zion never touched the ball.

The problem with BI ISO when Zion is in the game, is that on too many possessions Zion just stands in the corner. Zion ISO is 1. More efficient because no matter how many times Zion’s shots are blocked his shooting percentage is still much higher than BI. He scores at a phenomenal rate in ISO situations. BI’s efficiency is much less. 2. BI’s skill set allows him to play off Zion better than Zion does playing off of BI. BI is a much better shooter, especially as a spot up shooter.

Now I get it that BI is still a little uncomfortable in this role. But in my opinion, he needs to change his mindset a bit and start to defer to Zion. Zion is simply much more efficient in scoring the basket.

And while BI is a good playmaker, so is Zion. It’s just that Zion doesn’t need to pass as much as BI. My guess is that BI’s turnovers are a lot higher than Zion’s as well.

In an ideal world we should start seeing a lot more two man sets between the two as they get more comfortable playing with each other.

BI's ast % is 21.8% (2nd highest on the team) and his ast/to ratio is 1.91. Zion's is 18.5% and 1.44. BI's turnover ratio in 9.2 and Zion's is 9.6. So your guess would be wrong.

BI does not need to change his mindset. That defeats the entire purpose of having 2 all stars. You make it easier for the opposition by trying to put the weight of the team on one player that can only score within 5 ft of the rim.

Makes even less sense when these negative clutch issues for BI have been gone for at least 2 months now.

Neither of them should be deferring to the other. You use both because you need both. If BI defers to Zion when things got tight last night, there is a good chance they lose that game. When one team commits to shutting down one, it's nice to have another very capable player you can go to. Keep doing that.

[luckyman]

Also, as far as deferring, BI is putting up those numbers on a slightly lower usage rate than Zion and most of his wing peers.

[Pelicanidae]

I wonder what numbers are actually important to some people. The offense has been, inarguably, better since Zion took on more responsibilities as a ballhandler. The team's success has gone up, his assist rate has gone up, the team's efficiency has gone up, and the team's record with both Ingram and Zion healthy but with Zion getting his current rate of offense is 9-3, which is well above the standard win rate of the season. Yes, part of that is due to the team's we've played and circumstance, but it's something to be taken into account.

Further, as Zion's usg% in the clutch has increased, the team's clutch time ORTg has gone up as well; these are not difficult numbers to find.

So why is it that some people are so utterly opposed to the idea of Zion being Point Zion when it's clearly benefiting the team overall and is, generally, resulting in more wins as well?

Of course you need to give Ingram time with the ball in his hands, he's an on-ball threat and he's proved himself to be very good at creating offense for himself and for others. He's earned those minutes and those responsibilities and he's also getting them, he runs the offense a lot when he's on the floor in general and splits it about 50/50 with Zion when they're both on the floor; then Zion generally gets ballhandler run with the bench unit (the Kira-Jax-Zion bench trio annihilates other bench units, by the way), what's wrong with that? Where's the issue?

Am I misunderstanding the conversation?

[Erose]

Bigger problems are the walking the ball up the floor especially with Kira in the game, is inexcusable.

As much as he gets on the team for lack of defense, he doesn't seem to help them. Meaning they never seem to play offensive defense. Always reactionary. Far too often a player like Fox gets cooking, and the team just keep playing these people straight up. No doubles, no traps, no pressure like BI and Zion see constantly.

And when he does do those things, again it's at obvious reactionary times. Never randomly throughout the game to catch the opposition off guard. Unlike when teams come out of a timeout in the 2nd quarter trapping Zion and BI.

My only two issues with SVG.

I think the issue last night of walking the ball up had as much to do with fatigue than anything else. Even though Zion scored 30, you could tell in the second half he was tired. His missed free throws were all short.

Concerning the defense, again I want to see them after an off season. I do think it is harder to ingrain the up and coming kids on the importance of defense. They just aren?t taught to play it any more. Offense is king and defense don?t get you drafted.


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[As I See It]

I wonder what numbers are actually important to some people. The offense has been, inarguably, better since Zion took on more responsibilities as a ballhandler. The team's success has gone up, his assist rate has gone up, the team's efficiency has gone up, and the team's record with both Ingram and Zion healthy but with Zion getting his current rate of offense is 9-3, which is well above the standard win rate of the season. Yes, part of that is due to the team's we've played and circumstance, but it's something to be taken into account.

Further, as Zion's usg% in the clutch has increased, the team's clutch time ORTg has gone up as well; these are not difficult numbers to find.

So why is it that some people are so utterly opposed to the idea of Zion being Point Zion when it's clearly benefiting the team overall and is, generally, resulting in more wins as well?

Of course you need to give Ingram time with the ball in his hands, he's an on-ball threat and he's proved himself to be very good at creating offense for himself and for others. He's earned those minutes and those responsibilities and he's also getting them, he runs the offense a lot when he's on the floor in general and splits it about 50/50 with Zion when they're both on the floor; then Zion generally gets ballhandler run with the bench unit (the Kira-Jax-Zion bench trio annihilates other bench units, by the way), what's wrong with that? Where's the issue?

Am I misunderstanding the conversation?

You are.