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Brown is good. I just think you drastically underrate Lakers players. But that's like 40+ pages in here. No need to rehash all that. Most posters probably want us all to agree to disagree on that. I want that Memphis pick so hard. Tatum and that pick are my top two assets, IMO. Plus, it being a 2020 pick offsets our contracts slightly better than 3 picks this year.
An aside and maybe not for this thread, if KD opts in, can GS still sign Klay?
Good positive energy.
But also, yo mama's fat.
It's actually pretty impressive considering Brown's weakness when drafted was shooting. He was an athletic freak that played great D and could finish at the rim. Now he can actually shoot and will likely improve.Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
I agree. I’m just arguing for arguing sake at this point. Once a thing happens, my general approach to life is there is no point to arguing about the thing that didn’t happen. But yet here I am! Lol.
But still. Not trading AD was a risk. The worst case scenarios didn’t happen, and the best case scenario did. At this point, whether we get Kuzma and the 2020 or 21 pick as part of the trade will be irrelevant to some.
The entire next season is literally in an upheaval because of KD’s injury, the Celtics aren’t going all in for AD, and folks think I was wrong for wanting to trade him at the deadline and not assume extra risk by putting our future in AD’s ability to stay healthy and the whims of Kyrie Irving dictating the Celtics offseason.
If the lottery shakes out differently and we stayed at the 8th pick, I wonder how people would feel about things right now.
But whatever. Whoever thinks it was worth it to wait, I hope you keep that same energy when the deal is Lonzo/BI/2019 pick!
That would be poetic if it happens. They get a player that won't play at all next year and lose the other guy that makes them lethal because they are forced to keep the unhealthy guy.
Yeah, I think they can. They have his bird rights, right? So they could just throw a max at him without even really thinking about it, as long as they're willing to eat the ABSURD repeater tax.
Basketball.
Since theoretical probability is my thing. I'm just gonna kindly tell you simply drop it. It's dumb and pointless, because we are all talking about hypothetical.
The astronomical low odds that it simply took for us to get the 6th slot came down a tie and was won on a coin toss. We legit won the lottery with a coin toss over an absurd 82 game trek. That's 6724 different sequential sequences probability then times it by 30 teams. 201,270+1(The coin toss) different probabilities for a season worth of teams. If we put into minute to minute probability with injury likelihood. It blows up to the hundreds of millions in different outcomes.
Regardless... there is very little causality or relations in us holding out till now to trade AD or not. THE 6th SLOT WON THE LOTTO. We held on to AD. A dramatic sequence of events worked in our favor in the FIRST YEAR of a new Lottery Odds. The rest is history.
So, if we end up with a worse deal. Then, yes... We should of did the trade at the deadline, because Zion is such little causality takes over 200,000 sequential events to win the lottery. NOT JUST ONE. ALL we had to do is win the 6th slot to win the lottery. Which we didn't even do.
So, can we stop arguing about the stupid deadline trade. It's dumb and stop pretending that it was the ONE move that got us Zion. It's not. Not remotely close. Lets not pretend taking that deal would of been better anyways. We'd be pretty miserable with no 4th pick to bargain with..
So, chill
I live in the reality of what actually happened. Not the strawman world of make believe like you.
And to be clear: Ball, Ingram, #4 is just as good as Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, #12 (or higher if they had AD). It's probably better. We lost NOTHING from the Lakers offer by waiting.
Keep grasping at straws....man.
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Lowe: "Everything I have heard, Boston is not afraid of Rich Paul coming out again in Sports Illustrated and saying 'they can trade for him and it's just going to only be for a year.' I don't see a way that Boston can get {Anthony Davis} without trading Jayson Tatum." https://t.co/Wcgw5C8clX
— Oleh Kosel (@OlehKosel) June 13, 2019
NM already admitted he's just arguing for the sake of it. Lol
Yep. I'd take that and run.
Am I hating on Memphis too much for next season? I think Ja will have a shaky first season and without Conley.....mmmmmm.
I really don’t care what was offered in February, who was right or wrong about any of it. I only care about extracting the best possible package of players and picks from whoever Griffin trades AD to. It could be any of the teams that have expressed interest in AD as long as it’s the best deal, even the Lakers. I just can’t envision a realistic scenario that moves AD to the Lakers without a third or fourth team involved.
FEED ME ALL OF IT
This people here are talking like there's more on the table from waiting not less. Winning Williamson makes everything we get lagniappe, but let's not act like the Lakers didn't offer us every young player and picks. Hell even the Knicks were offering us every young player they have and picks. Waiting appears to have lessen our offer from the three front runners.
Where was this reported? Link?
John Calipari said it
https://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...ari-1.32299396
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This is 1000% correct.
And those who think it’s stupid that we’re arguing about whether or not we should have done a deal before the deadline, are also 1000% correct.
Because we got Zion, I wouldn’t change anything we did. It’s also true that we may get less from the Lakers than what they reportedly offered at the deadline.
The Celtics offer ain’t walking through that door...
But you guys were right. Cause we got Zion. That’s indisputable.
Yeah now that Calipari has weighed in the Knicks could be back in the card game
https://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...ari-1.32299396
Thing is if we did any trade we most likely would have had a better record along with whomever got a motivated AD. Both our pick and their pick would be worse than if we kept and minimally played a dissatisfied AD. I’m not talking getting Zion but I could see us picking 12 and Lakers picking 14 for instance if we had traded.
We knew that if we waited both picks would be better. Plus we did not know who would be getting Zion and could wait to target them.
Steve Bulpett with the update from Boston. Kyrie has not removed the Celtics from consideration. Boston is going after AD:
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06...alks-continue/According to multiple league sources, Irving still has not removed the Celtics from consideration as he contemplates where to sign as a free agent, though the assumption around the NBA was he was looking to go elsewhere to join up with another marquee free agent. That concept was placed in some measure of doubt when Kevin Durant — the most prominent of the potential 2019 free agents — suffered a ruptured Achilles’ tendon in Game 5 of the NBA Finals Monday night.
There still is no definitive word on whether that situation will change Irving’s thinking, or if a successful Celtics pursuit of Davis could increase the chances Irving stays in Boston.
As has been the case all along, it’s fair to think the Celts clearly would like to have more solid information from Irving on his plans so they can more properly formulate their own procedures moving forward.
For example, knowing what Irving will do could impact what the Celtics offer for Davis. At this point, however, sources continue to indicate the club is intent on trying to secure him no matter what else transpires — and regardless of statements that, if acquired, Davis will not re-sign with the Celtics when he can become a free agent in 2020, a sentiment most recently expressed in comments by his agent to Sports Illustrated.
Oh look, it's Bulpett, an actually good reporter. Bout time we heard from him or Heinsohn instead of Kyler again.
"Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports reported the Knicks were among the teams preparing to make New Orleans an offer in the aftermath of that news, and he pointed to Porzingis, Kevin Knox and the potential No. 1 overall pick in the 2019 draft as possible trade chips. However, the Pelicans clearly didn't value Porzingis enough to pull the trigger on any deal."
I don't know how to copy and paste links on my phone. But this was the original rumored deal for Davis. Porzingis let it be known he wouldn't re-sign with Pelicans. So the Knicks traded him to Dallas.
Is Kyrie not pleased with Stevens as a coach? Not familiar on why people think he was so set on leaving the Celtics like they have the plague.
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Because he took the blame for them doing worse than last year.
That's a far cry from, "the Knicks were offering us every young player they have and picks."
That's not what that said AT ALL. Nowhere does it say anything remotely about, "the Knicks were offering us every young player they have and picks."
I missed Calipari being hired by the Knicks.
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