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Kawhi is gonna end up doing the smart thing and resigning with the Raptors. They have a much better team surrounding him and he would be the king of the city where he’s just another celebrity in LA.
C: Gasol
PF: Siakam, Ibaka
SF: Kawhi, Anunoby
SG: Green(probably resigns with Kawhi)
PG: Lowry, VanVleet
or
C: AD
PF: Kuzma, Dudley
SF: Kawhi, Horton-Tucker
SG: Daniels
PG: Lebron
Looks pretty easy to tell which team is the better team
Last edited by DaPelFromHell; 07-04-2019 at 09:09 PM.
Dont kid yourself, LA is the better team. He would be joking 2 future HOF'ers, and arguably one the best player of all time. That being said I hope he stays in Toronto.
I still like Utah coming out of the West, but if the Clippers land Kawhi they are the same team as last year with the best player in the league, and while the Jazz have several players better than what the clippers currently have, they won’t have a Kawhi, and that is a major difference maker.
If you Jimmer it, they will come.
Only if the Lakers don't try and leverage their ''you aren't going to get a better offer for AD'' thing to try and push back the deadline for the rest of us.Originally Posted by Mythrol
If they successfully do that, then our Favors trade falls apart.
Basketball.
I don't agree with that at all.
He'd be joining 2 future HOF'ers, sure, but one of them is AD. As we've seen, AD being on your team is absolutely no guarantee of playoff runs or playoff success, especially with a bad surrounding roster. And Lebron just missed the playoffs with a better, deeper team than they'll have this year, and will turn 35 in December.
We just saw what happens when you roll out the team with star power with no depth against a team which has fewer stars but just has more depth and quality minutes-getters. It was the 2019 NBA finals. The deep team that lacked star power absolutely flattened the team with three all-stars/HOF'ers but no depth.
Why does the Derrick Favors trade fall through?
We don't have the cap to just absorb Favors unless the LA trade goes first, because moving Solomon Hill to Atlanta is part of the Lakers deal and we need Hills cash to take Favors in.
Equally, Favors' contract becomes guaranteed on the 6th, meaning that Utah would not have the space to sign Bogdanovic anymore either.
I'm pretty sure Favors can extend that guaranteed date of the 6th. Other players have done it. I wouldn't stress.
Why would he? And even if he did, that would only help the Utah aspect of the trade: we still wouldn't be able to take him until Solomon Hill was officially off the books, and given that Atlanta has already moved him to Memphis for Parsons, their off-season would be further delayed, and also since Memphis is taking in Iguodala, it would impact their off-season too.
If LA really tried to push for this, it would completely alienate the executives of basically half a dozen different teams, as well as tick off a lot of agents (Bogdanovic being forced to wait to sign his guaranteed money contract so that... Los Angeles can get Kawhi Leonard? What?).
This isn't me ''stressing''. If I had any belief the Lakers could actually persuade Utah, Memphis, Atlanta, New Orleans, and Golden State to ALL halt their off-season plans to help LA, then sure, I'd be stressing. But I don't think that's going to even come close to happening.
Last edited by Pelicanidae; 07-05-2019 at 06:08 AM.
Lol. We don't live in Laker fantasy land.
The Davis trade has repercussions for multiple teams at this point. if the lakers try to pull a fast one, no one will ever trade with them again
I know. I was just giving an example of a reason that we WOULDN'T accept that push back. Why? Because if we did, then X bad thing would happen. Since we don't have to accept that pushback, there's no reason for us to do it.
Edit: I can see LA trying it though. Just can't imagine all other involved teams owuld allow it.
Last edited by Pelicanidae; 07-05-2019 at 08:16 AM.
No. They wouldn't even attempt it. There's too many teams involved. That would be a certain way for Pelinka to get black balled.
Are they going to risk losing AD too? Because if they try and play that game then Griff should burn the whole world down and refuse to trade AD to them. Let them have their fun with no team around Lebron.
Especially since all of these except for GSW are small market teams. I would think they're going to be less likely to want to give LA what it wants BECAUSE of who they are, than maybe another major market team like a Chicago, NYK, BKN or Houston.
You're implying that Pelinka wouldn't try and do something because it would be stupid for him to do so. Since when has something being absurd, stupid, pointless, and counter-productive ever stopped Pelinka from doing it?
