If we're still a lottery team in 5 years then Griffin failed and we have bigger problems than the swap rights.Originally Posted by tacosman
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If we're still a lottery team in 5 years then Griffin failed and we have bigger problems than the swap rights.
Basketball.
We got three 1st round picks
This is an odd hill you are choosing to die on. AD just went to LA in a trade that essentially worked like FA. He picked his team and bullied every other team out of trade talks. KD was rumored to be building a superteam in NY.
You would have to argue that NY and LAL are competently run and viable franchises so support your claim....
Good positive energy.
But also, yo mama's fat.
And what I'm saying is that stars do NOT *migrate* to them.
They acquire stars in trades, which means giving up assets. Which is why the history of the Lakers franchise isn't one of constantly being good due to just attracting stars like magnets, but instead is the history of 5 year patches of competitiveness interspersed with 5 to 10 year stretches of abject misery, until they've acquired enough garbage assets to trade for a star, because they don't just get stars, they almost only ever trade for them.
I totally agree when you say ''they don't draft their superstars''. I'm just adding: they don't sign them either. They trade for them, in almost every case. Kareem, Gasol, AD, Dwight, all trades. They draft a superstar once every 20 years, it seems, and sign one at roughly the same rate.
I trust in them to be crap in 3 or 4 years because they have a history of being crap again every couple of years, cause free agents don't go there.
LAL was a competently run and viable franchise for decades and decades, not sure what your point is there.
Maybe it was a ruse until he acquired enough 1st round draft picks to make the deal complete. Essentially he traded Kuzma back to the Lakers for 3-5 1st rounders (I can't figure out how many but it was a lot).
You know, one thing I hate about the NBA is that when trades happen they
A) Take 40 million years to actually happen
and
B) Never actually tell us what the trade IS until like, ten hours after they announced the trade has occurred.
Please just tell us what the trade is. Obviously you know, Griff and co. because you made the trade and agreed to it.
I hope both the other 1st round picks are unprotected especially the 2021 pick considering that could be the best draft class in years. Hopefully the 2023 draft is the first with straight from high school kids allowed to enter it again. That draft will be deep just due to the “double draft” effect. I saw it listed as 2021, then recently at 2022, but hopefully it ends up being 2023 since we should have 2 picks in that year. LeBron will be turning 38 in 2022, so that pick may have a shot to be damn good if he’s even on the team by then.
I didn’t think we had a shot at 3 first round picks, so I’m liking this trade more now. Griffin wanted an All Star, a potential All Star, & 2 first rounders. Well since we didn’t get the All Star, we got 3 picks instead.
Brandon Ingram will average 20 ppg IMO. I hope he and Zion already know each other since they went to Duke. I think Lonzo Ball has the chance to average a triple double due to his height from the point guard position and the players around him to get buckets. Right now we have an UCLA backcourt with 3 Dukies at the forward & center position with Okafor our best guy at the 5 for now.
I think we will without a doubt trade the 4th pick. We have already been talking to teams about it before the trade went down. We likely had already pretty much agreed to it days ago, but were trying to get a vet with that 4th pick. I hope we can get a good young center with it. There is really only 2 centers worth a max deal in Vucevic & Cousins in free agency. I’d love to bring back Cousins if the team thinks he would be a good fit, but he will likely go join two other max free agents. Vucevic will likely stay in Orlando unless they are gonna roll with Mo Bamba, but I doubt it.
If we can’t get a good young center in a trade hopefully we can trade back with Chicago or Atlanta. Atlanta would be my preferred spot since we would likely end up with 3 top 10 picks. Then hopefully we can land Jaxson Hayes, but I would love to see Reddish & Hachimura or that French cat Debouyoumba or whatever his name is picked there. But with Chicago we could likely get whoever the Cavs don’t take out of Hunter or Culver. I would take either of them and have a hard time picking the one I would want there. I heard on sports radio the other day that Coby White has a guarantee in the top 6. So that would be either the Cavs, Suns, or Lakers pre-trade. So unless Garland makes it to 7, Hunter or Culver should be there. I would take Garland as well cause he might just be the 4th best player in the draft. I think Cam Reddish is right up there with Hunter & Culver, so I would be fine with him at 7 much less 8.
Unless we are really high on either Hunter or Culver, we should definitely trade the pick. We need to make that pick into 2 players or one potential star already in the league. We turned the 2013 6th pick into a one time All Star, Jrue Holiday. So hopefully we can do it again in this draft with a top 5 pick.
Last edited by DaPelFromHell; 06-15-2019 at 09:43 PM.
Windhorst on the hoop collective said he's heard there's a deferment one of the picks.
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 16, 2019
I can confirm I have heard the same. And let me tell ya, it's one of the far out picks.
I have no idea what this means.
Dude.
You totally talked about slapping me over a misunderstood semantic issue?
Last edited by msusousaphone; 06-15-2019 at 09:22 PM.
I literally just asked him what it means
You would think that they do, but it doesn't seem to have materialised into anything, at least for a very long time.
It means if the Pels don't like where the that pick lands, they can choose to push it to the next year. Basically a re-roll.
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) June 16, 2019
So basically, just assuming a random year, if the Pels don't like the pick LA gets in 2025, they can just say ''nah, we'll take your 2026 instead''.
Holy hell.
Information specialists up in here.
Desperately hunting to find out what the ACTUAL TRADE IS.
The Lakers literally gave up everything for AD. AD didn't bully anyone. The Lakers sold their entire future draft for the next 7 years to get him. That's not what bullying is. Lol
Reading back through less distracted, I think we have the exact same premise. Just a miscommunication over wording used. Back to agreeing on things.
Yes.
The WORST thing about this for my emotions is the unfinished feel. And I bet the next moves come along waaaaay later.
Whatever is best for the franchise. But bad for my nerves.
Hey that’s what I said!
Not unless you were the person who started the rumour that stars all run to LA in free agency. Cause that's what I said. Whoever started that rumour.
Lol is MM waiting to tell us to build suspense?
That was the miscommunication, my man.
I said "flocking their like moths to a flame". You inserted FA. I never said the method of which they go there.
Just saw the news. My initial reaction was that I was never in love with the Celtics assets. I think they are good players, but not world changers. I always feared that Danny Ainge wouldn't do a deal for Tatum anyway if Kyrie was leaving. Having him gone may actually be addition by subtraction for the C's. Durant going down essentially took the Knicks out of the equation IMO. My question is could we have gotten more from the Lakers if we did the deal before the deadline?
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