Had heard that Porter was taking less because he's content after his max deal. Just wants to chill and play on a contender and not have to be a focal point. Not a bad lifeQuote:
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08-03-2021, 10:01 AMpelafanatic
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08-03-2021, 10:02 AMluigi modeloAnd as Dae mentioned earlier in this thread, we probably used the protected first to keep Charlotte from matching. It seems fair to me and if he were in next years draft, he would definitely be a good get after the 14th pick. I'm ok adding the protected 1st.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 10:04 AMpelafanaticBoth to keep Charlotte from matching and to participate in/facilitate what I assume will eventually be a 3 team deal. You're paying Charlotte to be willing participants.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 10:12 AMbradaelI think it's exactly this. If Zion and Ingram are who people assume they are, and if you think they can co-exist, then you build complementary pieces around them that allow them to be better. Trey Murphy is a perfect example. Low usage player that doesn't need the ball in his hands but is an elite 3 point shooter. Of course that assumes his game translates to the NBA with bigger and more athletic players guarding him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snarly
You could also make the argument that outside of Kyle Lowry and maybe Westbrook, the next best player that changed teams so far this offseason was Jonas Valenciunas. Ja Morant is the more skilled player, and will be better very soon, but JV was far more important to them being in playoff contention the last two years. My only question is how he fits with Zion and Ingram considering he has a much higher usage than Adams. Though the difference can easily be minimized by Zion and Ingram getting more assists off him than they would from Adams. -
08-03-2021, 10:18 AMWeatherNLU
My first reaction was we got hosed for Lonzo. That was just reading the deal and not really putting things into perspective. We tried Zo, BI and Zion. It definitely did not work. There was a no way we could pay Zo $21M plus per year. I did not want him back for that, and our FO obviously did not either, so they got the scraps they could get. I think all of that has a likelihood of being flipped. I really like Graham for half the price at PG. He can get the job done along with Kira. I wish we had not given up another first but we did what we had to do. This team almost has to make the playoffs (even as a 6-8 seed) this year or it's big trouble anyway so hopefully it's a pick in the late teens or early 20s.
We retain flexibility cap wise and I honestly think we are better with Graham/JV than we were with Zo/Adams. I would love to keep Josh Hart because he always acted like he wanted to be here but I see the value in him and that he may be used to recoup a pick. That said, I think we are a better team with the additions (including Murphy) and we can add another guy. I am not sure DeRozan is the answer but we may be the only team (along with possibly Charlotte) that can do something like that without a S/T. We have options and I like where we are. Just took me a little while to see it. -
08-03-2021, 10:25 AMpelafanatic
Rudy Gay is signing a two-year, $12.1M deal with the Jazz, with a player option, his agents Raymond Brothers and Sam Permut said. https://t.co/yWjQ9HzQNy
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 3, 2021
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08-03-2021, 10:34 AMPELICANSFANIngles would be a nice pickup as long as we do not have to give up any 1sts. Maybe a couple of 2nds?Quote:
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08-03-2021, 10:35 AMpelafanatic
The Jazz are currently 13.6 million above the luxury tax. Joe Ingles contract is 13 million. Could save themselves a ton of money by sending Ingles to the Pels, and could still sign to the Rudy Gay taxpayer MLE. Same could be said for Hart and Bogdanovich if Hart signs for roughly 10 million.
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08-03-2021, 10:37 AMTaker597
I think Jazz will pay the Tax. Don't get your hopes up.
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08-03-2021, 10:48 AMRaisingTheBar
Just get me Derozan or Buddy, DG, and all is forgiven.
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08-03-2021, 10:54 AMPELICANSFAN
Gotta think Buddy's contract may be too much for Griffin to swallow. Could we be looking to move Satoransky for Dragic? Or trying to pry Ingles away from Utah? Personally, not sure Dragic would be worth the extra $9+ million in salary over Satoransky, but who knows?
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08-03-2021, 10:56 AMpelafanaticThey would still be paying the tax regardless, but is Ingles or Bojan worth an extra $25 million in tax when they can replace Bojan for Hart and only pay $1 million in taxQuote:
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08-03-2021, 10:57 AMPELSGIRLYeah, I have a feeling this is being worked on today or maybe that's my hope. Griff has to use Hart and Sato in trades now.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 10:59 AMPELSGIRLI believe Dragic resigned w/ Miami but maybe we can get Brogdon.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 10:59 AMpelafanaticWarriors were the other team rumored to be interested in Ingles and Bojan, and they just signed Bjelica. The Jazz guys are obviously better, but the skillsets are redundant with BjelicaQuote:
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08-03-2021, 11:04 AMPELICANSFANHe was part of the S&T to Toronto for Lowry, so he could be re-routed. Rumors have been that he was going to go to the Mavs, but Pels have been mentioned as having interest.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 11:07 AMPELSGIRLOh, gotcha.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 11:09 AMTaker597That’s the price you pay to be a contender. If you're afraid to pay. Why even bother owning an NBA team? Seems like contending teams have zero issues with going all in and paying the tax the last few years. You got GSW and BKN paying $100 million as tax teams. $25 million isn't a lot to NBA owners anymore. These are billionaires...Quote:
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08-03-2021, 11:15 AMTaker597
Which is starting to worry me, because I know we don't bring in FA. This offseason... It seems just very odd for an exciting young squad with a really exciting new head coach to have so little interest.
I think Griff backstabbing, micromanaging, and throwing so many Vets/coaches under the bus on top of NOLA becoming a Vet graveyard has made what is already a super tough sell for FA seem like "Avoid at all Cost" for any FA.
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08-03-2021, 11:16 AMPELICANSFANThe tax is such a joke. There should not be a tax. All teams should operate under the same cap. The tax is just a way for the "haves" to send money to the "have nots" to keep them happy while the "haves" compete for championships.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 11:18 AMLee2000At this point in time this sounds more like a conspiracy theory than an actual plan the Pelicans have. Have any of you heard anything about an expanded trade. If that is the plan it is a well kept secret. And as he correctly pointed out giving up a first in the Graham trade was reprehensible.Quote:
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08-03-2021, 11:20 AMLee2000
Any of you hearing anything about an expanded trade tying in Memphis?
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08-03-2021, 11:24 AMPELICANSFANThere has been a lot of speculation, mainly by locals. Given that we would likely want to remain over the cap, I can see another trade being lumped in (unless Hart signs for say $10 million or more a year).Quote:
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08-03-2021, 11:28 AMHornetGuru
Do not want derozan, can’t hit the 3. We already have a secondary scorer in Ingram. Ingles and Barnes would be fantastic fits though.
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08-03-2021, 11:31 AMPELICANSFAN
James Johnson signed with Nets.