I agree that they also have a lot to lose, which is why I don't imagine they'd go too hard after it, but you ahve to understand that while yes, they're screwed if we completely revoke the AD trade, they're also kinda screwed if Kawhi doesn't make his decision today. Cause they lose their max slot if he doesn't, and there's no way they're getting him to take a pay cut, and with so few players left on the market what choice do they have? We've been talking about how they're questionable as a playoff team with AD/Lebron/Kawhi + G Leaguers, what are they going to do with just Lebron/AD + G Leaguers, with Kawhi in a Clippers uniform?
Again, I don't think it will actually end up making a difference. I'm pretty sure that if Pelinka picks up the phone to ask Griff to delay the trade, Griff just says no and hangs up, and any attempt for Pelinka to change that will not help him further. But I just wouldn't be surprised if we got a leak in a week or two saying that Pelinka did make that call, or at least seriously contemplate it.
You don't risk losing a sure thing for the chance of possibly getting a player. It just won't happen. He won't go back on Griff and try and push the date. Not when it's been agreed upon this long and other deals have been made with the assurance that the trade was going through on the 6th.
If Kawhi doesn't make a decision today then that's the Lakers answer. Kawhi knows all this information. If he is serious about the Lakers then he will make the call today.
The Lakers / Pels trade will 100% happen on the 6th and Pelinka won't even be stupid enough to ask for a date push back.
The real question should be, if Kawhi doesn't make a decision today do the Lakers still do the Washington trade. I could actually see them having a contengency with the Wizards that if they strike out on a big free agent then they can back out of the trade. Even that though might be low odds.
You don't do a lot of things that Pelinka has been more than happy to do when you have a functioning brain. Pelinka doesn't.
But that's fine because even if he does ask, it won't change anything, so we can put that aside. It doesn't really matter.
For me, when it comes to the Wizards deal, I don't think it matters too much. That doesn't impact any of our return to my knowledge and even if LA does get guys like Mo Wagner back, it's not going to make them a much better team. They might actually be better off just signing vet minimums off the trash heap or pulling up G League stars, because even if you're high on Wagner (which I'm not), Isaac Bonga is worth only very slightly more than me in terms of NBA calibre players at this point in time.
Toronto aviation correspondent is reporting here that a Raptors private plane has just landed in San Diego on the 5th of Kawhi … but with NO confirmation of who is or isn't on board https://t.co/baw6xIgA3w
— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) July 5, 2019
Love Kawhi just doing laps of the country instead of making a decision
26 players had 150 unguarded catch-and-shoot jumpers or more last season.
— Hardwood Paroxysm (@HPbasketball) July 5, 2019
Kyle Kuzma was 26th in FG% among those players.
He was 90th out of 92 minimum 100.
Lakers better be praying they get Kawhi. If they don't, this is their third best player.
3rd Best is such mislead word. More like 5th worst.
Okay so, according to Bobby Marks, these are the best free agents left. I haven't included restricted free agents like Oubre, who we know will have their offers matched (that's why Phoenix cleared up space).
1) Kawhi Leonard
2) Demarcus Cousins
3) Danny Green
4) Marcus Morris
5) Delon Wright
6) JaMychal Green
7) Trey Lyles
8) Carmelo Anthony
9) Rajon Rondo
10) Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
11) Iman Shumpert
12) KCP
13) Javale McGee
14) Kenneth Faried
15) Nene
16) Joakim Noah
So, assuming they miss out on Kawhi Leonard, the best team I can assemble for LA out of those guys and what they already have is this:
PG: Rondo/Wright
SG: KCP/Shumpert
SF: Lebron/Kuzma
PF: AD/Morris/JaMychal
C: Boogie/McGee
...That's not a confident playoff team in the West. It could make it, depending on chemistry and other teams and stuff, but it's not a lock at all. That is a team of 11 men, and only 3 of them shot better than league average from 3 last season. There's the potential there for a solid defensive team, but it would require Lebron to commit on that end of the floor, which he wouldn't. There are no playmakers for others off the bench. It's a bad team.
When the Lakers lose max space because the trade goes in tomorrow >>> https://t.co/q7RynVRifZ
— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) July 5, 2019
it make sense for kawhi to sign a long deal because only he knows what his health is.....secure that long term contract because he know his body is breaking down i guess...
So at midnight tonight all they can give an unsigned Kawhi is 28 mil right?
I think its 12pm noon EDT. Lakers fans on Twitter are rationalizing everything now. "Does it have to be done by noon? Doesn't Kawhi have until 11:59pm on the 6th? Can't the Lakers just wait? Pels won't pull out, it would look bad for them. Just wait it out. etc, etc."
Its too funny.
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